Mace v Anakin

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It means that WE KNOW Dooku has outduelled Mace in the past, however we know of no instances where Mace outduelled Dooku, so going from factual information on the subject its at least 1-0 to Dooku.

We also have Dooku's showing against Yoda (X2), coupled with Mace's showing against Sidious, coupled with Dooku's defeat by Anakin, all of which overcome a SINGLE sparring match.

It also shows that since Yoda and Dooku were the only ones capable of outsparring Mace that they were probably the 2 best swordsmen in the Jedi order(not including mace).

So Dooku outduelling Mace doesnt even make Dooku on par with Mace??

Nice logic.

Where does it say they dueled? One sparring match does not an argument make. Once again, look at the Cav's-Bulls, or if bball isn't your thing, look at Tampa Bay beating the New Orleans saints.

One victory, when all other evidence indicates otherwise, doesn't make a superior fighter. Kenobi beat Maul. Superior fighter? You tell me.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It means that WE KNOW Dooku has outduelled Mace in the past, however we know of no instances where Mace outduelled Dooku, so going from factual information on the subject its at least 1-0 to Dooku.

It also shows that since Yoda and Dooku were the only ones capable of outsparring Mace that they were probably the 2 best swordsmen in the Jedi order(not including mace).

Nice logic.

Originally posted by truejedi
We also have Dooku's showing against Yoda (X2),

Irrelevant. Theres no evidence to show that Mace would fair any better against Yoda. And Yoda certainly felt Dooku fought very well against him. "Powerful you have become Dooku.... Fought well you have my former padawan.."

Not to mention when asked to spar by mace windu in schism Yoda says "Practice I had against Count Dooku, good enough for me that was." Suggesting theres nothing special Mace can offer Yoda in a sparring match that Dooku didnt give him in their fight.

Originally posted by truejedi
coupled with Mace's showing against Sidious,

Again Irrelevant due to 3 words. Super Conducting Loop. An advantage he wuldnt have against any light sider including Light Side Dooku when they sparred.

Originally posted by truejedi
coupled with Dooku's defeat by Anakin,

For a third time Irrelevant. Again theres no proof Mace wuldnt get beaten by "Zone" Anakin either who in Mace's own words was "arguably the most powerful jedi alive.."

Originally posted by truejedi
all of which overcome a SINGLE sparring match.

and when did you decide that there was only ONE sparring match when this happened. The quote certainly doesnt imply that, so stop making strange assumptions.

Originally posted by truejedi
Your logic doesn't work here. The Bulls beat the Cav's in game 3. Are they better than the Cav's?

So then stop being hypocritical using A>B>C arguments. Your the one who keeps bringing up Mace beating Sidious as evidence that Mace is Greater than Dooku.

Originally posted by truejedi
One victory, when all other evidence indicates otherwise, doesn't make a superior fighter. Kenobi beat Maul. Superior fighter? You tell me.

Again, where does it say ONE victory?? and if it is only ONE, then its ONE more than Mace has on Dooku.

What other evidence are you talking about apart from your A>B>C argument.

And Kenobi never outduelled Maul. If he did then there would be a good argument at Kenobi being a better duellist than Maul. But he didnt, and never could have during TPM era.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
I recall reading something stating that Mace and Dooku dueled (for real this time, not some friendly sparring contest) during the Clone Wars, and that Mace acquired the upper hand by "outmaneuvering" Count Dooku. Not sure exactly what source this is from, but I do recall reading it somewhere. So, there is evidence of Mace "outdueling" Dooku somewhere to be found. If anyone knows the source, please let me know. Thanks!

Iv never heard of this, but once Dooku embraced the Dark Side Vapaad's natural advantage over darksiders would certainly put the odds in Mace's favour. That doesnt neccessarily make Mace superior to Dooku.

Mace beat Sidious, but is certianly not his superior.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
its possible.

there is a reason for why mace is pretty much the #2 best jedi in the orders entire history which consists of thousands of years and millions of members.

Originally posted by truejedi
Your logic doesn't work here. The Bulls beat the Cav's in game 3. Are they better than the Cav's?

Originally posted by DrunknClockwork
You seriously believe that Mace as a child was already better than the whole Jedi Order except Yoda and Dooku? I mean...really? 😐

Why do you keep bringin up child? I haven't said a word about child.

I'm not really into US sports so I'm just assuming that the Bulls won the rest of the games. If that's the case then it's a really horrible analogy.
We actually DO know that the Bulls won the rest of the games (right?), it's FACT. There is no such fact for Windu beating Dooku even once to make up for his (at the very least, depends on the interpretation of the text passage) single loss.

In the case of the Saints and of the Bucs, they only played one time. The buc's won. For the season, New Orleans was 13-3 and won the super bowl. The Bucs were something like 3-13. They didn't play again, but all evidence points to the saints being better than the bucs.

This is a similar situation to the Mace-Dooku situation.

Originally posted by truejedi
Why do you keep bringin up child? I haven't said a word about child.

In the case of the Saints and of the Bucs, they only played one time. The buc's won. For the season, New Orleans was 13-3 and won the super bowl. The Bucs were something like 3-13. They didn't play again, but all evidence points to the saints being better than the bucs.

This is a similar situation to the Mace-Dooku situation.

But the problem with Dooku-Mace is: Dooku wasn't a bad Jedi Master, in fact Yoda called him THE best student the Jedi Order has EVER had (this was a statement from DR so that also includes Mace). So when someone like him beats Mace and Mace has really has no quotes going for him that he could really take on Dooku as of TPM, your sports-analogy doesn't quite work here.

Originally posted by DrunknClockwork
You seriously believe that Mace as a child was already better than the whole Jedi Order except Yoda and Dooku? I mean...really? 😐

is that what i said?

Why doesn't Mace get Shatterpoint? That's like taking Palpatine's lightning away...

Regardless, Mace wins, whether its Vader, Light Side Anakin, etc..

who are you 😐

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
who are you 😐

Don't you know? He's hawtsauce!

YouTube video

Someone who has produced more intelligence in his 11 posts than you have in your 4825.

you cant "produce" intelligence in the context that youre using it 😂

english isnt your first language is it?

Originally posted by Hawtsauce
Someone who has produced more intelligence in his 11 posts than you have in your 4825.

that one doesnt count because it was especially stupid 😂

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
is that what i said?

Originally posted by DrunknClockwork
So when you say that Yoda and Dooku beat him while he was still a child, doesn't that mean that Mace has never lost to any other Jedi Master (like Qui-Gonn in his physical prime) even during this time? 😐

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
its possible.

there is a reason for why mace is pretty much the #2 best jedi in the orders entire history which consists of thousands of years and millions of members.

Originally posted by Hawtsauce
Why doesn't Mace get Shatterpoint?

Because thats the rules the poster put. Maybe he doesnt want a speculative fight of how shatterpoint might or might not affect the fight.

Originally posted by Hawtsauce
That's like taking Palpatine's lightning away...

Not really. But hey if people want to dicuss a fight of how Palps would do without his FL against Mace or Yoda then why not?

Originally posted by Hawtsauce
Regardless, Mace wins, whether its Vader, Light Side Anakin, etc..

Light side Clone wars Anakin? Yes hed defo lose, but would put up a decent fight. He was able to match Dooku in Sabers anyway.

Dark Side Anakin during ROTS? Yeah hed also lose to Mace. Just not focused enough and too conflicted + obviously Vapaad's Super Conducting Loop would give Mace a huge advantage.

"Zone" Anakin ROTS (before getting visions of Padme dying)?
This was the most powerful, most focused and most controlled version of Anakin. Yeah I think he could take Mace, (with great difficulty). But once he "decided to win" that was it, he could own pretty much anyone. I wuldnt be surprised if he even gave Yoda a run for his money.

He was according to Mace and a couple of Council members possibly the most powerful jedi alive and the one most likely to be able to take down Sidious. They were of course assuming Anakin could control his power and replicate his feat over Count Dooku.

Originally posted by DrunknClockwork
So you haven't said that?

did you read my post? i cant find "mace was never defeated By anyone in his lifetime" in any of my posts...

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
did you read my post? i cant find "mace was never defeated By anyone in his lifetime" in any of my posts...

how does saying i think its possible mean that i think that thats what happened. 😐

my point was that one ambiguous quote leaves a ton of possibilities that are open to interpretation.