LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by BloodRain
You could always check this out in the meantime, see what you find there. If more then one person has an idea on something and have good reasons for why then its fair game for it to get discussed. Unless its a Tyranitar vs Nidoking thread ^^

Heh.

I hereby decree that BloodRain, with his quip and sharpness, is the Games VS forum's Wise-ass.

Nah, i've seen better here. In all you say solved but there are so many things wrong with theses solved things.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What about the rest of the council?

Sure the gameplay has changed dramatically but the actual characters are the same, including what they have done. You cant ignore it just because it got old can you? ofc not...but I was refering to the soul reavers powers which were evident in that game.

It emits blasts on strike, it explodes when he raises it in the air, my point being is that unlike Ganons sword and the Mastersword which are pretty much just piecies of metal, the latter enhanced some to harm evil, the Soul reaver has a vast number of capabilities.

Not quite true, Kratos, Dante sure, but link? nah. And I would argue that it would be easier for Kain to kill an army of weaker opponents (especially those of flesh and spirit) than it would be to defeat a single powerful opponent. If youve played Defiance you know that almost all of Kains reaver attacks expel AOE's around him as he finishes the last combo.

I am not "jumping inside the character", I am simply pointing out that Kain has vastly more tactical skill than I would and even I can see how using the powers i listed would make him nigh unstoppable on this field.

But he did not face off against them is my point, after the initial sword Tk they did [b]nothing, if they all teleported around, blasted him with magic and such then perhaps it would be impressive.

Not one who can transform into mist, regenerate at quick speeds (faster while drinking blood) and teleport. Remember Kain can even transform into bats to relocate the battlefield or turn into a werewolf if he wants.

I doubt even 10 tons, Links bodyweight could ont have taken it even with the boots on. Same with the other guy who gave Link the boots, they both overpowered Goron weight/strength and the only trick was strapping iron to your feet. Also I dont think I have seen any source that actually says their made of solid rock and are solid themselves. [/B]

I ignored it because Kain hasn't used those types of powers since then. It's a completely different game and time for Kain and he's changed big time since then so I go by what happened blood omen 2 an don since it's stayed mainly consistent to what he is capable of since then.

No, it doesn't. it can blast but has has hit plenty of foes before without blasting them. No, those swords aren't just pieces of metal and we aren't getting into whose sword can destroy the other ones as that's just useless speculation. Both can block the other person's sword and it comes down to who inflicts more damage and hits the other one.

How can you say Link hasn't when we've seen him destroy entire forces just like Kain throughout the course of the game. Quit focusing on gameplay it's about as ridiculous as onebomb arrow being thought to be able to take out Kain.

He isn't nigh unstoppable and has never been portrayed as such. he's a badass no question about it but so's raziel, Link, and ganondorf. I give Kain the advantage here but it's very close.

The mages used the mirror to banish him which was impressive considering how easily he killed one of the mages after having a sword impaled inside of him.

This is part 5 alone so he isn't turning into any wolf let's leave out his list of abilities from part 1 and focus on what's in character for him from this game.

Dammit, now I have reading to do. >_>

Time to clear up the Zelda BS.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Raziel could throw him around with TK blasts that were fairly weak, however. Ganondorf's TK has passively

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levitated castles

in OoT.

That's not TK at all.

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The fact that the castle didn't go down when Ganondorf vomited blood and the fact that used his last magic power to bring the castle down contradicts your ridiculous idea.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also, TP Link is stronger than OoT Link,

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even with the gauntlets.

More lies. TP Link never lifted anything as heavy as the

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huge pillar and Fyrus weighs less than that.

TP Link stops Ganon in his beast form, and sword locks his gerudo form, without amps. @_@ Ganon is even stronger than OoT Link.

TP Link didn't stop Ganon. That was Midna. Also I doubt OoT Ganon is anywhere as strong as you claim him to be.

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For one, the Golden Gauntlets show no effect in gameplay outside of lifting huge pillars. Destroying castle debris doesn't make him Class 100.

So, OoT feats are actually less than what TP is capable of. We know

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Ganon is stronger because he disarms Link in a cutscene in OoT.

Link was caught off guard and the little scene even proves that.

He can cut arrows out of the air

When has he done this? Gameplay?

Don't act like you know things Sin.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Don't act like you know things Sin.

I don't pull out crazy ideas out of gameplay. Does Solid Snake have superstrength because of all the items he can carry in gameplay?

Can Naked Snake survive 10 headshots as long as pulls out the bullets with a knife and apply disinfect and bandages?

Can Duke Nukem outrun antigravity vehicles because he does so in gameplay?

TP Link restarts to a previous point when he falls in lava. Does that mean he has teleportation?

Is Calliope superhuman because Kratos struggled to get her off but was able to pull down a house-sized Hydra head?

Can Tyranitar tank a Machamp's Cross Chop without any damage just because its pokedex claims it can survive any attack?

Does Nariko have telekinesis just because the player can control the direction of her projectiles?

As I see it, pulverizing castle debris that most likely weighs way over 100 tons is good enough to consider someone at that strength class.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Normal Gorons would be about that rock or less. They're not 100% solid, makes little to no sense. Throwing 60 is about right when you look back at base OoTLink being in the 50 ton area.

>_>

Also, Dangoro's diameter is around 14 feet, that's far larger than 1.8 meters. *cough*.

^^Please put spoilers up next time and warn me. I didn't really look at it but this thread is only about tp Link so what another Link does has no bearing anyways in this thread.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
That's not TK at all.

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The fact that the castle didn't go down when Ganondorf vomited blood and the fact that used his last magic power to bring the castle down contradicts your ridiculous idea.

This would completely refute Spinda, if it were only the castle that Ganondorf somehow levitated. There is this rather large pierce of land that the castle also rests on.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
More lies. TP Link never lifted anything as heavy as the

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huge pillar and Fyrus weighs less than that.

TP Link couldn't even lift Fyrus.

Hmm...could it be because Fyrus was on fire?

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
TP Link didn't stop Ganon. That was Midna. Also I doubt OoT Ganon is anywhere as strong as you claim him to be.

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For one, the Golden Gauntlets show no effect in gameplay outside of lifting huge pillars. Destroying castle debris doesn't make him Class 100.

.

Do explain to me why Wolf Link slides backwards when it is only Midna's doing.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Unenhanced OoT Link is a 60 tonner?

>_>

Also, Dangoro's diameter is around 14 feet, that's far larger than 1.8 meters. *cough*.

What is this supposed to be again?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What is this supposed to be again?

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forces that large bit of stone to move, with the megaton hammer. (Which is stated to be heavy, not magicly move shit by way of magic, in it's description, no vagueness.) This is before he has any gauntlets at all.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/ShinTwist_ScreamPaste/firepillar.jpg

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

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Unenhanced OoT Link is a 60 tonner?
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/ShinTwist_ScreamPaste/firepillar2.jpg

>_>

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The Megaton Hammer is similar to the sledge hammer in Red Faction. (which can be wielded by a normal human and easily knock down street lights and send vehicles flying.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
This would completely refute Spinda, if it were only the castle that Ganondorf somehow levitated. There is this rather large pierce of land that the castle also rests on.

It's called magic.

Hmm...could it be because Fyrus was on fire?

Link was only able to pull its legs. He never yanked it so he can fall violently.

Do explain to me why Wolf Link slides backwards when it is only Midna's doing.

The same reason why Link needs Iron Boots to do his strength feats.

With the Megaton Hammer, don't know what's happening in that scene but its still hammering something down. A heavy hammer with Links strength mentioned before, don't see how its not possible. And I remember you saying he had the Silver Gauntlets on?

Checked it, when he roll's up he's twice Links size. Makes him a 63 ton rock 'if' he was 100% solid.

^^Exactly. He needs the boots to perform the feats while using his sumo training. There was never anything made about Link being incredibly strong only he needed to learn certain skills to progress throughout the game.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia

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The Megaton Hammer is similar to the sledge hammer in Red Faction. (which can be wielded by a normal human and easily knock down street lights and send vehicles flying.

It has nothing to do with superstrength.

It's called magic.

Link was only able to pull its legs. He never yanked it so he can fall violently.

The same reason why Link needs Iron Boots to do his strength feats.

Ganon's TK is magic based, so?

His boots were magneticly attached to the floor, and without them he'd be too light to achieve anything, so, no he couldn't just run while holding Fyrus' chain, but he can be seen overpowering Fyrus while still a comparative weakling to his end game self. 🙂

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I don't pull out crazy ideas out of gameplay. Does Solid Snake have superstrength because of all the items he can carry in gameplay?

Lol. Find me when I ever suggested something like this seriously.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Can Naked Snake survive 10 headshots as long as pulls out the bullets with a knife and apply disinfect and bandages?

I don't even play MGS, so I don't really give a shit.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Can Duke Nukem outrun antigravity vehicles because he does so in gameplay?

No, because he does it in gameplay. You answered your own question. For some reason you think I would say shit like this despite my never doing so. You can tell me I'm wrong and stupid for saying shit like this when and if I actually do it, not before.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
TP Link restarts to a previous point when he falls in lava. Does that mean he has teleportation?

Hah, more of the same.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Is Calliope superhuman because Kratos struggled to get her off but was able to pull down a house-sized Hydra head?

Don't play GoW, don't give a shit.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Can Tyranitar tank a Machamp's Cross Chop without any damage just because its pokedex claims it can survive any attack?

No. I deliberately avoid using shit like that because it's a no limit fallacy.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Does Nariko have telekinesis just because the player can control the direction of her projectiles?

Don't care.

Originally posted by BloodRain
With the Megaton Hammer, don't know what's happening in that scene but its still hammering something down and I remember you saying he had the Silver Gauntlets on?

Checked it, when he roll's up he's twice Links size. Makes him a 63 ton rock 'if' he was 100% solid.

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the silver gauntlets until the spirit temple. 😐

I also checked. >_>

Originally posted by quanchi112
^^Exactly. He needs the boots to perform the feats while using his sumo training. There was never anything made about Link being incredibly strong only he needed to learn certain skills to progress throughout the game.