Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The most Protego will do is block saber attacks and force lightning.Force choke and others? Not even worth discussing, no way to prove yes or no, so we must assume not.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yeah... shame about the Protego charm not blocking a Lightsaber blade though. Hope Harry's got superhuman reflexes to block it with his... neck.
Protego has been shown to block single bursts of energy. Each time that Harry or Ginny are the target of a spell, they have to cast Protego again. (They move their wands separately for each incoming attack.)
Vader's weapon is a bar of energy that is constantly threatening. Thus, a single instant of contact might be blocked by Protego, but unless you can show some level of repulsive force, the lightsaber will remain in place and will remain a threat. Protego might shield Harry from the cutting effects for a moment, but the threat is persistent. Nothing suggests that Protego is equally long lived.
Originally posted by Rogue JediWatch Admiral Ozzel being suffocated to death from a television screen while a merry conversation about
LOL nah, Harry casts spells fast as hell, watch the sectumsempra vid. Vader'll be hit before the force choke takes hold.
Originally posted by truejedi
"she was freaking out from the git-go"Is SERIOUSLY your argument that Vader won't fight back in over 90 seconds? That's terrible. Absolutely terrible.
Do better.
Vader is a cold blooded, even headed killer. When put into a spin in his TIE fighter he wasn't panicked, he was barely even in a rush to fix it.
While Harry is busy looking constipated in order to get the magic "flowing" he finds his second and third vertebrae becoming less and less friendly.
exactly, potter is going to keep his wits about him while being choked and cast non-verbal spells, but VADER (FREAKING LIFELONG COMBATANT AND DARK LORD OF THE SITH) will freak out too much by an inflation spell that he won't fight back for over a minute and a half?
Be honest for just a moment RJ, you aren't bringing any bit of balance to this thread. If you can read that last paragraph and say you stand by those two arguments, you are saying that Harry Potter is more likely to keep a calm head in combat than Darth Vader.
Originally posted by ZampanóNah, force choke is never shown killing instantly.
agreed.Vader is a cold blooded, even headed killer. When put into a spin in his TIE fighter he wasn't panicked, he was barely even in a rush to fix it.
While Harry is busy looking constipated in order to get the magic "flowing" he finds his second and third vertebrae becoming less and less friendly.
Screen feats only, MVF rules.
Originally posted by Lord LucienAs I said, Harry casts spells faster than the force choke takes hold. Watch the sectumsempra vid.
Watch Admiral Ozzel being suffocated to death from a television screen while a merry conversation aboutbiscuitscommand takes place. Vader doesn't even need to actually be there to kill Harry with his mind. And he won't be opting for the slow torturous route here. I hope Harry has the mental fortitude to keep his wits while his windpipe's being broken apart.
Originally posted by ZampanóI agree harry isn't cut out for someone with vader's abilities or cold blooded demeanor. In a vs. forum he gets killed and rather quickly.
agreed.Vader is a cold blooded, even headed killer. When put into a spin in his TIE fighter he wasn't panicked, he was barely even in a rush to fix it.
While Harry is busy looking constipated in order to get the magic "flowing" he finds his second and third vertebrae becoming less and less friendly.
One thing I would like to argue though and I am sure there's already a thread concerning this is maul vs. vader.
Anyone care to bump it ?
spells that we already pointed out can be blocked. If Sectumsempra (which i did watch, stop telling me too) can be dodged by 2 adolescent boys, it can be dodged by a jedi with precog and force speed.
Its a bad argument. Seriously. You are being ridiculously biased here to claim that Potter, without precog, can physically dodge an attack faster than a jedi.
Nah, force choke is never shown killing instantly.Screen feats only, MVF rules.
Originally posted by truejediSectumsempra wasn't dodged.
spells that we already pointed out can be blocked. If Sectumsempra (which i did watch, stop telling me too) can be dodged by 2 adolescent boys, it can be dodged by a jedi with precog and force speed.Its a bad argument. Seriously. You are being ridiculously biased here to claim that Potter, without precog, can physically dodge an attack faster than a jedi.
All I'm saying is that Harry casts spells faster than Vader casts force attacks. I've got video evidence to back it up, what have you got?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi"Faster" than grip takes place? It takes place instantaneously, which is a lot faster than the time it takes for Harry to cast a spell. He does not have the constitution to keep a clear head while some strange brand of wandless magic is very quickly breaking his neck and crushing his windpipe. He can Sectumsempra all he wants, but with his rapidly breaking body and panicked mind, he won't even be able to aim it properly.
Nah, force choke is never shown killing instantly.Screen feats only, MVF rules.
As I said, Harry casts spells faster than the force choke takes hold. Watch the sectumsempra vid.
Originally posted by Zampanó
I'm familiar with the rules, thank you. My point stands. As Harry is busy "amping up" for any kind of wandless magic, Vader can initiate and complete his Force choke. Nothing outside of screen feats is required. (The description of vertebrae was mere imagery, not a novel assertion.)
Amping up? He raises his wand and the spell comes out. Even if Vader grabs ahold of Harry with force choke, it'll take him a while to kill him. Harry has all the time in the world to cast a non verbal spell.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sectumsempra wasn't dodged.All I'm saying is that Harry casts spells faster than Vader casts force attacks. I've got video evidence to back it up, what have you got?
i used your own video to show both boys dodging said spells. Do you have any evidence that doesn't butcher your own argument quite so much?
And I guess lack of answer I can take as a concession on the ridiculous Inflation bit?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sectumsempra wasn't dodged.All I'm saying is that Harry casts spells faster than Vader casts force attacks. I've got video evidence to back it up, what have you got?
Vader is unlikely to be hit by any one of Harry's attacks. His precognitive awareness gives him the advantage necessary to evade the spells, and Vader's own attack cannot be blocked by Harry's own magic. Force Choke does not take very long to initiate, and as soon as it begins Harry will be rendered useless.
Originally posted by ZampanóRendered useless how? He can still move his hands. One flick of the wand and Vader's done.
The fact that it isn't a contest to see which attack is fired first.Vader is unlikely to be hit by any one of Harry's attacks. His precognitive awareness gives him the advantage necessary to evade the spells, and Vader's own attack cannot be blocked by Harry's own magic. Force Choke does not take very long to initiate, and as soon as it begins Harry will be rendered useless.
Force choke against a wizard is a death sentence for a force user.
Originally posted by Rogue JediSo you think that because Vader isn't shown gripping harder than he does, that he can't? Wow, very nice. It's like saying Harry can't use any spell that he's never shown to do so in the movie. Please, you know better than that. Vader effortlessly, and without his hands to direct, rips apart metal protrusions from the wall. Gripping a human's neck tighter is a cakewalk for him.
Amping up? He raises his wand and the spell comes out. Even if Vader grabs ahold of Harry with force choke, it'll take him a while to kill him. Harry has all the time in the world to cast a non verbal spell.