Pokemon v.s. Final Fantasy, with less speculation!

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I'm using logic here. You seem to ignore my points, you are not even replying to them, you're repeating yourself. What? It wasn't you who called the Anime inaccurate? That isn't the authority on Pokemon too? Or the Anime is non-canon?

I don't get it. I can understand though, that the only argument you have to back those claims, is that the game was before the Anime, therefore that Pokedex is evidence. That's all you've got to cover your argument. You can't back the claim that Machamp can move mountains with his arm, you simply can't. Because that never happened even in the games. Or you can see a Machamp moving a mountain at some part of the games?

I never said that. But you can't show he can do it, that's the point. You don't know how he can do it either. Plus, you lack evidence, simple as that.

Explain why you believe the game is more accurate when you don't even have evidence should be the main question. You surely say the Anime is inaccurate, because we can't see Machamp moving mountains, right? But we can't see Machamp moving mountains in the games either. Th Anime shows how they fight, the game doesn't, not even a bit.

Yes what?

Really? Well show me a Charizard melting a glacier, then. The Pokedex also says he can melt rocks, but that's already backed up with a video. So I can't argue against that. You're a Pokemon fan-boy? Oh, that's cool. But please, try to be rational even if you're a fan-boy.

Inaccurate information, you mean. Because we have nothing to rely on. Just in some vague descriptions like I said. That can't be backed up with any sort of evidence whatsoever. Don't misunderstand, I'm not disagreeing with 'canon', I'm just using logic to analyse canon. I have doubts, you know?

Then you're making things up. I guess I have checked and it doesn't says Caterpie is harder than steel. The game disagrees with you.
The logical reasoning here would be, if Caterpie can take a blast from Blastoise's water cannons, then he's not harder than steel.

You haven't really said anything that needs to be. The anime is canon, but it tends to portray much weaker versions of the top tier Pokemon like Charizard. It also seems to overpower things like, say, Turtwig. Gardenia's anime Turtwig was incredible. Game Turtwig are not, despite being incredibly cool.

It doesn't need backing. It's a Pokedex quote. The sooner you understand this, the better.

Actually it's more or less what you said. Perhaps not your intention.

Because the Games do not fluctuate wildly in strength of Pokemon like the anime, in addition to being produced before the anime.

Yes to what you asked.

I can't show you that. Want to know why? Because the anime has a tendency to decrease the power of certain Pokemon while godtiering others which are normally much weaker. I was also wondering how long it would take you to play the fanboy card. Perhaps I should throw one right back at you.

No, I mean accurate information. You see, I don't need to be corrected when I'm not wrong.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The anime is just as much canon, but it tends to portray much weaker versions of the top tier Pokemon like Charizard. It also seems to overpower things like, say, Turtwig. Gardenia's anime Turtwig was incredible. Game Turtwig are not, despite being incredibly cool.

But how do you know Charizard is weaker in the Anime? How can you compare the Charizard from the game with the one from the Anime? I bet it does the same in those battles. It seems you are having problems in understanding my point. You said Charizard can melt glaciers, but he did it or not? It doesn't matter if it's a game, they can make Charizard to melt a glacier if they want. But that's what I need to know. You said they can't do it outside battles. Then Charizard can melt glaciers inside a battle? 😕

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It doesn't need backing. It's a Pokedex quote. The sooner you understand this, the better.

Actually it's more or less what you said. Perhaps not your intention.

You aren't saying anything new here... The one that needs to understand is you not me. You lack evidence, my friend. Don't you see is inconsistent? Machamp can move mountains with his arm, you said they can't do all of that outside battles, therefore Machamp can move mountains inside a battle. So he can throw mountains to his opponents inside battles or something?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Because the Games do not fluctuate wildly in strength of Pokemon like the anime, in addition to being produced before the anime.

Yes to what you asked.

Being produced before means nothing, as you admitted both are source of canon. You would be right if the Anime were an spin-off which is not. I said the Anime have more showings, is logical, can be backed up and it is not inconsistent as these descriptions are. But that's okay... It's hard to make a fan-boy to understand. If you could read well what I'm writting you'll realize I'm not trying to change your mind, I just want you to understand me. This topic will continue, I don't want to change any rules, please, don't worry.

Be gentle and refresh my memory, I don't remember what I have asked at this point.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I can't show you that. Want to know why? Because the anime has a tendency to decrease the power of certain Pokemon while godtiering others which are normally much weaker. I was also wondering how long it would take you to play the fanboy card. Perhaps I should throw one right back at you.

No, I mean accurate information. You see, I don't need to be corrected when I'm not wrong.

And the game has tendency to exaggerate their powers, I have already explained it though. If we follow the logic that the game was before the Anime, thus is more important, then we'll have to delete all the other games that came after the Anime since they came after, that's illogical, you admitted both are source of canon. All of what you can see in the Anime does NOT need to be backed up. What's a fan-boy card?

Without evidence and inconsistent.
I didn't said you were wrong though... 😐 The whole thing it doesn't fit.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Machamp#Game_data
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blastoise_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Game_data

This is Pokedex data. Because the Pokedex is the official game source, it is FACT, and nothing you, I, or anyone says can change this. Blastoise can shoot through steel. This is fact, and doesn't have to be backed up, for the simple reason that that the Pokedex itself backs it up by stating FACTS. The Pokedex lists the feat, so the Pokedex is the feat.

It's really quite simple: If the Game Pokedex says it, it is true. That's it, no more, no less. The anime can be used for other feats, but if it contradicts the Game Pokedex, the Game Pokedex takes precedence.

Originally posted by The Scenario
The anime can be used for other feats, but if it contradicts the Game Pokedex, the Game Pokedex takes precedence.

How come you have the authority to decide what takes priority here? Aren't both sources of canon? I have been accused of 'judge', but I don't have authority over anything that isn't mine. Unless this was already stated by the creators that the: 'games' takes priority over the Anime. Or unless is a rule already established by the one that made this thread (Although that doesn't contradict what the creators could say anyway). If that's the case, my apologies.

the original source ALWAYS takes precedence - that its the rule of canon 😬

Originally posted by MadMel
the original source ALWAYS takes precedence - that its the rule of canon 😬

Rule of canon? And where are the rules of canon?
Aren't both sources original? Aren't both canon? I know we gotta use elements from games and not from Anime to debate here, but that does not mean the games takes priorities unless the creators states such thing. What the creators says about their work is a rule of canon.

what i meant, was whichever came first - the games or the anime - takes precedence 😬

Originally posted by MadMel
what i meant, was whichever came first - the games or the anime - takes precedence 😬

But not priorities, unless the creators... You know the story.

i used to go to the star wars vs all the time
trust, me, i could recite 'the story' backwards, upside down and in german, while on fire 😬

the highest form of canon is of course, the creators
then the creations
then the spinoffs who's story is supervised by the creators

i would say the anime falls into the 3rd category 😬

Originally posted by MadMel
i used to go to the star wars vs all the time
trust, me, i could recite 'the story' backwards, upside down and in german, while on fire 😬

the highest form of canon is of course, the creators
then the creations
then the spinoffs who's story is supervised by the creators

i would say the anime falls into the 3rd category 😬

Hmm.... Category? Well, I would say it falls into the first one. The creators. Unless you provide evidence that the Anime is an spin-off, of course.

the anime was a show who's story was supervised by the creators..
therefor, the anime can be called a spinoff of the game series..

Originally posted by MadMel
the anime was a show who's story was supervised by the creators..
therefor, the anime can be called a spinoff of the game series..

Keep repeating yourself or provide what is called: Proof.

the proof is in the testimony 😛
however -
4kids and tv tokyo were responsible for the production of the anime series, and it was directed by Kunihiko Yuyama
nintendo was barely involved 😬

edit - this canon debate is pointless imo

ultimecia storms the field with time stoppage (not the same as time compression) and great attractor

On this 'Caterpie can take a blast from Blastoise's water cannons'' and not die. Isnt it the same as the Caterpie not being killed by Charizards fire? 50C flames would kill it, Zards, as the Dex and anime have stated are well over 1000C.

Originally posted by MadMel
the proof is in the testimony 😛

A testimony can be either fallacious or invalid, ya know?
Evidence is what matters here. 😉

Originally posted by MadMel
4kids and tv tokyo were responsible for the production of the anime series, and it was directed by Kunihiko Yuyama

Incorrect.
The Anime was written by Satoshi Tajiri, Pokemon's creator and the maximum authority over the series.
4Kids and TV Tokyo are companies that, OBVIOUSLY, helped to develop the Anime.

Originally posted by MadMel
nintendo was barely involved erm

I didn't know Nintendo was a company that produced Anime series.
Maybe that's the reason they are 'barely' involved, don't you think? It's like pretending TV Tokyo developing and releasing videogames.
I am sorry, Pokemon the Anime, isn't an spin-off, it's pretty much canon like the games, if not more. If you wish, instead, I could name some games that ARE spin-offs to both. The Bulbapedia or whatever is called have a list involving these spin-offs. 🙂

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
A testimony can be either fallacious or invalid, ya know?
Evidence is what matters here. 😉

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Incorrect.
The Anime was written by Satoshi Tajiri, Pokemon's creator and the maximum authority over the series.
4Kids and TV Tokyo are companies that, OBVIOUSLY, helped to develop the Anime.

nah jk - had no idea the writer was satoshi, i thought it was actually one of his juniors..

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I didn't know Nintendo was a company that produced Anime series.
Maybe that's the reason they are 'barely' involved, don't you think? It's like pretending TV Tokyo developing and releasing videogames.
I am sorry, Pokemon the Anime, isn't an spin-off, it's pretty much canon like the games, if not more. If you wish, instead, I could name some games that ARE spin-offs to both. The Bulbapedia or whatever is called have a list involving these spin-offs. 🙂

anyways - like i said - irrelevant 😬

Originally posted by MadMel
testimony is always crucial to the law - just read the quote below my sig 😉

So this is a political debate or something?
I don't care what you signature says, I care about evidence. If you can't provide any, then I'm afraid your opinions are irrelevant.

Originally posted by MadMel
so........basically you [b]FIXED what i just said, and added a tiny bit more....bravo..[/B]

Fixed again. 👆

Originally posted by MadMel
nah jk - had no idea the writer was satoshi, i thought it was actually one of his juniors...

Well, you know now.

Originally posted by MadMel
i said 'barely involved', because they did in fact take part in the distribution of the first 3 movies stick out tongue

anyways - like i said - irrelevant erm

Distribution isn't the same as developing.
You know the rest of the story.

Maybe it is. The one who brought up the topic about it was you though. 😕

Let's drop it, then.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Fixed again. 👆

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Maybe it is. The one who brought up the topic about it was you though. 😕

whatever - dropped - lets say no more before we get our asses kicked for being off topic..

Originally posted by MadMel
f*ck off 😛
i said they produced it, which is also what you said, albeit in a slightly different way - thats not fixing it..

What you said:

Originally posted by MadMel
4kids and tv tokyo were responsible for the production of the anime series, and it was directed by Kunihiko Yuyama

What I said:

Originally posted by Me
Incorrect.
The Anime was written by Satoshi Tajiri, Pokemon's creator and the maximum authority over the series.
4Kids and TV Tokyo are companies that, OBVIOUSLY, helped to develop the Anime.

Originally posted by MadMel
thats not fixing it..

Satoshi Tajiri disagrees. 😄
Plus, search 4kids in the Bulbapedia for more information.

Originally posted by MadMel
no it wasnt, i just starting bitching about it, trying to end the pointless ranting because, like i said............................irrelevant stick out tongue

whatever - dropped - lets say no more before we get our asses kicked for being off topic..

Bitching? You tried to end it against me, that's the difference, mate. So I had to take action. Nothing personal... 🙁

👆

4kids is the devil.