Originally posted by truejedi
however, the length of the duel points once again to Maul not being ridiculously above QGJ's level as a swordsman, a level which has never been established as all that high.
Qui-Gon lasted a whopping 30 seconds in his last confrontation with Maul.
And only a couple of seconds longer on tatooine. So yeah Maul is miles ahead of him.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
i'm not saying it wasn't impressive. i am just not of the opinion that defeating the like's of a stamina-challenged qui-gon
Stamina challenged. Haha! Really his stamina was that bad! Nah he just culdnt keep up with Maul.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
and obi-wan as a padawan/almost knight, places maul in some sort of "teh uber" tier.
He was basically a match for 2 formidable Kinghts together. More than a match in fact.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
was he a skilled duelist? yes. insurmountably so? certainly not.
So having Mastered the Deadliest Lightsaber form, unkown to the vast majority of Jedis, as well as mastering an orthodox lightsaber as well as the deadly unorthodox double bladed weapon, as well as mastering several martial arts to combine with that, IS NOT UBER SKILLED TO YOU????
Originally posted by DARTH POWERnever once did i say his stamina was "bad". but it was the main reason he lost. that's my only point.
Stamina challenged. Haha! Really his stamina was that bad! Nah he just culdnt keep up with Maul.He was basically a match for 2 formidable Kinghts together. More than a match in fact.
So having Mastered the Deadliest Lightsaber form, unkown to the vast majority of Jedis, as well as mastering an orthodox lightsaber as well as the deadly unorthodox double bladed weapon, as well as mastering several martial arts to combine with that, IS NOT UBER SKILLED TO YOU????
he killed off a master (qui) who was battle worn, and who's exact level is entirely undefined. he beat a padawan/knight (obi) who didn't have any noteworthy feats at that point. don't make it more then it is.
i already said maul was a skilled duelist. but not insurmountably so.
Originally posted by Galan007
Where was this stated? If it's going to keep getting brought up as evidence, then I would like to know the source it's coming from..
galen, no one is ever going to answer this.
do you know why? because the current pro-maul argument hinges upon the idea that maul and qui-gon are a match for TPM mace.
if it ever actually turns out that that cant be proven... then their entire point collapses.
so you will never get a source 👆
Originally posted by Q99I know that's the source Wookie credits it for, but I can assure you no such statement exists in Qui-Gon's bio there.
I think the Qui-Gon vs Mace stuff was from the New Essential Guide to Characters.
Originally posted by Ms.MarvelKind of what it seems like.
galen, no one is ever going to answer this.do you know why? because the current pro-maul argument hinges upon the idea that maul and qui-gon are a match for TPM mace.
if it ever actually turns out that that cant be proven... then their entire point collapses.
so you will never get a source 👆
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Qui-Gon lasted a whopping 30 seconds in his last confrontation with Maul.And only a couple of seconds longer on tatooine. So yeah Maul is miles ahead of him.
I've already given you quotes that imply otherwise, you have pointlessly brought this back to square one with this argument. Your opinon of how a fight went is MEANINGLESS in face of canon. Its not a difficult thing to wrap your brain around. Until you can come up with some substantiation of your premise, then NO, Maul wasn't miles ahead of QGJ.
In the meantime: This stands (since its canon, and not your opinion).
"(QGJ) was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied. With quick, hard strokes of his lightsaber, he bored into his adversary, deliberately engaging in close-quarters combat, refusing to let the other bring his double-bladed weapon to bear. He drove Darth Maul backward about the rim of the overhang, keeping the Sith Lord constantly on the defensive, pressing in on him steadily. QGJ might no longer be young, but he was still powerful. Darth Maul's ragged face took on a frenzied look, and the glitter of his strange eyes brightened with uncertainty. ...
...Stroke for stroke, QG and Darth Maul battled about the rim of the melting pit, locked in a combat that seemed endless and forever and could be won by neither."
Originally posted by Q99
I think the Qui-Gon vs Mace stuff was from the New Essential Guide to Characters.A whopping 30 seconds after fighting him in one of the longest sustained combats in all of Star Wars.
Yeah with Obiwan's help for most of that time. And after Maul had taken a Huge hit landing flat on his back after falling 2 stories. Whilst Qui-Gon didnt seem to have any injuries, and had time to regain his stamine thorugh battle meditation.
And he wasnt gna last much longer on Tatooine. There was no long fight before that.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
galen, no one is ever going to answer this.do you know why? because the current pro-maul argument hinges upon the idea that maul and qui-gon are a match for TPM mace.
if it ever actually turns out that that cant be proven... then their entire point collapses.
so you will never get a source 👆
Actually iv given many arguments why Maul is miles above Greivous.
However the argument for Greivous has yet to be established. I dnt see it happening to be honest, because Greivous has got nothing that puts him in Maul's league.