Originally posted by PhilosophíaI'm arguing with you and I actually showed the following pages to the scan in question. You make it sound like Superman made a jump in skill level like Batman did from Batman: Year One to current Batman. And I'm misleading who now? Take your bald-faced accusations and stow it. Your shift in accusing me from not knowing what era that scene took place to accusing me of overtly misleading people was nothing but a deflection so poor, it is worthy of being called a quaneuver, straight up.
You've mislead people for the simple fact that you didn't mention the context in which that scene took place, which is very relevant since it takes place at an early point of Superman's career, before he gathered the immense amount of experience and battle skill throughout training with the best.But like I've already said, that's not the hilarious part. You using Batman calling Superman early in his career an amateur, and then ignoring everything else, included the experience, training and skill showings Superman has demonstrated afterwards, so that you can say "Doom/Thor/Loki would never be called amateurs!! For that reason, they are > Superman!" is the truly dramatically sad part.
And Superman's still an amateur. That's what you don't get. Nobody's going to place Clark Kent surrounded by dozens of goons with guns and expect him to be flipping around and knocking them all silly without being hurt himself. That's standard street-level, third tier MA skill fare. Cobbling several pressure point feats together to the point where you still can't make a convincing case that Superman can achieve standard street-level fair doesn't serve to prove your case. All it does is provide a red herring for it.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaYou brought it up as a rebuttal to Superman being an amateur. He still is. And unless you want to paint every single Asgardian/Olympian as not being amateurs on a martial artist hierarchy because they have several times more years worth of fighting experience than Superman, than you've proven nothing but your capacity to cling onto red herrings for all their worth. What exactly were you relying on other than what looked like "big numbers" when addressing me -- numbers that are actually laughable when we consider the ordinary run-of-the-mill Asgardian/Olympian, let alone the greatest fighters amongst those pantheons?
Well, if you'd actually be capable (which I like to think you are, this discussion notwithstanding) of following what's being discussed, you'd realize that the 1000 years experience wasn't used in order to show that he is superior to the characters you've brought up, which is why I haven't used as evidence when I directly adressed them. It was used as just one of the multitude of evidence to dispute the notion that Superman hasn't become far better since the laughable instance you're using to downplay him(the "being called an amateur by Batman" one).Is something wrong with your display, or are you actually lying in my face, when it's quite obvious that the parademons showing was far from the only argument I used, much less being the one I was basing my entire stance on, since it's one of the less-impressive displays? I wish I'd say that's funny, but it's just pathetic.
I was under the impression that you were referring to Superman using his makeshift staff against Parademons as a weaponskill showing. As it stands, Superman's got nothing. A MASSIVE difference from the characters you're trying to compare him to.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaMongul is an expert combatant? lolwut? Just because he tutored Superman and revealed how much of an amateur Clark was with his own Kryptonian powers doesn't make Mongul an expert combatant. Stop reverse-projecting.
I've brought up pressure point strikes to instantly KO or induce paralysis, the training he's received at the hands of various expert combatants, including the likes of Batman and Mongul or him outfighting a master martial artist in Bruce's body, and you're going "Superman beating Parademns matches them? lolwut?"I'm done with this.
Clearly you weren't last time. But as it stands, you haven't offered anything new other than, "These are skill feats that show he's not an amateur, e.g., pressure pointing idiots/jobbers who underestimated his skill, several times less combat experience than your average schnook Asgardian/Olympian." So yes, you are done. And Clark Kent's still an amateur. And when compared to the cases people and myself will build for the other characters, it will become inimitably more clear.
