Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The English professor that corrected that sentence for me says I am correct. My sentence isn't confusing, neither is the other one.Nah. It just means that they don't get blocked or conventionally dodged. To actually dodge it you'd have to get to a distance in which you cannot counterattack. Or you can but they can't. Hitting with Flail via No Guard though is a gameplay mechanic. As long as they are still underground anyway.
It is fact until proven otherwise, which it has not been.
Like I said, she was already facing that way, and they won't try to shoot her from behind through her gigantic chair. Even if she didn't know where it was, she backed herself up against a wall and defended in front, the only possible area she could be attacked from.
She wouldn't have to be waving, the sniper would only have to think she was.
I'm going to go with Screams lead here and tell you to prove that claim. I myself can prove mine, a third of the way down this page and again on the next. As you can see, three people disagreed with you. And the only reason your sentence isn't confusing is becuase its impossible to take the sentence any other way. In the case of other sentences in which two or more meanings can be made from it, like say, the very one we're arguing, you would need to indicate which one you mean to use. Since that was not done, we can only take it as it actually is: Indicating that the punch and just the punch is sped up.
Nope. There are circumstances in which it would be impossible for that ability to work outside of gameplay, proving that it is exclusive to gameplay and nothing else.
Actually, I believe the phrase is, 'Innocent until proven guilty'. You have't proven that Machamp would be anything but a fat guy running at her and you haven't even begun to.
No she wasn't, the last time we see her she's facing the exact opposite way, and as has been said by others after the shot shes seen facing their exact direction, looking exactly at them, with her hand exactly pointed at them. Unless you think it was just blind luck (which is not an argument) there is no other explanation. Oh and she couldn't have heard them over the crowd.
Maybe, except that Irvine isn't retarded.
Doesn't even really matter, now that I think about it, why is Machamp gong after Ultimecia other than because people tried to argue he wasnt a threat to her? (He certainly is.) Machamp is no glass cannon, dude can take a hit, and an icicle isn't gonna do anything to him.
Prove it
If Ultimecia stops time, her entire team is stopped, and she's left unable to cause significant harm.
Siefer was unaffected, her team will be too. And she could do alot more than 'signifiacant harm'.
Machamp is a physical powerhouse which the FF8 team cannot overcome,
Zell alone punches his face off.
Blastoise can use it's jets to move quickly, and Zard has been seen keeping up with a legendary pokemon so fast it can run on water.
Prove it.
Alakazam is the fastest one here.
BS. Base Vincent alone makes him look like a baby on sleeping pills.
He is so fast, that as a baby (Abra) in his sleep, he can teleport so quickly he appears to have made several individual copies of himself.
Thats Abra. What can Alakazam do?
He can confuse Ultimecia,
Reflect.
while TKing Vincent
No he can't.
who Blastoise can shoost.
Protect.
Tyranitar, another physical power house, just getting close to him is dangerous to the FF party. He simply will not go down, no matter what they throw at him.
Prove it.
edit: And jsut so you know teh FF team don't need to kill them to win, as Scream himself taught me. They just need to faint, which we know for a fact they do more often and easier than a 18th century bachelorette. Hope the pokeymons brought some smellin' salt.
I'll agree with those fellows when they have an English degree and have taught at the college level for nearly thirty years.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nope. There are circumstances in which it would be impossible for that ability to work outside of gameplay, proving that it is exclusive to gameplay and nothing else.
Point being? Ultimecia is not a situation in which No Guard would not take effect.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually, I believe the phrase is, 'Innocent until proven guilty'. You have't proven that Machamp would be anything but a fat guy running at her and you haven't even begun to.
I don't know many fat guys that send train cars flying with punches, or can move a mountain with one arm. Or fat guys with bullet speed, either.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No she wasn't, the last time we see her she's facing the exact opposite way, and as has been said by others after the shot shes seen facing their exact direction, looking exactly at them, with her hand exactly pointed at them. Unless you think it was just blind luck (which is not an argument) there is no other explanation. Oh and she couldn't have heard them over the crowd.
Apparently that entire scene was ****ed up. As she is actually facing the reverse direction after the bullet hits, or it was that Squall somehow magically ran at her from the opposite direction.
I didn't hear any crowd, lol.
Even if she wasn't protected from all sides, we never saw her move. You cannot fairly say that she reacted to it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Maybe, except that Irvine isn't retarded.
You don't have to be retarded to make a mistake.
Re: Pokemon v.s. Final Fantasy, with less speculation!
Originally posted by ScreamPasteYou and I have had a brief discussion on this topic and I have already told you what would happen.
So, my last thread on this was a resounding PHAILURE. It devolved into a bunch of theorybane sorrounding several universe destroying beings, while everyone else became useless. This thread will be aimed at the lower tier characters of either franchise, and as such will contain less speculation, and more ass kicking.TEAMS!
Team POGEYMAWN
1. Machamp
2. Charizard
3. Blastoise
4. Tyranitar
5. AlakazamTeam FINAL FANTASY
1. Cloud
2. Vincent
3. Squall
4. Zell
5. Ultimecia, no time compression.
Pokemon team will stomp, effortlessly and without worry of any real retaliation. Tyranitar alone would solo this thread.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Pokemon Hunter J has a wrist blaster that turns things into Stone.
Too bad she's just a freaking weak human.
Sin, you listed all of that crap like it means FF > Pokemon. Pokemon has just as many, if not more options.
FF > Pokemon
Pokemon moves suck compared to FF. Only a handful stand out.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Doesn't even really matter, now that I think about it, why is Machamp gong after Ultimecia other than because people tried to argue he wasnt a threat to her? (He certainly is.) Machamp is no glass cannon, dude can take a hit, and an icicle isn't gonna do anything to him. 😐 If Ultimecia stops time, her entire team is stopped, and she's left unable to cause significant harm.
Dammit, go play FF8! Ultimecia is the biggest threat in the thread. Her team gets frozen? So what? By the time she's finished, team FF will be staring at the mangled corpses of the Pokemon, assuming there's anything left of them.
Unlike most FF attacks, pokemon attacks have the pokedex and in game events to back them up. 😐 Like an angry gyarados creating a massive crater which filled with water and becoming a lake. Where as something like Omnislash, Final Heaven, Great attractor, have only battle animations. To claim Thundaga, or Firaga, are superior to pokemon moves without evidence is pure bias. This is directed at Sin.
That doesn't make them invincible. Gyarados still goes out in one electric attack that doesn't even kill. Omnislash killed the biggest threat in FF7 twice. Final Heaven, Great Attractor, are just as featless as most Pokemon moves are. Show me any fire and electric move that's better than Thundaga and Firaga.
Machamp is a physical powerhouse which the FF8 team cannot overcome,
Machamp gets KO'd with a Drill Peck. Squall or Zell can just use Tornado and end it with Flare, Ultima, or Apocalypse.
Zard and Blastoise have ranged elemental attacks witch destructive power that puts firaga and thundaga to shame.
Charizard and Blastoise get downed by Thundaga. A ruby dragon in FF8 is deadlier than both of them. In a matter of fact, I'd even say the dragon can take them both out at once.
Blastoise can use it's jets to move quickly,
It's only dashing in a straight line and will be vulnerable when it stops.
and Zard has been seen keeping up with a legendary pokemon so fast it can run on water. This was a wimpy Zard, with a trainer riding it.
Someone's using anime again? Charizard was beat by a Poliwrath's ice beam and that's weaker than Blizzaga. Ultimecia beats Charizard easily.
They aren't slow.
They're not fast enough or good enough to survive FF.
Alakazam is the fastest one here. He is so fast, that as a baby (Abra) in his sleep, he can teleport so quickly he appears to have made several individual copies of himself. He has many moves which can stop status, buff his team, block attacks, or just plain old fashioned kick ass. He can confuse Ultimecia, while TKing Vincent, who Blastoise can shoost.
Ultimecia is immune to confusion. She kills Alakazam easily.
Tyranitar, another physical power house, just getting close to him is dangerous to the FF party. He simply will not go down, no matter what they throw at him. 😐
Tyranitar was killed by men armed with rocket launchers. He's doing down by Zell's fists (rock and dark are weak against fighting types).
Zard and Blastiose's fire and water attacks are strong as hell, if you go by what the pokedex says about them, but it wouldn't matter with reflect.
If Blastiose's cannon's can shoot out water and pierce through thick steel, then when it gets fired back at him it should pierce though his body too. I don't think a turtle shell is stronger than steel.
Same with Zard... if it's fire is hot enough to melt any known substance (don't remember exactly how it was stated), then shouldn't it melt Charzard as soon as it gets fired back at him?
Even w/o reflect, one or two Thundaga spells would take them both out.
Machamp is a beast, but he can be taken out with a tornado spell.... same with Tryannitar via fighting moves.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
What more do I need? Cage doors locked, trapping her in a specific area and tipping her off that something is about to happen. She is underneath a big arch, attacks from the left and right sides don't happen. Behind her is her chair, which no sniper in their right mind would try to shoot through. So she blocked off the only possible direction she could be attacked from.There isn't any proof that she reacted to it, either. Unlike the Midna scenario, we don't see Ultimecia move. Her arm is already up when the bullet hits her shield.
Then there's that other crap that may or may not assist this point. Squall and Irving are on that roof, shouting. If she were only 200 feet away, she could probably hear them. Since she is suspicious something is going to happen, she may have spotted them while Irving was screwing around.
Yes, however, my point is, that you don't have evidence that she already put the field before the shot and that she already had her arm up. That's purely speculation from your part. Also, how she knew she was about to get SPECIFICALLY shoot? The only logical explanation is that when she simply heard the shot, she reacted raising her hand and putting the field, even if the shot came from the front (which by the way is a bit toward her head). And what you suggest about Irvine, is completely impossible, if she knew about Irvine and was watching him, also Irvine could have known that she was watching him, he wouldn't have shot, duh. Sorry, but you're suggesting a bunch of incoherent and imaginative situations.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've always thought both can be a decent source, but the Anime won't override the Games. It is inconsistent with a lot, but it shows some things okay. Then there's stuff that's "wtf..." Like Thunder armor.
Hmm... Thunder Armor seems like a skill that only Pikachu and Swellow can perform, just them. It's like a double attack or combined attack. It is not a bad idea, they wanted them to perform an attack together, something you can't do in the game, I guess.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
No two Pokemon are alike. But that doesn't explain everything. Like why Brock's Happiny is uberstrong. I could go for this. But when we're using a Pokemon that isn't specific we assume it is a generic Pokemon with normal abilities for its species. Happiny is relatively useless. Brock's Happiny is not. But Brock's Happiny also does not originate in a game, so we likely will never use specific Pokemon, unless it is something like Red's Snorlax.
Well, but Brock's Pokemons are also main characters, so that's a logical reason, their Pokemons are special. Even if that Happiny is strong, Charizard would kick his head! 😄 Who cares if that Pokemon can lift rocks? Most Pokemons can do that and a lot more.
For example, Ash's Pikachu is REALLY strong, is the more experienced Pokemon he have, hell, he have it been since the first episode. Obvious that he's a very strong Pikachu and experienced in battle, more than most Pikachus.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The only reason it isn't in the games though, is because it simply can't be. It'd screw with the entire structure of it if I could put Pallet town out in the middle of the Lake of Rage. Same thing if I could flatten Mt. Silver or Mt. Moon and sink Cinnabar Island.
Yep. But it isn't in the Anime either... They surely don't considered that as legit canon nor accurate representations of his abilities. They don't even made a ret-con. Even if they put it as a description in a game, is obvious that is hyperbole, Machamp is very strong, but that's clearly exaggerated. There are a lot of Pokemons that are far more strong and they can't move mountains. There are a lot of Pokemons that aren't strong as Machamp and still can defeat him. Do you really think that Machamp dealing 1,000 punches in 2 seconds is accurate and it isn't exaggerated...? Come on, man...
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It's a Grotle. It's speed is only like...base 30 I think. The move it used is Rock Climb. I could excuse it while he was on the rock wall, but then he used it to rocket hundreds of feet into the air. That's a no-no.
I guess I should check that Pokemon and his abilities. Damn, I haven't watched those new seasons... I hate when they introduce new characters... I was used to like May and now I have to get used to this girl named Dawn? Lol. At least Brock remains... I miss Misty, she's the best. Also Gary he was cool. I see... Maybe that's a more strong version of the same attack?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
With some things.Not all of those examples are comical. Like Ash's Chimchar somehow having the ability to fall to the ground whenever it chooses to. Bulbapedia treats all three sources of Pokemon Canon as separate entities. They don't even bother trying to mix them. We've been bothering.
An Electric attack sends electricity through the Pokemon. no expression At least, Thunderbolt does. It doesn't matter if they enjoyed it. It shouldn't have been able to happen at all.
Bull shit
Yeah I know. But, look at Pikachu, he sometimes performs his Attack Trueno (Spanish version, lol) Thunderbolt on Ash and that's comical. But If I remember correctly, in some of the first episodes of the whole series, Pikachu was sick or something and Ash had to carry him, in those moments Pikachu was releasing powerful Thunderbolts and many of them actually hits Ash, and believe me, Ash was really suffering from those attacks... He could have died. Sometimes they make it serious and sometimes comical. It depends the scenes. If we go with logic, then the Team Rocket is dead from the first episode, lol.
The point is that they DIDN'T enjoyed being charged up... 😕
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Yes, however, my point is, that you don't have evidence that she already put the field before the shot and that she already had her arm up. That's purely speculation from your part. Also, how she knew she was about to get SPECIFICALLY shoot? The only logical explanation is that when she simply heard the shot, she reacted raising her hand and putting the field, even if the shot came from the front (which by the way is a bit toward her head). And what you suggest about Irvine, is completely impossible, if she knew about Irvine and was watching him, also Irvine could have known that she was watching him, he wouldn't have shot, duh. Sorry, but you're suggesting a bunch of incoherent and imaginative situations.
It is purely speculation on your part that she reacted to the bullet. She doesn't have to know she was going to be shot, just attacked in some way. I really don't think it would have been possible for her to hear the shot first were it at real sniper bullet speed, but I'd have to check numbers which I won't do.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Hmm... Thunder Armor seems like a skill that only Pikachu and Swellow can perform, just them. It's like a double attack or combined attack. It is not a bad idea, they wanted them to perform an attack together, something you can't do in the game, I guess.
Doesn't change the fact that it's PIS and should not have been able to happen.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Well, but Brock's Pokemons are also main characters, so that's a logical reason, their Pokemons are special. Even if that Happiny is strong, Charizard would kick his head! 😄 Who cares if that Pokemon can lift rocks? Most Pokemons can do that and a lot more.
For example, Ash's Pikachu is REALLY strong, is the more experienced Pokemon he have, hell, he have it been since the first episode. Obvious that he's a very strong Pikachu and experienced in battle, more than most Pikachus.
Pikachu isn't capable of lifting half as much as Brock's Happiny. Yeah, it is experienced, but Ash's Pikachu varies incredibly in ability. It struggled against all kinds of Pokemon throughout the series. Even Water Pokemon like Crasher Wake's Floatzel.
What about Gym Leader's Pokemon? They aren't main characters and their Pokemon tend to be pretty incredible. Same thing with those of the Elite Four.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Yep. But it isn't in the Anime either... They surely don't considered that as legit canon nor accurate representations of his abilities. They don't even made a ret-con. Even if they put it as a description in a game, is obvious that is hyperbole, Machamp is very strong, but that's clearly exaggerated. There are a lot of Pokemons that are far more strong and they can't move mountains. There are a lot of Pokemons that aren't strong as Machamp and still can defeat him. Do you really think that Machamp dealing 1,000 punches in 2 seconds is accurate and it isn't exaggerated...? Come on, man...
I've told you this before, the Anime is inconsistent. Shit become powerhouses, powerhouses become shit.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I guess I should check that Pokemon and his abilities. Damn, I haven't watched those new seasons... I hate when they introduce new characters... I was used to like May and now I have to get used to this girl named Dawn? Lol. At least Brock remains... I miss Misty, she's the best. Also Gary he was cool. I see... Maybe that's a more strong version of the same attack?
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Bull shitYeah I know. But, look at Pikachu, he sometimes performs his Attack Trueno (Spanish version, lol) Thunderbolt on Ash and that's comical. But If I remember correctly, in some of the first episodes of the whole series, Pikachu was sick or something and Ash had to carry him, in those moments Pikachu was releasing powerful Thunderbolts and many of them actually hits Ash, and believe me, Ash was really suffering from those attacks... He could have died. Sometimes they make it serious and sometimes comical. It depends the scenes. If we go with logic, then the Team Rocket is dead from the first episode, lol.
The point is that they DIDN'T enjoyed being charged up... 😕
Not sure what all of this has to do with the thread.
It doesn't matter that they didn't enjoy it. 😬
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs1. No-Limits fallacy. That covers pretty much every time you mention the word reflect.
Zard and Blastiose's fire and water attacks are strong as hell, if you go by what the pokedex says about them, but it wouldn't matter with reflect.If Blastiose's cannon's can shoot out water and pierce through thick steel, then when it gets fired back at him it should pierce though his body too. I don't think a turtle shell is stronger than steel.
Same with Zard... if it's fire is hot enough to melt any known substance (don't remember exactly how it was stated), then shouldn't it melt Charzard as soon as it gets fired back at him?
Even w/o reflect, one or two Thundaga spells would take them both out.
Machamp is a beast, but he can be taken out with a tornado spell.... same with Tryannitar via fighting moves.
2. Thundaga cannot be proven to be as powerful as a Pikachu...
3. Funny thing is Machamp is so incredibly fast he will have killed the FF team before they do anything. Show me Zell doing anything comparable to what fighting types do in Pokemon. 😐
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It is purely speculation on your part that she reacted to the bullet. She doesn't have to know she was going to be shot, just attacked in some way. I really don't think it would have been possible for her to hear the shot first were it at real sniper bullet speed, but I'd have to check numbers which I won't do.
Except I'm not speculating. What she did is to stop the bullet, so she had to react to the shot/attack, it is not that hard to understand, actually. On the other hand, you're indeed speculating and putting a bunch of random claims without any sort of evidence (Probably because you don't want to accept any of her abilities). Which by the way, some users here like Nephthys or BloodRain have proved you wrong. You are indeed speculating and making assumptions without any basis, not because I say so, it is because you are making assumptions. You are putting a lot of irrelevant information also. How comes it wouldn't have been possible for her to hear the shot? I can hear the shot. Who cares what kind of rifle that thing is? Who cares if is a sniper, a Bazooka, revolver or a grenade? That's not even important nor is stated anywhere in the whole game, because it is not important. What she did is to stop the attack and even had to fight Squall, Rinoa and Irvine afterwards who has a shotgun. You'll have to deal with it, so stop making random assumptions to disregard information.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Doesn't change the fact that it's PIS and should not have been able to happen.
It is stated that it's 'PIS'? Or you're speculating again? Don't worry, I take it as one of your other opinions.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Pikachu isn't capable of lifting half as much as Brock's Happiny. Yeah, it is experienced, but Ash's Pikachu varies incredibly in ability. It struggled against all kinds of Pokemon throughout the series. Even Water Pokemon like Crasher Wake's Floatzel.What about Gym Leader's Pokemon? They aren't main characters and their Pokemon tend to be pretty incredible. Same thing with those of the Elite Four.
And what does Pikachu have to do with Brock's Pokemon? May I know? Ash's Pikachu is indeed one of the strongest Pikachus, even stronger than the one Richie carries. Plus, he's the main Pokemon.
Because they are trained.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've told you this before, the Games are inconsistent/exaggerated/hyperbole. Shit become powerhouses, powerhouses become shit.
Fixed. 👆
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Not sure what all of this has to do with the thread.It doesn't matter that they didn't enjoy it. erm
Hmm... Nothing really, well I just had this reply to you some days ago, but I was too busy to even post it and to elaborate it, I'm lazy, lol.
That means they felt pleasure. lolz.
*Ahem* No... That means that they suffered the Thunderbolt before being charged with it.