Darth Maul vs. General Grievous

and also, just to add to your point translucent, the sky is blue!

Hell yeah!!

I take it I'm the only fan of UFC here . . .

Back to the point, Maul controlled the fight. He allowed Jinn to press Maul because he knew it would wear Jinn out. When the fight was abruptly stopped, Jinn was exhuasted. Maul fed off his rage and bound his minor wounds. After Jinn regained some of his strength, Maul wore him out again and killed him. Superior lightsaber form, youth and cunning defeated Jinn.

DT: no one is disupiting superior, we are disputing how superior.

Originally posted by truejedi

Definitly not directly after, like you are trying to imply. This is the final confrontation.

Well the movie is the highest canon, and we know Qui-Gon didnt last long at all in the final confrontation and he was backing away from Maul most of that Little time he did last.
But even if we go by the novel version of their final confrontation, we dnt know if Maul was fully recovered from Landing Straight on his Back after falling 2 stories, and we know Qui-Gon was doing sum battle meditation in the middle which helped revitalise him, and perhaps helped him to fight better than he did previously.

Originally posted by truejedi
I never claimed that. Strawman much?

I know. It wasnt directed at you, was directed at Lucien who said it, but I quoted you because you showed the paragraph.

more on point, what has maul actually done that puts him over grievous? kill the featless wonder anoon? kill the old and tired qui-gon?

all the word-play aside, that's really all i've seen anyone give him credit for where feats are concerned...

he doesnt have any remarkable feats. his reputation and place among the star wars hierarchy is due entirely to out of universe quotes. his only notable feats are beating people who are also only impressive due to out of universe quotes.

Fighting Qui-Gon and Obi-wan at the same time *was* pretty badass. Sure, he beat the 'old and tired' Qui-Gon, but he was the one who tired him.

im pretty sure qui-gon being old also had something to do with it...

Originally posted by Q99
Fighting Qui-Gon and Obi-wan at the same time *was* pretty badass. Sure, he beat the 'old and tired' Qui-Gon, but he was the one who tired him.

was he a skilled duelist? yes. insurmountably so? certainly not.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
im pretty sure qui-gon being old also had something to do with it...

Even old that was a long fight it took to do it! He was 60 and strong in the force, not 80 or anything.

He wasn't young but he wasn't an invalid or anything, it took serious dueling with a master over a prolonged period for Maul to wear him down.

was he a skilled duelist? yes. insurmountably so? certainly not.

Well, obviously, losing and all. But let us remember that we're talking a long duel with a council-level master without dying and didn't really show his wear until quite late in the fight. Many would have trouble surviving that long, it's a strategy that required very high level skill.

Originally posted by Q99
Even old that was a long fight it took to do it! He was 60 and strong in the force, not 80 or anything.

He wasn't young but he wasn't an invalid or anything, it took serious dueling with a master over a prolonged period for Maul to wear him down.

Well, obviously, losing and all. But let us remember that we're talking a long duel with a council-level master without dying and didn't really show his wear until quite late in the fight. Many would have trouble surviving that long, it's a strategy that required very high level skill.

"council level" doesnt mean anything. jango fett killed a council member in direct face to face combat. combat skills are not required to become a council member, which makes sense, because jedi are not not combat minded. the only thing that really matters is wisdom.

Good enough to spar with a less experienced Mace on good terms.

Originally posted by john allerdyce
i'm not trying to say that qui-gon was some run of the mill, talentless feeb. i am just saying that his inferior stamina was cited as the main reason why maul was able to kill him (as i posted earlier.) had stamina not been an issue.... who knows?

Yea, but 'inferior stamina' isn't actually all that little by most standards is what I'm saying. It was a very long fight, it's not like it'd be a weakness at all against most enemies.

Maul won because of his exceptional stamina allowed him to create a weakness that effectively wouldn't be there for most fighters. Dooku was losing against Anakin due to stamina in a fraction of the the time.

Stamina tipped the scales in the end, but "Duel with a master for 8+ minutes" in order to make it a factor at all is impressive as heck.

however, the length of the duel points once again to Maul not being ridiculously above QGJ's level as a swordsman, a level which has never been established as all that high.

Originally posted by Q99
Good enough to spar with a less experienced Mace on good terms.

A mace we know absolutely nothing about except he wasn't as technically skilled as Anoon Bondara.

Originally posted by john allerdyce
more on point, what has maul actually done that puts him over grievous? kill the featless wonder anoon? kill the old and tired qui-gon?

all the word-play aside, that's really all i've seen anyone give him credit for where feats are concerned...

So you dnt think Maul or Quigon are even close to Fisto or Kolar who both tooled Greivous. Seriously what feat does GG have. Who did he defeat whose even close to a Sith Lord as highly trained as Maul??

Oh, and almost besting Sidious in Sabers in a fit of rage is not a feat?? Yes Sidious was testing him, and wasnt going all out himself, but still how many Jedis are even capable of that.

Ive explained all Maul's training and skills to which GG does not even come close.

You guys have yet to explain how GG would even stand a chance.

Originally posted by truejedi

A mace we know absolutely nothing about except he wasn't as technically skilled as Anoon Bondara.

Also that Qui-Gon was one of the only ones who could give him a good sparing match. So in the top few duelists around at least.

Originally posted by Q99
Also that Qui-Gon was one of the only ones who could give him a good sparing match. So in the top few duelists around at least.

Originally posted by mattatom
Yes but this is TPM Mace we don't know how good he was then?

Still good enough to have trouble finding people who could give him a fight within the order.