O_o your.. ear..
His flames are around 1000°C for his two melting feats (more or less). His fire attack destroyed a 10m(D) hole through that metal wall. Whether its < or > for that feat they can use a stronger version of that attack or stronger spells altogether, <- and they would by what that fire did be > Charizard's flames.
Pokemon rarely makes sense if you ask me. You can't go by what they say in the pokedex. Like one that says a larvatar, I think it was, eats a whole mountain everyday, or something like that. Never mind the fact that there would be no mountains left in the world, since there is no shortage of larvatars.
It's just a whole bunch of stuff they wrote because it sounded cool. Most of it is not backed up at all in either the game or show. Go by what you actually see of the pokemon. Tyranitars fall all the time. A lot of people have them. Same with Charizard and the rest.
Ultimicia takes out armies of soldiers who have been trained specifically to fight sorceresses like her. She alone wins this thread for the FF team.
...why. >_>
Larvitar eat one mountain before evolving into Pupitar. Nothing says there are a lot of Larvitar, and nothing means that's impossible.
Find me a Pokedex quote that is impossible that isn't a no-limit fallacy (because I don't bother with those and you can't back that shit up anyway). I dare you.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
...why. >_>Larvitar eat one mountain before evolving into Pupitar. Nothing says there are a lot of Larvitar, and nothing means that's impossible.
Find me a Pokedex quote that is impossible that isn't a no-limit fallacy (because I don't bother with those and you can't back that shit up anyway). I dare you.
You find them all over the place. Think about it. For every Larvitar that evolves, the world looses one mountain.
I don't know how many mountains the pokemon world has, but it isn't enough for that. Considering each island place has, like, one or two mountains.
Let's look at some more.
Pidgeot:
"This pokemon flies at mach 2 speeds seeking prey."
That's two times the speed of sound. Not only should this pokemon never get hit, apparently planes need to be made of a special metal to fly that speed without melting.
Magcargo:
"Magcargos body temperature is about 18, 000 F."
The surface of the sun is 9980 F. So... Magcargo is hotter than the sun. How do people get close to him without burning up? Why isn't weather affected wherever they go?
Regice:
"REGICE cloaks itself with frigid air of negative 328 degrees F. Things will freeze solid just by going near this POKéMON. Its icy body is so cold, it will not melt even if it is immersed in magma."
Okay, so anyone who gets even close to this pokemon instantly dies. So, this pokemon is unbeatable, right? Unless of course you snipe it from a distance. How do you catch these things again?
Trust me. They write these things because it sounds cool. They don't bother with them at all past that.
Originally posted by TacDaveyLarvatar eats a mountain's worth of dirt, and pokemon weather is actually controlled by even more powerful pokemon than the ones you named, so those are moot. Pidgeot's just a really powerful bird. All pokemon are stupid powerful, welcome to the pokeverse.
You find them all over the place. Think about it. For every Larvitar that evolves, the world looses one mountain.I don't know how many mountains the pokemon world has, but it isn't enough for that. Considering each island place has, like, one or two mountains.
Let's look at some more.
Pidgeot:
"This pokemon flies at mach 2 speeds seeking prey."
That's two times the speed of sound. Not only should this pokemon never get hit, apparently planes need to be made of a special metal to fly that speed without melting.
Magcargo:
"Magcargos body temperature is about 18, 000 F."
The surface of the sun is 9980 F. So... Magcargo is hotter than the sun. How do people get close to him without burning up? Why isn't weather affected wherever they go?
Regice:
"REGICE cloaks itself with frigid air of negative 328 degrees F. Things will freeze solid just by going near this POKéMON. Its icy body is so cold, it will not melt even if it is immersed in magma."
Okay, so anyone who gets even close to this pokemon instantly dies. So, this pokemon is unbeatable, right? Unless of course you snipe it from a distance. How do you catch these things again?
Trust me. They write these things because it sounds cool. They don't bother with them at all past that.
So yeah, when Larvitar poops, the dirt comes back, albeit less fertile.
Larvitar are also born deep beneath the surface, and have to eat their way to the top before they even see their parents.
So it's fast. Whoopdeedoo. Who says that's its battle speed? Oh, and Pidgeot are also capable of learning the move Brave Bird, which actually cloaks them in fire before somehow turning into a blue aura.
Nothing says Magcargo's body temperature ignites the things around it. It may be totally contanied by it's shell.
Nothing says Regice cloaks itself like this constantly. And I believe later quotes say that is merely it's body temperature.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Larvatar eats a mountain's worth of dirt, and pokemon weather is actually controlled by even more powerful pokemon than the ones you named, so those are moot. Pidgeot's just a really powerful bird. All pokemon are stupid powerful, welcome to the pokeverse.
That does nothing to explain away my argument. Larvatars eating mountains... there wouldn't be any dirt left. Or we would be walking around in big piles of larvatar crap. Neither is true.
Magcargo would still turn everything close to it to ash.
Pigeot is just a powerful bird, huh? If it can survive that, basically no move should be able to damage it. As far as I can see. It's a bird, with flesh and blood. It shows no resistance to forces like that.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Larvitar are also born deep beneath the surface, and have to eat their way to the top before they even see their parents.
So what? You don't get it. You guys don't seem to have a proper appreciation for how much a mountains worth of dirt is. ONE larvitar would be enough to noticeably change the earths surface, and that's not even taking into account that there are TONS of these little buggers.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So it's fast. Whoopdeedoo. Who says that's its battle speed? Oh, and Pidgeot are also capable of learning the move Brave Bird, which actually cloaks them in fire before somehow turning into a blue aura.
It says it flies at that speed. It never says it can't do it in battles. That birds body shouldn't be able to take that kind of speed without being super durable, which isn't backed up when it is easily damaged by even weak physical attacks.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Nothing says Magcargo's body temperature ignites the things around it. It may be totally contanied by it's shell.
It says nothing about the temperature just being contained inside and not outside. All it says is that it's body temp is hotter than the sun.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Nothing says Regice cloaks itself like this constantly. And I believe later quotes say that is merely it's body temperature.
It IS it's body temp. That's the point. That pokemon is supposedly so cold, it freezes anything that gets close to it solid. Yet we can easily use any physical attack on it without any harm coming to the pokemon. Certainly not freezing it solid.
Offering up other "possibilities" with no evidence to try and explain away the inconsistencies won't work. The pokedex entries are nothing more than cool ideas that get dropped with no explanation as soon as they become a problem.
Originally posted by TacDavey
You find them all over the place. Think about it. For every Larvitar that evolves, the world looses one mountain.I don't know how many mountains the pokemon world has, but it isn't enough for that. Considering each island place has, like, one or two mountains.
Let's look at some more.
Pidgeot:
"This pokemon flies at mach 2 speeds seeking prey."
That's two times the speed of sound. Not only should this pokemon never get hit, apparently planes need to be made of a special metal to fly that speed without melting.
Magcargo:
"Magcargos body temperature is about 18, 000 F."
The surface of the sun is 9980 F. So... Magcargo is hotter than the sun. How do people get close to him without burning up? Why isn't weather affected wherever they go?
Regice:
"REGICE cloaks itself with frigid air of negative 328 degrees F. Things will freeze solid just by going near this POKéMON. Its icy body is so cold, it will not melt even if it is immersed in magma."
Okay, so anyone who gets even close to this pokemon instantly dies. So, this pokemon is unbeatable, right? Unless of course you snipe it from a distance. How do you catch these things again?
Trust me. They write these things because it sounds cool. They don't bother with them at all past that.
Kudos for finding the best examples of why the Pokedex is ludicrous. Though, the Dusclops one is still one that I like too. Regardless, they're going to use the Pokedex as canon evidence for such featless characters. I find it odd how these are the same people who give Sephiroth crap over supernova when they'll accept the completely retarded and contradictory in design Pokedex. 😕
Originally posted by TacDavey
So what? You don't get it. You guys don't seem to have a proper appreciation for how much a mountains worth of dirt is. ONE larvitar would be enough to noticeably change the earths surface, and that's not even taking into account that there are TONS of these little buggers.
No, I get it just fine. But what you don't get is:
1. It's Pokemon.
2. Larvitar digest dirt, it would return.
3. Other Pokemon produce sand and rocks just to use moves like Stone Edge.
4. Nothing says there are tons of them.
Originally posted by TacDavey
It says it flies at that speed. It never says it can't do it in battles. That birds body shouldn't be able to take that kind of speed without being super durable, which isn't backed up when it is easily damaged by even weak physical attacks.
You don't seem to understand what I asked you to do. I asked you to find Pokedex quotes that are impossible. Nothing you've posted is impossible.
As I said earlier, Brave Bird cloaks them in fire.
Originally posted by TacDavey
It says nothing about the temperature just being contained inside and not outside. All it says is that it's body temp is hotter than the sun.
It also doesn't say that it burns everything around it. It says it's body temperature is hotter than the sun. It says nothing else.
Have I also mentioned that Ponyta can choose who they burn with their fire? I don't think it would be a stretch to theorize all Fire Pokemon that hot can choose who they burn. I won't ever argue this point in a debate because I can't prove it. But, it works for this argument quite well.
Originally posted by TacDavey
It IS it's body temp. That's the point. That pokemon is supposedly so cold, it freezes anything that gets close to it solid. Yet we can easily use any physical attack on it without any harm coming to the pokemon. Certainly not freezing it solid.Offering up other "possibilities" with no evidence to try and explain away the inconsistencies won't work. The pokedex entries are nothing more than cool ideas that get dropped with no explanation as soon as they become a problem.
I notice that the word "constantly" was nowhere in the description.
I can't really understand why you're surprised at these things. This is the same verse with little spheres with seemingly nothing to them that shrink and grow at the press of a button and can contain Pokemon of any size due to an ability to change those creatures' states of matter. The creatures also have the ability to change their molecular structure, produce seemingly endless amounts of water, fire, leaves, and other things.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Kudos for finding the best examples of why the Pokedex is ludicrous. Though, the Dusclops one is still one that I like too. Regardless, they're going to use the Pokedex as canon evidence for such featless characters. I find it odd how these are the same people who give Sephiroth crap over supernova when they'll accept the completely retarded and contradictory in design Pokedex. 😕
Thanks for bringing to my attention another one.
Dusclops:
"DUSCLOPS's body is completely hollow - there is nothing at all inside. It is said that its body is like a black hole. This POKéMON will absorb anything into its body, but nothing will ever come back out."
and
"DUSCLOPS absorbs anything, however large the object may be..."
This pokemon can kill anything at any time...
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
No, I get it just fine. But what you don't get is:
1. It's Pokemon.
2. Larvitar digest dirt, it would return.
3. Other Pokemon produce sand and rocks just to use moves like Stone Edge.
4. Nothing says there are tons of them.
1. No, I get that just fine.
2. Eventually and in the form of Larvatar Dung.
3. Enough to form mountains do they?
4. Walk around the tall grass. They are everywhere.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You don't seem to understand what I asked you to do. I asked you to find Pokedex quotes that are impossible. Nothing you've posted is impossible.
ANYTHING is possible in a fantasy world. I'm looking at things that are contradictory, or make no sense. It doesn't make sense that Larvatar eat mountains, yet there is absolutely NO impact on the world. Where are they getting all these mountains to eat? It doesn't make sense that a Pidgeot can withstand the forces of flying two times the speed of sound, yet can be taken out by tackling it. Regice shouldn't be able to get hurt physically, let alone ever caught.
The descriptions in the pokedex are inconsistent with the rest of the game.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It also doesn't say that it burns everything around it. It says it's body temperature is hotter than the sun. It says nothing else.Have I also mentioned that Ponyta can choose who they burn with their fire? I don't think it would be a stretch to theorize all Fire Pokemon that hot can choose who they burn. I won't ever argue this point in a debate because I can't prove it. But, it works for this argument quite well.
There is no mention that any other pokemon other than Ponyta can do that. Like you yourself said, there is no evidence to prove this.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I notice that the word "constantly" was nowhere in the description.I can't really understand why you're surprised at these things. This is the same verse with little spheres with seemingly nothing to them that shrink and grow at the press of a button and can contain Pokemon of any size due to an ability to change those creatures' states of matter. The creatures also have the ability to change their molecular structure, produce seemingly endless amounts of water, fire, leaves, and other things.
Sure, I understand it's fantasy. That's not the issue. The issue is the pokedex entries not being logically supported with the rest of the game.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Thanks for bringing to my attention another one.Dusclops:
"DUSCLOPS's body is completely hollow - there is nothing at all inside. It is said that its body is like a black hole. This POKéMON will absorb anything into its body, but nothing will ever come back out."
and
"DUSCLOPS absorbs anything, however large the object may be..."
This pokemon can kill anything at any time...
Yay for no limit fallacies.
Originally posted by TacDavey
1. No, I get that just fine.2. Eventually and in the form of Larvatar Dung.
3. Enough to form mountains do they?
4. Walk around the tall grass. They are everywhere.
1. Do you...
2. K.
3. Dunno.
4. Lolgamemechanics. With this logic, if I want to spend enough time I can prove that there are triillions of whatever Pokemon I want there to be trillions of.
Originally posted by TacDavey
ANYTHING is possible in a fantasy world. I'm looking at things that are contradictory, or make no sense. It doesn't make sense that Larvatar eat mountains, yet there is absolutely NO impact on the world. Where are they getting all these mountains to eat? It doesn't make sense that a Pidgeot can withstand the forces of flying two times the speed of sound, yet can be taken out by tackling it. Regice shouldn't be able to get hurt physically, let alone ever caught.The descriptions in the pokedex are inconsistent with the rest of the game.
And you are doing a terrible job of it.
Larvitar can eat whatever they want. Nothing says there is absolutely no impact, and nothing says there are enough Larvitar to make it a drastic impact. There is also a thing called Groudon.
Nothing also says a Pidgeot can be taken out by a tackle. And, as Scenario points out, it's hax vs hax in the Pokeverse.
Originally posted by TacDavey
There is no mention that any other pokemon other than Ponyta can do that. Like you yourself said, there is no evidence to prove this.
Way to restate exactly what I said.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Sure, I understand it's fantasy. That's not the issue. The issue is the pokedex entries not being logically supported with the rest of the game.
Probably because they can't be. I'd love to let my Charizard even do the simpler things like fly around whenever it wants, or let my Entei sprint across water at it's leisure, but my games cannot support these abilities for all the Pokemans and retain a balanced game, let alone a working cartridge.
I willing to bet the Pokedex is just a load of crap. If Alakazam is so smart, it wouldn't need to be in a pokeball and a group of them would capture Mewtwo and prevent Team Galatic from trying to recreate the universe.
Magcargo is hotter than the sun but has a lower special attack than Magmortar. Machamp knows every martial art but gets beaten by birds and can't learn Jump Kick, Comet Punch, Triple Kick, etc. It's said in a Pokedex entry that the pain caused by Houndoom's flames never goes away. I wonder why none of the Pokemon games ever mention Pokemon suffering from eternal burns.
What about Muk? It's supposed so poisonous that its footprints are lethal. Does that mean Pokemon trainers have to do bio cleaning after using a Muk?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Do you know anything at all about Pokemon?Was @ Sin.
I know enough about Pokemon to know that Pokedex entries aren't worth trusting. Electrode was the fastest Pokemon but the Pokedex never mentions anything about its speed. Aerodactyl is faster than Dodrio, Pidgeot, and Rapidash but it's never mentioned that it flies at high speed.
Dragonite has the highest attack stat before Deoxys but the Pokedex never mentions its strength. Shuckle has the highest defense and special defense of every Pokemon but it is never mentioned that its durability can match Cloyster (who can tank a bomb) and Golem (who can withstand dynamite).
Game balance is a crappy explanation to why the Pokedex contradicts.
Jigglypuff uses Sing; then a Ghost-type army uses Dream Eater. Haunter says: "Ur chaotic dreams r tasty."
This is what the FF crew is going to be doing when they encounter a Psychic-Pokemon, lol;
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