Comic Book Martial Artist Hierarchy

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Clearly, because joe schmoes with no martial arts ability can fight lions barehanded. Killing a lion barehanded in a single blow actually has nothing to do with H2H fighting ability. Right. Clearly.

Doom's beaten Black Panther, punked his Dora Milaje, defeated Red Skull, punked Captain America. Not exactly people who aren't "of quality." And only srankmissingnin and AlmightyKfish voted to move Blade down, not myself, nor Trackz. Keep the arguments and the arguers straight if you're going to cast aspersions of hypocrisy. Or just be still.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Clearly, because joe schmoes with no martial arts ability can fight lions barehanded. Killing a lion barehanded in a single blow actually has nothing to do with H2H fighting ability. Right. Clearly.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Doom's beaten Black Panther, punked his Dora Milaje, defeated Red Skull, punked Captain America. Not exactly people who aren't "of quality."

I'll ask again, who has Doom beaten (of note), strictly due to his martial arts skill? Allow me to answer that... NO ONE!

Originally posted by The Pict
Edit: Also Mister X should be added to the list. Probably in Marvel's top 5 in terms of MA skill. Said he'd "mastered every terrestial martial arts discipline." And he even knows "Kree and Shi'ar unarmed combat techniques."
He punked Headsman with both hands behind his back. Caught a dagger thrown at him without even turning around. He's trained his reflexes so extensively he even caught a dart fired from a gun and used his swords to deflect a hail of bullets from Black Widow.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wait, how is there a motion to push Ares (Marvel) down to fourth tier when there was already a motion to push Ares (Marvel) up to second tier?

Originally posted by Deadline
When are you going to start acting like an ******* again and stop being so reasonable?

Notes:
-The voting system has been amended slightly, although for the most part a three-vote majority will generally apply.
Total Votes | Majority Needed
3-11 | 3-vote majority
12-16 | 4-vote majority
17-19 | 5-vote majority
20+ | 63% in favor/opposed

-Blade to third is defeated: 2 [srank, Kfish] / 6 [Deadline, jugg74, Trackz, marwash, snoop, Juk3n]

-The following will pass unless there's sufficient opposition before the next update (although the majorities are quite significant for most of them):
Lobo to fourth: 8 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, dmills, Q99, Kurupt, MM] / 0
Loki to fourth: 9 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, dmills, Q99, Bent, Kurupt, MM] / 1 [ODG]
Doctor Doom to fourth: 9 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, dmills, Q99, Bent, MM, Kurupt] / 3 [Jake, ODG, Trackz]
Beta Ray Bill to fourth: 8 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, dmills, Bent, Kurupt, MM] / 3 [Jake, ODG, Gecko]
Kalibak to fourth: 9 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, dmills, Kurupt, Q99, Bentley, MM] / 1 [Omega]
Aquaman to fourth: 8 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, Ize, Q99, MM, dmills] / 0
Black Bolt to fourth: 7 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, Ize, dmills, MM] / 1 [Gecko]
Dr Strange to fourth: 6 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, Q99, MM] / 1 [dmills]
Namor to fourth: 8 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, Ize, dmills, Q99, MM] / 1 [Gecko]
Robin (Damian) to fourth: 4 [marwash, X, MM, Battlehammer] / 0
Ares (Marvel) to fourth: 7 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, Bentley, MM, dmills] /
Nightcrawler to fourth: 7 [Spire, batdude, comicfan, dmills, marwash, Q99, MM] / 1 [battlehammer]
Thor to fourth: 7 [Spire, marwash, batdude, comicfan, Ize, dmills, MM] / 3 [ODG, Jake, Gecko]

-The following addition will be made in the next update unless there's opposition.
Mister Majestic to third: 5 [comicfan, Ize, Jake, dmills, Omega] / 0
Kang to third: 3 [Jake, Omega, Bentley] / 0
Master Izo to uber: 3 [Ize, dmills, srank] / 0

-There is one top tier Marvel slot currently open. I will be counting affirmative votes for the contenders only, as a vote for one is essentially a vote against the other.

-"Write-in votes" of other characters are also acceptable but without additional support they'll probably end up being discarded, as with Sabretooth, X23 etc. Although I can also tally "No votes" indicating you think neither deserves the top tier spot.

-I should note that movement of either Canary down without replacement will simply result in a vacant DC top tier slot.

Proposed Additions' Entry Points
Nemesis (Charis Adrastea) to second tier: 2 [comicfan, Style] /
Kanto to second tier: 2 [Omega, comicfan] /
Mera to third: 1 [Omega] / 1 [comicfan]
Tombstone to fourth: 1 [Omega] /
Juggernaut to fourth: 1 [Omega] /
Faora to second:1 [Omega] /
Savant (BoP) to second: 3 [marwash, Pr, Q99] / 1 [Konton]
King Snake to third: 1 [marwash] /
Master Po to uber: 2 [Ize, srank] /
Magog to third: 2 [MM, comicfan] /
Shado to fourth: 1 [marwash] /
Seven Deadly Brothers to ???: Prep-Man

Proposed Changes
Moon Knight to second: 7 [Trackz, dmills, Ize, llagrok, Fake McCoy, Deadline, Mungi] / 5 [Soljer, capt, endrict, Blanket, YFZ]
Gamora to uber: 9 [battlehammer, Spire, batdude, marwash, Ize, dmills, Q99, jalek, srank] / 7 [Kurupt, galactisishere, Tyrant, ODG, Blanket, Smurph, SuperiorTech]
Drakon to uber: 1 [Q99] / 3 [Juk3n, Pr, Konton]
Black Canary to second: 7 [Jake, Spire, Kurupt, MM, Omega, Pr, ODG] / 5 [batdude, marwash, srank, Konton, Q99]
Ares (Marvel) to second: 2 [ODG, comicfan] / 1 [jalek]
Gorgon to uber: 2 [srank, Trackz] / 2 [AlmightyK, Juk3n]
Drax to second: 3 [dmills, AlmightyK, Bentley] / 2 [Kurupt, Battlehammer]
Superman to third: 12 [Battlehammer, Jake, srank, Style, Omega, twigg, jalek, Spire, Phil, batdude, Pr, ODG] / 10 [Ize, jugg74, Q99, dmills, comicfan, RAGE, Kurupt, Blanket, MM, marwash]
Nick Fury to third: 2 [Juk3n, Q99] / 3 [Ize, jalek, battlehammer]
Blue Devil to third: 2 [MM, comicfan] / 0
Katana to second: 1 [marwash]
Prodigy to second: 1 [Trackz] /
Question to second: 1 [MM] / 1 [marwash]
Hercules to fourth: 6 [Spire, marwash, batdude, Ize, dmills, MM] / 4 [ODG, Jake, comicfan, jalek]

Nominations for the Marvel Top Tier slot:
Black Panther: 4 [comicfan, Trackz, Bentley]
Psylocke: 6 [Ize, Konton, dmills, srank, Omega, marwash]
Gorgon: 1 [Juk3n]

P.S. I don't think I've missed any votes, but if I have or have made any mistakes then let me know/repost them.

For Lobo, Loki, Doom, Bill, Kalibak, Aquaman, Black Bolt, Dr Strange, Namor, Thor to the fourth tier.
Against Damien to fourth tier.
Against King Snake to third.
For Black Canary to second.

I was responsible for a massive alteration to the list.

Yay me.

Yo yo yo, anyone else wanna bump Pun to second, c'mon people!

I'm for all for Punisher to second, but I think I already voted.

Can't remember.

For Punisher to second. He's - at the very least - as formidable as Crossbones and Nick Fury, by h2h showings alone.

For B.Canary to second.

Would also like to call to attention, the proposal of Gorgon - Tom Shishido - for the open Marvel Top tier slot. T'challa level with Nightwing..okay, i can live with that. Gorgon relegated to par with Nightwing and Bucky @_@ yeahuumNo. 😛

Originally posted by Juk3n
For Punisher to second. He's - at the very least - as formidable as Crossbones and Nick Fury, by h2h showings alone.

Yay!

X gets those Fing votes up now! 😠

You already know why I haven't added it to the proposed changes... ermm

You should get why I can't take your, MM's, ODG's and Juk3n's votes as a majority and exact a change, when a fortnight ago the proposal was defeated 4 (which incl. you and MM)/8.

At least wait until after the update of the hierarchy, since it will likely revamp the calibre of the third tier quite a lot imo.

Alternatively I can revive your previous proposal for his movement from a fortnight ago, I guess, and let that be built upon, and you can campaign for the change now then instead.

For reference, this was the proposal:
Punisher to second: 4 [YFZ, Deadline, Konton, MM] / 8 [Style, comicfan, Omega, Kurupt, marwash, batdude, Q99, iceman]
And it would stand at 6/8 with the two new votes.

If you prefer the latter option, I'll reinstate the proposal into the next update of the proposed changes.

Originally posted by marwash22
When was it that my hand went into motion to type that Doom had "no martial art ability"? I distinctly remember saying that he did have skill... skill worthy of attaining placement in the 4th tier. Please stop confusing the 4th tier with people who have absolutely no skill.

My lord! Please take hold of your neck and proceed to liberate head from ass. None of those victories were had via martial arts skill. Bane has beat the crap outta Batman, so by your logic, Bane is a better martial artist than batman?

I'll ask again, who has Doom beaten [b](of note), strictly due to his martial arts skill? Allow me to answer that... NO ONE! [/B]

All those victories had to do with H2H combat. Bane is competent enough to deal with Batman in H2H. Try less straw-manning, it might make you look less ignorant.

What do you think he did against Black Panther in his light armor suit, Red Skull, the Dora Milaje, and Cap? He had his armor fight for him? It's the character of Doom to be in his armor. When he's out of it, or doesn't rely on it and uses pure skill (as is plainly evident or outright stated), you oughtta pay attention instead of arbitrarily dismissing it. That would require a demonstration of less ignorance on your part. Surprise us.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You already know why I haven't added it to the proposed changes... ermm

You should get why I can't take your, MM's, ODG's and Juk3n's votes as a majority and exact a change, when a fortnight ago the proposal was defeated 4 (which incl. you and MM)/8.

At least wait until after the update of the hierarchy, since it will likely revamp the calibre of the third tier quite a lot imo.

Alternatively I can revive your previous proposal for his movement from a fortnight ago, I guess, and let that be built upon, and you can campaign for the change now then instead.

For reference, this was the proposal:
Punisher to second: 4 [YFZ, Deadline, Konton, MM] / 8 [Style, comicfan, Omega, Kurupt, marwash, batdude, Q99, iceman]
And it would stand at 6/8 with the two new votes.

If you prefer the latter option, I'll reinstate the proposal into the next update of the proposed changes.

I know im just messing with you. 😐

Originally posted by Deadline
I know im just messing with you. 😐

If you actually swear at me, I cut you.

But the question I posed, about whether you want to wait until after the hierarchy has its shake up before you propose a new move, or whether you want to re-add the old one and start presenting stuff for it now, still stands.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yeah I got that...

If you actually swear at me, I cut you.

But the question I posed, about whether you want to wait until after the hierarchy has its shake up before you propose a new move, or whether you want to re-add the old one and start presenting stuff for it now, still stands.

How long is this shake up gonna take? I was thinking I could campaign but until I get enough votes you don't need to alter anything....not sure if that makes any sense.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're seeing things that aren't there.

Superman is vastly overrated on this forum.

Originally posted by batdude123
Which was exactly my point from the very beginning. 😐

God I hate this place.

I'd weigh in on the 10+ change thing, but it appears as if it'll pass regardless. I'm too lazy to type their names write now anyway.

I'm for Punisher to 2nd.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah, you're probably right.

😂

I'd weigh in on the 10+ change thing, but it appears as if it'll pass regardless. I'm too lazy to type their names write now anyway.

Oiiiii!!!! You gonna vote Punisher for second????