Comic Book Martial Artist Hierarchy

Originally posted by StyleTime
It's funny that people would rather vote 10+ people down, than simply move Superman up.

I'm not saying anything is wrong with it, I'm just sayin'.

ha-som

Superman is vastly overrated on this forum.

Also:

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Superman to third: 12 [Battlehammer, Jake, srank, Style, Omega, twigg, jalek, Spire, Phil, batdude, Pr, ODG] / 10 [Ize, jugg74, Q99, dmills, comicfan, RAGE, Kurupt, Blanket, MM, marwash]

Anyway some Punisher vs DD fights.

Ok heres some of Punishers fights with DD.

Punishers first fight with Daredevil...he wins. Punisher does shoot him but he clearly shows he’s a mtch for him in h2h but successfully fending off a surprise attack from DD

Fourth encounter that DD has with Punisher. Punisher didn’t actually lose the fight and let DD win. First heres the fight.

Ok heres the proof that Punisher let him win.

Note: DD took advantage that Punisher was lifting a man over his head and pressure pointed him. Despite this Punisher managed to hurt DD badly enough that he had to stop fighting briefly and was actually doing better than DD was before he decided to lose.

DD knocks down Punisher with a punch. Punisher gets up and stuns DD.

Another fight that Punisher has with DD, it ends with a stalemate.

Note: To be fair DD actually hurt himself when he elbowed Punisher in the chest but before the fight Punisher stated that he was sleepy and tired and needed 12 hours sleep.

Originally posted by StyleTime
It's funny that people would rather vote 10+ people down, than simply move Superman up.

I'm not saying anything is wrong with it, I'm just sayin'.

ha-som

Which was exactly my point from the very beginning. 😐

God I hate this place.

Last fight. No hes clearly not as skilled as DD but he does use some skill thats why hes second tier.

Originally posted by batdude123
Which was exactly my point from the very beginning. 😐

God I hate this place.

It has been expressed multiple times before the Superman vote came up that there were too many people in the second and third tiers. Feel proud that it was your tenacious arguments that Superman belonged in the same tier as Aquaman, Ares, Black Bolt, Beta Ray Bill, Doctor Doom, Dr Strange, Hercules, Kalibak,Lobo, Loki, Namor and Thor, that finally motivated people to put those feelings into action.

Originally posted by Ize19
It has been expressed multiple times before the Superman vote came up that there were too many people in the second and third tiers. Feel proud that it was your tenacious arguments that Superman belonged in the same tier as Aquaman, Ares, Black Bolt, Beta Ray Bill, Doctor Doom, Dr Strange, Hercules, Kalibak,Lobo, Loki, Namor and Thor, that finally motivated people to put those feelings into action.

Yea. "Everyone was being grouped into third" was a problem even without the whole Superman thing, the debate just brought it even more to light and made people realize, "Hey, we're putting people too high and too bunched up."

It's not a 'take that' against Clark.

Lol, right.

Of course this had nothing to do with Superman... facepalm

Originally posted by Deadline

Last fight. No hes clearly not as skilled as DD but he does use some skill thats why hes second tier.

My second favourite fight in all of comic history. This is what happens with two monsters throw down. No quarter and no pulled punches.

Originally posted by batdude123
Lol, right.

Of course this had nothing to do with Superman... facepalm

I wouldn't say nothing... but yea, it is not primarily about Superman.

quit cryin', Krypto-groupie.

The only tears are from laughter, hater.

Originally posted by batdude123
lmfao.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[b]VIII. SKILL

Doom's personal combat skills are prevalent in many of his fights. For instance, there are very few people who can wield Captain America's shield. Doom is among those few, as shown in Avengers #25:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSkill01Avengers25.jpg

While in Daredevil's body, he lays into his own henchmen who make the mistake of attacking him, from Daredevil #38
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSkill02Daredevil38.jpg

Doom studied swordsmanship with the greatest masters in Europe, as a student and then as their master, and easily outduels Krang, from Super-Villain Team-Up #13:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSkill03SVTU13.jpg

His H2H fighting skills are good enough to kill a lion with a single blow, from Doom #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSkill04Doom1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSkill05Doom1.jpg

He also demonstrates his knowledge of nerve strikes against humans in Doom #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSkill06Doom1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSkill07Doom1.jpg[/B]

Over in issues of X-Factor, Doom educates Layla Miller on how his technology records and analyzes the combat styles of his foes, from X-Factor #202:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomKnowledge21X-Factor202.jpg

Doom has also defeated skilled foes in H2H combat, e.g., Black Panther, Red Skull, Captain America. And while it's understandable that some skepticism may be placed on what advantages Doom's armor affords him in close-quarters combat -- but frankly, I don't see how anybody can deny Doom's H2H skill outside of his armor when he friggin one-shot nerve-blows an African lion, naked.

Who kills a lion without any powers, enhancements, and nothing but skill/agility and barehanded in one-shot? That's Batman-esq. Anybody here think a powerless Cyclops (a 4th tier) can do that? Or a powerless Colossus (a 4th tier)? Or a powerless She-Hulk, aka Jennifer Walters (another 4th tier)? Or a powerless Wonderman (yet another 4th tier)? Or a powerless Storm (another 4th tier)? Seriously?

Doom belongs in third tier.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
My second favourite fight in all of comic history. This is what happens with two monsters throw down. No quarter and no pulled punches.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
What is your first?

Barry Windsor-Smith's Wolverine vs Lady Deathstrike.

Wait, how is there a motion to push Ares (Marvel) down to fourth tier when there was already a motion to push Ares (Marvel) up to second tier?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Doom's also effortlessy punked T'Challa's hand-picked Dora Milaje, from Black Panther vol.5 #1-2:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsBlackPanther09.jpg

Over in issues of X-Factor, Doom educates Layla Miller on how his technology records and analyzes the combat styles of his foes, from X-Factor #202:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomKnowledge21X-Factor202.jpg

Doom has also defeated skilled foes in H2H combat, e.g., Black Panther, Red Skull, Captain America. And while it's understandable that some skepticism may be placed on what advantages Doom's armor affords him in close-quarters combat -- but frankly, I don't see how anybody can deny Doom's H2H skill outside of his armor when he friggin one-shot nerve-blows an African lion, naked.

Who kills a lion without any powers, enhancements, and nothing but skill/agility and barehanded in one-shot? That's Batman-esq. Anybody here think a powerless Cyclops (a 4th tier) can do that? Or a powerless Colossus (a 4th tier)? Or a powerless She-Hulk, aka Jennifer Walters (another 4th tier)? Or a powerless Wonderman (yet another 4th tier)? Or a powerless Storm (another 4th tier)? Seriously?

Doom belongs in third tier.

people sure love to post scans that have jack shit to do with martial arts ability. Ooooo, he one-shot a lion.... unless this lion was a trained martial artist, it means squat. That fact that he did it, implies skill, skill worthy of him being on the list... in the fourth tier.

I remain baffled how in one breath people can question Blade's skill in martial arts due to the fact that he hasn't really beaten anyone of quality, yet in the very next breath can praise Doom and Superman for possessing the very same flaw.

^ Clearly, because joe schmoes with no martial arts ability can fight lions barehanded. Killing a lion barehanded in a single blow actually has nothing to do with H2H fighting ability. Right. Clearly.

Doom's beaten Black Panther, punked his Dora Milaje, defeated Red Skull, punked Captain America. Not exactly people who aren't "of quality." And only srankmissingnin and AlmightyKfish voted to move Blade down, not myself, nor Trackz. Keep the arguments and the arguers straight if you're going to cast aspersions of hypocrisy. Or just be still.