Your assumption, that the pokedex is a bunch of lies by random guys who wish to lie to people on the otherside of the fourth wall they're unaware of... Is a bit of a stretch.
No I didn't. 😐
I said that its designed by fallible beings and is thus fallible in of itself. Meaning not fact. Meaning stop treating it as such.
It's word of God canon
No it isn't.
Also, it's backed up at several points during the games.
No it isn't.
Interesting. What does that have to do with the Pokedex?
That not everything works out justas it says it should and that you shouldn't believe everything you read unless it has some damn proof behind it or out of universe backing.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No I didn't. 😐I said that its designed by fallible beings and is thus fallible in of itself. Meaning not fact. Meaning stop treating it as such.
No it isn't.
No it isn't.
That not everything works out justas it says it should and that you shouldn't believe everything you read unless it has some damn proof behind it or out of universe backing.
Yes it is.
Yes it is. A Gyarados' thrash hollows out a massive crater which becomes a lake, Palkia or Dialga nearly destroy and recreate the universe, Giratina single handedly stops them both. Arceus creates a Giratina, Palkia, or Dialga in HG/SS, so on and so forth. All through the games the pokedex is shown to be consistant.
The pokedex itself is proof, it is consistent, it is word of God canon, and there's no reason whatsoever to doubt it. Stop attempting to deconstruct the canon of a series to weaken it.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeYeah. Neph is gonna lead us down the road of Nihilism. 😐
Well then, gimme a reason to believe that not everything works out as planned.Of course I really shouldn't be asking that since I shouldn't believe everything I read anyway. So you'd probably be full of shit.
Maybe I shouldn't even believe that I shouldn't believe everything I read.
It's not fallible until you can supply a reason that it is, explain logicly why Nintendo would fill the pokedex with lies to confuse it's fans?
Its fallible becuase its written by humans, who can lie, be tricked or just flat out be wrong. Every single character is fallible unless backed up with evidence. As I said, 99% of the pokedex lack such. And if the good folks at Nintendo wanted it to be 100% accurate then they'd make it come from n out of universe omniscient narrator.
Yes it is.
Its Word of Prof. Oak and pals.
Yes it is. A Gyarados' thrash hollows out a massive crater which becomes a lake, Palkia or Dialga nearly destroy and recreate the universe, Giratina single handedly stops them both. Arceus creates a Giratina, Palkia, or Dialga in HG/SS, so on and so forth. All through the games the pokedex is shown to be consistant.
OH MY GOD, SIX OCCURANCES! Well OBVIOUSLY that makes every single entry accurate! Why didn't I see that!
The pokedex itself is proof, it is consistent, it is word of God canon, and there's no reason whatsoever to doubt it. Stop attempting to deconstruct the canon of a series to weaken it.
I'm not. I'm trying to educate you about reality.
Of course I really shouldn't be asking that since I shouldn't believe everything I read anyway. So you'd probably be full of shit.Maybe I shouldn't even believe that I shouldn't believe everything I read.
Maybe you shouldn't. Maybe you should *gasp!* think for yourself! Zomgwtf!!!!1
If we continue down the road you're taking this debate: Deconstruction of everything, nothing is valid, ever.
No. We can accept things that actually occur on the screen as evidence unless we have reason otherwise becuase we actually see them occur. Things we're simply told however must be taken with a grain of salt becuase human fallibility exists. The pokedex has very little backing it up. How the hell does it get its information on pokemon people have never even seen before you encounter it? Does it just make it up on the spot? Does it mak up the names too? Some entries mention legends etc How does it know those things?
Originally posted by Nephthys
No. We can accept things that actually occur on the screen as evidence unless we have reason otherwise becuase we actually see them occur. Things we're simply told however must be taken with a grain of salt becuase human fallibility exists. The pokedex has very little backing it up. How the hell does it get its information on pokemon people have never even seen before you encounter it? Does it just make it up on the spot? Does it mak up the names too? Some entries mention legends etc How does it know those things?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's not fallible until you can supply a reason that it is, explain logicly why Nintendo would fill the pokedex with lies to confuse it's fans?Yes it is.
Yes it is. A Gyarados' thrash hollows out a massive crater which becomes a lake, Palkia or Dialga nearly destroy and recreate the universe, Giratina single handedly stops them both. Arceus creates a Giratina, Palkia, or Dialga in HG/SS, so on and so forth. All through the games the pokedex is shown to be consistant.
The pokedex itself is proof, it is consistent, it is word of God canon, and there's no reason whatsoever to doubt it. Stop attempting to deconstruct the canon of a series to weaken it.
You failed to explain why it's fallible properly. Nintendo would not make an encyclopedia to lie to it's fans.
It's backed up by more occurences, but listing them all on your deaf ears is pointless.
No grains of salt pokedex is canon, end of.
You failed to explain why it's fallible properly. Nintendo would not make an encyclopedia to lie to it's fans.
They didn't though. They made professor Oak make a pokedex filled with his opinions on various abilities of various pokemon without backing them up. Characters are extentions of the creators will, not the will itself. And don't pretend you know whats going on in Nintendo. You have no grounds to claim anything about their intentions.
It's backed up by more occurences, but listing them all on your deaf ears is pointless.
Indeed. Unless every claim is backed up its a fallible device.
No grains of salt pokedex is canon, end of.
Sure, you keep thinking that.
Bulbapedia says the entiries are written by Professor Westwood V.
The Dex also describes its purpose as 'providing information', indicating that it already has that information. This is backed up by the fact that sometimes it doesn't just talk about teh pokemon, but about things the pokemon has done i.e 'If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.' The pokedex also displays useage of hyperbole and lies such as, 'Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack,' which is blatantly false.
And how does it know their names if it just cobbles together the entry by itself?
I'd also like to see what evidence you have that no-one writes it and that it just makes shit up by itself.
K, instead of Professor Oak, it's Westwood, makes no difference. Pokedex is still canon, and you still have nothing to say that it is not, or that it is fallible. Your effort at deconstructing the pokedex is fruitless.
Again: Nintendo wouldn't create the pokedex just to confuse their fans.
GJ, nothing's changed.
Originally posted by NephthysNope, it shows the dex is word of God by a different name. 😐
Nope, it shows that the 'dex can be wrong, meaning fallible.'don't pretend you know whats going on in Nintendo. You have no grounds to claim anything about their intentions.'
And you do? You'd have to prove they are infact doing this for your claim to hold any water.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Nope, it shows the dex is word of God by a different name. 😐And you do? You'd have to prove they are infact doing this for your claim to hold any water.
By making blatantly false claims? Yes, clearly that shows omniscient, truthful facts. 😐
No, I don't. Just the mere possibility destroys your argument.