Pokemon v.s. Final Fantasy, with less speculation!

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Except I'm not speculating. What she did is to stop the bullet, so she had to react to the shot/attack, it is not that hard to understand, actually. On the other hand, you're indeed speculating and putting a bunch of random claims without any sort of evidence (Probably because you don't want to accept any of her abilities). Which by the way, some users here like Nephthys or BloodRain have proved you wrong. You are indeed speculating and making assumptions without any basis, not because I say so, it is because you are making assumptions. You are putting a lot of irrelevant information also. How comes it wouldn't have been possible for her to hear the shot? I can hear the shot. Who cares what kind of rifle that thing is? Who cares if is a sniper, a Bazooka, revolver or a grenade? That's not even important nor is stated anywhere in the whole game, because it is not important. What she did is to stop the attack and even had to fight Squall, Rinoa and Irvine afterwards who has a shotgun. You'll have to deal with it, so stop making random assumptions to disregard information.

You are speculating. Despite never seeing Ultimecia react, or even a trace of a reaction to the bullet, you assume she was able to react to it. Really, all she had to do was put up a force field. You don't know if she did it before or after Irving pulled the trigger.

Because if I am correct, the sniper bullet would have reached her before the sound making it impossible to hear it before it hits her. But again, I'd have to check numbers because I don't know the speed of sound.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
It is stated that it's 'PIS'? Or you're speculating again? Don't worry, I take it as one of your other opinions.

Well look at it this way. Thunderbolt isn't enough electricity to create armor in one hit, but it would easily defeat a Swellow. So Pikachu released more electricity, enough to create the Thunder Armor.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
And what does Pikachu have to do with Brock's Pokemon? May I know? Ash's Pikachu is indeed one of the strongest Pikachus, even stronger than the one Richie carries. Plus, he's the main Pokemon.

Because they are trained.

You said a lot of Pokemon are that strong and tried to use Pikachu as an example. 😐 His power fluctuates as much as the Anime does with consistency.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So what if she's a human. Turning something into stone trophies is a pretty good gadget, don't you think?

Pretty good gadget but not something a Pokemon can do.

You are still basing power on the Anime. Tyranitar only gets hurt by rocket launchers in that because the Anime turns powerhouses into shit, and shit into powerhouses.

Mewtwo was never that uber as shown in the anime without its R/B/Y Amnesia. From G/S and on, it gets heavily damaged by Tyranitar and Heracross's Megahorn.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ruby Dragon>Charizard?

Charizard can both melt boulders, and 10,000 ton glaciers.

What has the dragon done to compare?

Reflect

Originally posted by NemeBro

2. Thundaga cannot be proven to be as powerful as a Pikachu...

Pikachu has never been proven to be powerful, at least alone. If we're using the anime, Ash has survive electric attacks from his own Pikachu in Pikachu Revolts and there was no toonforce involved.

3. Funny thing is Machamp is so incredibly fast he will have killed the FF team before they do anything. Show me Zell doing anything comparable to what fighting types do in Pokemon. 😐

Just because Machamp can throw 2000 punches in 2 seconds doesn't make him a speedster. He gets injured by drilling beaks. If we're not accepting Limit Breaks, Zell has GFs and magic.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You are speculating. Despite never seeing Ultimecia react, or even a trace of a reaction to the bullet, you assume she was able to react to it. Really, all she had to do was put up a force field. You don't know if she did it before or after Irving pulled the trigger.

I'm afraid that seeing all your speculations in these last pages, I don't think I am the one who is making assumptions nor claiming things without evidence, that's indeed you. She had to lift her hand to put a field, of course she reacted to the shot, that's not speculation, that's a logical reasoning. What evidence do you have that she did it before? You assume that she did it before, but why? We know she did it when Irvine fired, that's not something you can argue about. You think that is easier to assume she already knew that was about to being attacked by a shot so she put a field waiting for it, that does not make any sense.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Because if I am correct, the sniper bullet would have reached her before the sound making it impossible to hear it before it hits her. But again, I'd have to check numbers because I don't know the speed of sound.

We can hear the shot though when is fired. What are you trying to say here? What numbers you have to check? Who cares about the speed of sound? That's all a bunch of irrelevant information.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Thunderbolt isn't enough electricity to create armor in one hit, but it would easily defeat a Swellow. So Pikachu released more electricity, enough to create the Thunder Armor.

Evidence please, stop with your speculations.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You said a lot of Pokemon are that strong and tried to use Pikachu as an example. no expression His power fluctuates as much as the Anime does with consistency.

I said Pikachu is a very well trained and experienced in battle Pokemon, that's all.

She was looking at the bullet before it hit her shield, I dont know Irvine but I highly doubt a sniper would take that shot if she was looking at them. She had to react to the bullet mid shot.

Ash: ''If I make my strong Pikachu use thunderbolt on my flying type Swellow, maybe something good will happen : D''
And this is the hero? ¬¬

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I'm afraid that seeing all your speculations in these last pages, I don't think I am the one who is making assumptions nor claiming things without evidence, that's indeed you. She had to lift her hand to put a field, of course she reacted to the shot, that's not speculation, that's a logical reasoning. What evidence do you have that she did it before? You assume that she did it before, but why? We know she did it when Irvine fired, that's not something you can argue about. You think that is easier to assume she already knew that was about to being attacked by a shot so she put a field waiting for it, that does not make any sense.

Of course she lifted her hand, but when she did it you cannot say. What evidence do you have that she did it after the shot was fired? None. If she reacted to the shot, then fine, maybe she can react to Machamp. But will she have time to do anything? I doubt it.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
We can hear the shot though when is fired. What are you trying to say here? What numbers you have to check? Who cares about the speed of sound? That's all a bunch of irrelevant information.

Of course we heard the shot, the camera is right next to the guy when he pulls the trigger. Put two and two together, dude. If the bullet moves faster than the speed of sound, it would have hit her before she heard the noise of the gunpowder exploding.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Evidence please, stop with your speculations.

How about damaging other electric types with a Thunderbolt. Not enough? How about Rock types? Still not good enough? How about Steel types and Machines?

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I said Pikachu is a very well trained and experienced in battle Pokemon, that's all.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Who cares if that Pokemon can lift rocks? Most Pokemons can do that and a lot more.
For example, Ash's Pikachu is REALLY strong,

But will she have time to do anything?

Still takes time to do those, eh?

If she can do either of them as fast as blocking a sniper then yeah, she can pull it off.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Of course she lifted her hand, but when she did it you cannot say. What evidence do you have that she did it after the shot was fired? None. If she reacted to the shot, then fine, maybe she can react to Machamp. But will she have time to do anything? I doubt it.

First off, I don't care about Machamp. I'm not even debating about the fight, just this. But you are the one who is claiming that she already had the field, therefore she already had her hand up waiting for a shot, that's NOT likely, by any reasons, that doesn't make any sense, and you don't have nothing but speculations to claim such thing.
She put the field at the same time the bullet was fired, that's a logical reasoning. She heard the shot so she put the field protecting her head. She didn't know she was about to get attacked by a shot.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Of course we heard the shot, the camera is right next to the guy when he pulls the trigger. Put two and two together, dude. If the bullet moves faster than the speed of sound, it would have hit her before she heard the noise of the gunpowder exploding.

Huh? The camera? About what camera are you talking about? The shot was heard, thus she heard it. Why are you having problems in accepting this? Who cares about the speed of that bullet? It's a bullet. Who cares about the speed of sound or gunpowder? Those are things you are drawing to support your argument because it's already refuted several times, so now you bring imaginative stuff like: 'the speed of the sound', stop bringing elements which aren't even specified in the plot nor game, it's irrelevant. Irvine fired, she put the field, simple as that. It's not that hard to understand.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
How about damaging other electric types with a Thunderbolt. Not enough? How about Rock types? Still not good enough? How about Steel types and Machines?

How about if Pikachu served as an antenna?

And in one of those quotes you brought from me, I said Pikachu is really strong, thus he's is a very well trained and experienced in battle.

She never time stopped in FF 8

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
First off, I don't care about Machamp. I'm not even debating about the fight, just this. But you are the one who is claiming that she already had the field, therefore she already had her hand up waiting for a shot, that's NOT likely, by any reasons, that doesn't make any sense, and you don't have nothing but speculations to claim such thing.
She put the field at the same time the bullet was fired, that's a logical reasoning. She heard the shot so she put the field protecting her head. She didn't know she was about to get attacked by a shot.

Well we didn't see her hand move at all, so she did have it up already. Whether or not it was in reaction to the bullet is the speculation portion. Care to put it aside? I will as well after this post. Well, when speaking about it to you I will. But somebody else will probably bring it up.

It's pretty impossible for her to have heard that shot before the bullet hit her. If she did, that bullet is slower than Mach 1, putting her reaction time below what she'd need to react to Machamp. And you even contradicted yourself. "She heard the shot so she put up a field, she didn't know she was about to get attacked by a shot."

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Huh? The camera? About what camera are you talking about? The shot was heard, thus she heard it. Why are you having problems in accepting this? Who cares about the speed of that bullet? It's a bullet. Who cares about the speed of sound or gunpowder? Those are things you are drawing to support your argument because it's already refuted several times, so now you bring imaginative stuff like: 'the speed of the sound', stop bringing elements which aren't even specified in the plot nor game, it's irrelevant. Irvine fired, she put the field, simple as that. It's not that hard to understand.

Are you serious? The game camera. You know, the one from which we view the events of the game.

I know you aren't seriously incapable of connecting these points. And the speed of sound is not imaginative.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
How about if Pikachu served as an antenna?

And in one of those quotes you brought from me, I said Pikachu is really strong, thus he's is a very well trained and experienced in battle.

Pikachu serving as an antenna doesn't change anything about the Thunder Armor scene. Electric current is still charging through Swellow's Body.

Originally posted by Phanteros
She never time stopped in FF 8

Well in that case, she freezes people.

All the others have time stop materia/spells..

The simple fact here is that not all bullets travel at the same speed. Several sniper rifles have bullets that can outrun the sound of the gun. This means that certain guns can be fired and hit the target before the sound of the gun going off travels the same distance. The bullet is faster than sound, so it literally cannot be heard coming as it will hit before the gunshot is heard.

This is what Moo is saying. If the bullet was supersonic, Ultimecia would not have heard it because the bullet outran the sound. If she did hear it, it means the bullet had to have been subsonic, slower than sound, as the sound moved faster than the bullet.

It also means Machamp's Bullet Punch description is somewhat unreliable. Again, not all bullets travel at the same speed. Machamp could indeed be moving faster than sound, or he could not be. "Fast as a bullet" is simply impossible to quantify, as there are too many types of bullets.

She could have seen the bullet though....

Originally posted by BloodRain
All the others have time stop materia/spells..

Ultimecia could have done a lot of things given all that time she had between the closing of the doors and when Irving finally pulled the trigger.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She could have seen the bullet though....

On that bullet punch, it doesnt make his whole body move just the punch.

I already had that argument with Nephthys. It makes his whole body move.

I had this conversation about Ultimecia in another thread, apparently she has some form of precog or clairvoyence or she can read minds, either way there was many ways she could of predicted the sniper before he fired or know that he was there.