LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, meaning without the boots he cannot do so and would be ran right over. I guess Kratos' feat while resisting Cronos' fingers defies physics, right? Creators don't take physics into consideration most of the time and it doesn't need to add up.

Very good, but for some reason you still think this makes him weak.

You say you understand the context of the feat, and you lie. It is clear that the creators actually did take physics into consideration. That's why you need the weight to stop the rolling Goron. Without physics in mind, there's no other logical reason to require the Iron Boots for said action.

Yes, he's strong but nowhere near Kain level. Kain also lifts blocks and what not but in comparison to human beings he's well beyond them whereas Link isn't.

No, it hasn't been proven and the mere fact Link can barely move while holding his ball and chain while the enemy who wielded it did so with general ease this should tell you something.

He only throws Gorons because of the iron boots. Context is everything.

Physics don't apply to fictional universes not do their feats have to make sense. Is this really what you think when reading a comic or playing a video game is that they made it line up with physics of our reality?

Ripping out hearts, tossing his foe around a considerable distance without any real effort should be proof enough.

Bob did when hence the respect he got. Only a Link fanatic would claim Bo didn't win and continually misrepresent evidence to exaggerate Link's feats which were subpar at best.

Yes, but where in tp did the triforce solo an entire army by itself? Please where did I miss it?

You can't prove that and it's hearsay. We do know Kain can rip people's hearts out can Link?

LOL, you call him weak when we see Link get crushed over by Yeta, struggle to lift a ball and chain, and fly off shrubs when a spider touches him.

You exaggerate every single feat out there. Nothing you say is even close to how it is portrayed so I could care less what you say as it's completely biased towards one side.

Triforce > LoK.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He only struggles because it's fighting back or trying to resist.

Exactly. According to your own reasoning, this means that a Minotaur which has no strength feats aside from being larger than a normal human and wielding an axe, is strong enough to stop Kratos.

Because it isn't just a simple animation. Clearly this in addition to struggling to rip the head off a gorgon has some higher meaning despite later and earlier showings of incredible strength.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, meaning without the boots he cannot do so and would be ran right over. I guess Kratos' feat while resisting Cronos' fingers defies physics, right? Creators don't take physics into consideration most of the time and it doesn't need to add up.

^Quanchi logic^

Originally posted by quanchi112
He only struggles because it's fighting back or trying to resist. He's a lot stronger than Link in every sense of the word. The way he climbs something, the manner in which he kills, his boss battles, and he's a lot more skilled than Link.

Link has no chance whatsoever from tp to compare to Kratos in any sense of the word.

''Well it's true... I dd defeat the Gorons in a contest of strength and earned their trust... with the help of a little secret.'' -Bo

I don't think the actual argument of who wins has been touched yet, only hat Kain can do and is Link strong. Hmm.

Originally posted by BloodRain
''Well it's true... I dd defeat the Gorons in a contest of strength and earned their trust... with the help of a little secret.'' -Bo

I don't think the actual argument of who wins has been touched yet, only hat Kain can do and is Link strong. Hmm.

Edit: The who wins thing was covered as soon as Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf were all in the same thread. Triforce ftw.

There isn't even anything in LoK that can defeat Ganondorf, let alone kill him.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Yes, meaning without the boots he cannot do so and would be ran right over.

Why do you keep saying this when I have some damn fine VIDEO EVIDENCE that proves otherwise?

Once again, I submit for consideration, Link hitting a Goron without being run over. Without Iron Boots.

YouTube video

It's still at 1:20. Link still nearly stops it, and he still wouldn't need the Iron Boots if there was more room.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Very good, but for some reason you still think this makes him weak.

You say you understand the context of the feat, and you lie. It is clear that the creators actually did take physics into consideration. That's why you need the weight to stop the rolling Goron. Without physics in mind, there's no other logical reason to require the Iron Boots for said action.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol'd. Here's the problem. Kain has no feats anywhere close to Link's level, and therefore, is not as strong as Link, period. Link is well beyond humans, too. Pushes giant blocks, throws Gorons, ect.

Gameplay mechanics, by this logic Kratos struggles to open doors.
Being heavy makes you stronger? Gee, I guess my work boots are the onyl reas on I can lift patio slabs and shovel dirt.

Not all comic writers give a damn about physics, Nintendo apparently do, this is the entire reason for the Iron Boots existence. They understand no matter how strong you are, stopping a Goron is [b]impossible with human weight. You think just because a character occasionally does something that is impossible by fridge logic instantly gains reality warping powers from a slight discrepancy? No. Laws of physics apply, period. Go argue with Newton or something.

Things Link could do with insane ease.
Quote proving Bo won a match? I never saw one. you're assuming.

Well, considering a fraction of Ganon's power, a single piece of the triforce did, the entire thing will have no problem. Are you going to ignore canon power of an artifact?
With insane ease if he wasn't a good guy. 😐 You do realise how astrong you have to be to throw a Goron, yes? This is not something Kain could do, even with the iron boots.

All occured in gameplay, sort of like Kain being owned by normal humans. 🙂 Also a spider the size of a tectite would have strength comparable to say, spiderman. Just saying. Also, Dumah, a vampire stronger and more durable than Kain physicly? He was impaled by normal men in canon. 🙂

I could easily say the same of you, except then I add in how determined you are to downplay feats and ignore evidence. uhuh Also, it's not my fault you made a thread that was so horribly in Zelda's favour. 😛

Triforce > LoK. [/B]

False, it shows Link isn't the badass you think he is nor is he handled that way throughout the cinemas and he gets pushed around rather easily by Yeto.

Being heavy makes you able to stop a goron. Being heavy makes you able to wrestle them in a sumo battle and without the boots he can't even hope to compete. Don't be sore at me because I am right and you're not.

False, it's a fictional universe and nintendo doesn't apply physics to every feat or occurrence in their world. You failing to realize this shows how naive you are.

Based on what can Link tear a man's heart out through his armor? Please provide evidence to suggest he can do so.

Uhm, you're wrong I am right. Bo did beat them so it looks like once again quan shows you up on tp. The funny thing is your stance never made any real sense like they would respect someone they beat. In the game they only let you through after you beat him not after you lose a close matchup. Use some common sense.

Yes, just like I am going to ignore Kain being unkillable with the soul reaver. You are just like bt only the reverse. It wasn't done in this game nor was it ever alluded to so it's a no go.

You need the boots to do so just like you need the boots to beat him in a match. His boots won't aid him rip out a heart so I don't see him being able to do so playing through the game it's also ludicrous to assume he can.

A bunch of normal men just like a bunch of normal men could kill Link in the proper setting and if they impaled him he'd die. Kain can jump incredible distances whereas Link can't. Kain is more athletic than any man whereas Link isn't. He's just skilled, equipped, and trained to do what needs done in his realm.

I will let you know about oot if it portrays them as more powerful than tp but so far nosgoth seems like a much deadlier place than hyrule.

I don't think it's important whether Link needs gear or not. He busted ass for his gear just like another would bust ass for a new power.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Exactly. According to your own reasoning, this means that a Minotaur which has no strength feats aside from being larger than a normal human and wielding an axe, is strong enough to stop Kratos.

Because it isn't just a simple animation. Clearly this in addition to struggling to rip the head off a gorgon has some higher meaning despite later and earlier showings of incredible strength.

It isn't a simple gameplay animation it's Link using a weapon not an enemy resisting anything. When Link uses the ball and chain he's barely strong enough to move and throw it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kratos can only overpower things because of his Spartan training.

^Quanchi logic^
A minotaur is not stronger than Link in any sense of the word, for starters, it's an ant by comparison. Kratos struggles to force a dagger blowjob on it in gameplay, that makes him weak? Only by your logic, when Kratos has far better showings.

You're confusing what it is I am saying the game will force you to do so and Kratos succeeds whereas Link struggles wielding certain weapons as to show how strong he really is.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
There isn't even anything in LoK that can defeat Ganondorf, let alone kill him.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Why do you keep saying this when I have some damn fine [B]VIDEO EVIDENCE that proves otherwise?

Once again, I submit for consideration, Link hitting a Goron without being run over. Without Iron Boots.

YouTube video

It's still at 1:20. Link still nearly stops it, and he still wouldn't need the Iron Boots if there was more room. [/B]

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I don't think it's important whether Link needs gear or not. He busted ass for his gear just like another would bust ass for a new power.

I disagree. Trails have to be overcome to claim such strength, and therefore I believe it is legitimate. Link is pretty incredible without items, but to deny his gear is to deny the character.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Except he isn't strong enough to stop Kratos nor is he anywhere as deadly as Kratos actually strikes fear into Zeus himself.

It isn't a simple gameplay animation it's Link using a weapon not an enemy resisting anything. When Link uses the ball and chain he's barely strong enough to move and throw it.

You miss the point, not surprising. The point is that it's stupid to say such things when the characters show much greater feats. Link tossing Dangoro and Kratos with the Hydra.

You keep thinking that. Trust me, some day all your wishing will make that true!

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is he needed the actual weight to achieve the feat so this isn't impressive at all because he needs gear to pull it off.

Requiring weight doesn't mean he's weak. Why this makes it unimpressive to you I doubt I'll ever know. Not really sure I want to know, though.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I disagree. Trails have to be overcome to claim such strength, and therefore I believe it is legitimate. Link is pretty incredible without items, but to deny his gear is to deny the character.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is he needed the actual weight to achieve the feat so this isn't impressive at all because he needs gear to pull it off.

Stop ignoring the point. You are ignoring the fact that Link did not need the Iron Boots to stop the Goron, and he did not need them to pick it up and toss it. Stop saying he needs the boots to pull off the feat when the video clearly shows therwise.

Link picked up the Goron and tossed it, with no assistence from the Iron Boots. Stop ignoring that part of the feat.

He throws them in their ball state whereas Bo has outwrestled them as well and so has Link proving you need to have the skills necessary and the boots for these feats. You cannot use feats as evidence of his strength superiority since he couldn't do those feats without gear.

I have said it before, at least three times. Stop ignoring it. In order for Bo to have defeated a Goron, he needed to push it a maximum of 5-6 feet. That's much less impressive than Link stopping a Goron in motion and tossing it over 15 feet, and that on a Goron at least three times as large as average and covered in metal armor.

False, it shows Link isn't the badass you think he is nor is he handled that way throughout the cinemas and he gets pushed around rather easily by Yeto.

He is pushed around by Yeto because he is light. You're cherry picking your evidence. Link was not fighting Yeto, nor was he even preparing. Yeto would have tossed Kratos in the same situation, because Yeto can toss anything of roughly human weight.

Being heavy makes you able to stop a goron. Being heavy makes you able to wrestle them in a sumo battle and without the boots he can't even hope to compete. Don't be sore at me because I am right and you're not.

Being heavy makes stopping a Goron easier. It does help you to pick one up and toss it, nor does it help you not break your arms when it hits you. Once again you're ignoring clear video evidence of Link nearly stoppoing a Goron. I doubt Scream is sore, he is likely just growing impatient.

False, it's a fictional universe and nintendo doesn't apply physics to every feat or occurrence in their world. You failing to realize this shows how naive you are.

They are clearly in effect in this case, however, where it matters.

Based on what can Link tear a man's heart out through his armor? Please provide evidence to suggest he can do so.

Based on the fact that he can pick up and toss a large Goron. There's even a video of him doing it.

YouTube video

Uhm, you're wrong I am right. Bo did beat them so it looks like once again quan shows you up on tp. The funny thing is your stance never made any real sense like they would respect someone they beat. In the game they only let you through after you beat him not after you lose a close matchup. Use some common sense.

Winning isn't necessary to gain respect. A hard fought loss was still hard fought. Regardless, there is a massive difference between Bo's feat and Link's feat. And did we ever stop to think that maybe Bo is abnormally strong? The man has freaking tusks.

Yes, just like I am going to ignore Kain being unkillable with the soul reaver. You are just like bt only the reverse. It wasn't done in this game nor was it ever alluded to so it's a no go.

Zelda pulled it off in Minish Cap using the Mage's Cap. The Mage's Cap, source of Vaati's power, pales in comparison to Ganon's, which is the Triforce of Power. Via a little logic, it would be simple to conclude that Ganon can pull off a single genocide.

You need the boots to do so just like you need the boots to beat him in a match. His boots won't aid him rip out a heart so I don't see him being able to do so playing through the game it's also ludicrous to assume he can.

He is strong enough to do it, but doesn't because he's sort of a hero. He doesn't need the boots, since he's strong enough on his own.

A bunch of normal men just like a bunch of normal men could kill Link in the proper setting and if they impaled him he'd die. Kain can jump incredible distances whereas Link can't. Kain is more athletic than any man whereas Link isn't. He's just skilled, equipped, and trained to do what needs done in his realm.

I doubt a "handful" would take Link out. Anyway, Link can jump over six feet straight up from a standing start and is much more athletic than any human. Link holds the Triforce of Courage, which does help.

I will let you know about oot if it portrays them as more powerful than tp but so far nosgoth seems like a much deadlier place than hyrule.

Depends on where and when you're looking.

Except he isn't strong enough to stop Kratos nor is he anywhere as deadly as Kratos actually strikes fear into Zeus himself.

Zeus was infected by Fear from Pandora's Box. He wouldn've been afraid of a kitten.

It isn't a simple gameplay animation it's Link using a weapon not an enemy resisting anything. When Link uses the ball and chain he's barely strong enough to move and throw it.

Yes, so when he throws it, and pulls it back through the air and catches it proves he is weak. The fact that he can throw it hard enough to shatter armor doesn't matter. The fact that he can throw it hard enough to shatter boulders that would otherwise require explosives doesn't matter. It's just that he it's a little heavy.

My reasoning isi his feat denies physics which it does. Kratos is very strong and everything in the game backs that up unlike Link who needs gear.

Everything in the game supports that Link is also physically powerful, despite that fact that you seem dead set on ignoring it.

You're confusing what it is I am saying the game will force you to do so and Kratos succeeds whereas Link struggles wielding certain weapons as to show how strong he really is.

See above. Link doesn't struggle.

Why isn't there? What can kill him?

The Master Sword.

Yes, he gets rolled right through so this actually hurts your case since he needed the iron boots to actually stop him.

Did you even watch the video or are you're ignoring evidence again? He did not get rolled through, nor was it obvious he needed the boots. If you actually watched the video, you would have seen him slow the Goron, and he would have stopped it if there wasn't a cliff to fall off of. This is very helpful to the case since it pretty much proves that everything you've been saying is wrong.

He gets his gear here. I am just saying without the gear he's not capable of these feats.

Despite all evidence to the contrary. We've repeatedly proven that Link is strong.

Nowhere is it proven that Dumah is stronger or more durable than Kain, Dumah himself says it which is obviously fallible. Links real feats are overhyped as are Ganons. Those that exist ofc....

Trueforce has no real feats of uneniable omnipotence. Its not suceeded over any powerful foes and Ganon was beaten by a boy with silver arrows while he had the trueforce. Not to mension old men and knights so its got as much use in this fight as a chocolate teapot.

Again the rest of the Zelda opposition have no legs to stand on...

Originally posted by quanchi112
But they aren't as I said. That's really tilting the thread in lok's favor.

Again find me a cinema where Kain uses his b0 1 abilities like you claim he would here? He doesn't he fights with his sword. Both giant battles and all cinemas have him use tk, teleportation, and a random energy blast outside sword attacks so that's what goes here.

Cronos, Gaea, and the rest cannot solo armies either. We saw them stomped by gods and their warriors various times and we saw one Zeus blast completely rock gaea.

Dude, he had to be nursed back to health how many years later yet you think he was just defeated? Come on bt I played the game.

No, not with ease and it's never been established he can do so you can have that opinion but can't support it especially since he couldn't protect himself from a possessed raziel.

What the hell does toonforce mean?

I agree Link is just a great warrior who has fantastic gear and is highly skilled but the things he doe doesn't make him super strong or anywhere near it.

I know they get to use their abilities but for the most part it's weapon vs. weapon. You catch my drift I hope.

You should take away the Elder God, thats also tilting this fight in the favour of Lok even if you stipulate that the EG can be harmed.

I dont have to, I am not making a fallacy of logic. We know that Kain is an extremely intelligent sorcerous entity with a huge list of powers, the fact theres not an FMV of him one shotting Raziel, Mortanius and the Sarafan Lord does not indicate that he only uses his sword. Thats the fallacy. Infact the fights we see him in we see him using magic and teleportation perhaps just as often as using his sword. You cant use specific examples where his sword is used to cite that he only uses his sword....

We see them beaten by Gods, not armies. If the city block sized Cronos was faced by a few thousand Greek soldiers you would argue Cronos could not crush them? I find that hard to believe...

He was defeated, he was not killed...technically he was not even harmed physically.

Can you not see the video? I just did support it and thats ignoring the fact Kain has a few spells, hell spells in Defiance alone that would allow him to destroy Raziel without problems. He could defend himself, he just did not, its called plot induced stupidity.

Toonforce is when a character, lets say for example Wind Waker link who is a cute cartoon looking character does something physically impossible. I think OoT link lifts a pillar that despite the possible strength capacity, he does not have the physical durability or angle that would allow him to do so. In short, when a character does something physically impossible based on feats, link being as small as he is seems to do this a lot. Another example is how Dangaroo in TP bounces on lava the same way a cartoon character bounces when they touch a hot surface.

Thats because technically hes just a child-young man depending on the game and time period, its not clear on whether or not he has any physical/biological enhancements at all.

So you want this fight to be mostly a melee?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
There isn't even anything in LoK that can defeat Ganondorf, let alone kill him.

😆 Kains got the soul powers to permanently get rid of Ganondorf. The EG would respin him in the wheel of fate as a peasant.

The EG would just bury Ganondorf along with hyrules army.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Stop ignoring the point. You are ignoring the fact that Link did not need the Iron Boots to stop the Goron, and he did not need them to pick it up and toss it. Stop saying he needs the boots to pull off the feat when the video clearly shows therwise.

Link picked up the Goron and tossed it, with no assistence from the Iron Boots. Stop ignoring that part of the feat.

I have said it before, at least three times. Stop ignoring it. In order for Bo to have defeated a Goron, he needed to push it a maximum of 5-6 feet. That's much less impressive than Link stopping a Goron in motion and tossing it over 15 feet, and that on a Goron at least three times as large as average and covered in metal armor.

He is pushed around by Yeto because he is [b]light. You're cherry picking your evidence. Link was not fighting Yeto, nor was he even preparing. Yeto would have tossed Kratos in the same situation, because Yeto can toss anything of roughly human weight.

Being heavy makes stopping a Goron easier. It does help you to pick one up and toss it, nor does it help you not break your arms when it hits you. Once again you're ignoring clear video evidence of Link nearly stoppoing a Goron. I doubt Scream is sore, he is likely just growing impatient.

They are clearly in effect in this case, however, where it matters.

Based on the fact that he can pick up and toss a large Goron. There's even a video of him doing it.

YouTube video

Winning isn't necessary to gain respect. A hard fought loss was still hard fought. Regardless, there is a massive difference between Bo's feat and Link's feat. And did we ever stop to think that maybe Bo is abnormally strong? The man has freaking tusks.

Zelda pulled it off in Minish Cap using the Mage's Cap. The Mage's Cap, source of Vaati's power, pales in comparison to Ganon's, which is the Triforce of Power. Via a little logic, it would be simple to conclude that Ganon can pull off a single genocide.

He is strong enough to do it, but doesn't because he's sort of a hero. He doesn't need the boots, since he's strong enough on his own.

I doubt a "handful" would take Link out. Anyway, Link can jump over six feet straight up from a standing start and is much more athletic than any human. Link holds the Triforce of Courage, which does help.

Depends on where and when you're looking.

Zeus was infected by Fear from Pandora's Box. He wouldn've been afraid of a kitten.

Yes, so when he throws it, and pulls it back through the air and catches it proves he is weak. The fact that he can throw it hard enough to shatter armor doesn't matter. The fact that he can throw it hard enough to shatter boulders that would otherwise require explosives doesn't matter. It's just that he it's a little heavy.

Everything in the game supports that Link is also physically powerful, despite that fact that you seem dead set on ignoring it.

See above. Link doesn't struggle.

The Master Sword.

Did you even watch the video or are you're ignoring evidence again? He did not get rolled through, nor was it obvious he needed the boots. If you actually watched the video, you would have seen him slow the Goron, and he would have stopped it if there wasn't a cliff to fall off of. This is very helpful to the case since it pretty much proves that everything you've been saying is wrong.

Despite all evidence to the contrary. We've repeatedly proven that Link is strong. [/B]

It's not when you consider he needed gear to do so. He needs gear to challenge any goron so like I said it's not a strength feat per say of anything Link can do to any goron without the necessary gear.

Link doesn't have his gear on and isn't considered this superstrong character that's why he is so easily tossed aside. Link didn't have his boots or use his sword to damage Yeto but the character isn't that strong especially when we look at the struggle it has on him just to use and combat with the ball and chain out.

Bo was able to best them in sumo wrestling because of the boots just like Link so it stands to reason that Bo could stop and throw them in ball form just like Link. If Link had done this without the item I'd say wow he's strong but since he cannot do so without it just like Bo it has everything to do with the gear not Link.

If I had iron boots on I couldn't effectively outwrestle a man with over 20 pounds my advantage in the real world so no it's not real world physics here.

Game play mechanics and he needs the boots which disqualifies it from his abilities or his strength on his own.

The fact Bo needed the boots and nowhere does it seem he is abnormally strong. He runs at the mere sight of Link as the wolf so he doesn't even seem that brave but he was brave enough to defeat a goron in a wrestling match because of the boots which he points out.

I'm saying the same character was overwhelmed just as Link can be killed by being overwhelmed and being impaled.

I don't care neither side has the ability to do so. Kain can't manipulate time with Moebius and start messing with the timeline. These tactics aren't allowed and this is the tp version.

Zeus was afraid of kittens he was afraid of Kratos because he just killed a god. The fear from the box helped but it didn't make him fear everyone just Kratos because of the scope of what he just achieved.

It proves he's strong but nowhere near superhuman like because the opponent who wields it does so with one arm while Link needs his whole entire body to do so and it kills his mobility.

No, it doesn't. The game gives him the gear to do what he needs to through normal strength just like Bo.

In this thread the soulreaver can kill him or anyone else's powerful attacks. There are no plot devices here and Ganondorf was already killed without the master sword in the friggin game. He came back after the mages destroyed him.

Whether there is a cliff around or not the game makes it clear you cannot throw or stop a goron without the boots. he wasn't going to stop him whether that cliff was there or not.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Nowhere is it proven that Dumah is stronger or more durable than Kain, Dumah himself says it which is obviously fallible. Links real feats are overhyped as are Ganons. Those that exist ofc....

Trueforce has no real feats of uneniable omnipotence. Its not suceeded over any powerful foes and Ganon was beaten by a boy with silver arrows while he had the trueforce. Not to mension old men and knights so its got as much use in this fight as a chocolate teapot.

Again the rest of the Zelda opposition have no legs to stand on...

You should take away the Elder God, thats also tilting this fight in the favour of Lok even if you stipulate that the EG can be harmed.

I dont have to, I am not making a fallacy of logic. We know that Kain is an extremely intelligent sorcerous entity with a huge list of powers, the fact theres not an FMV of him one shotting Raziel, Mortanius and the Sarafan Lord does not indicate that he only uses his sword. Thats the fallacy. Infact the fights we see him in we see him using magic and teleportation perhaps just as often as using his sword. You cant use specific examples where his sword is used to cite that he only uses his sword....

We see them beaten by Gods, not armies. If the city block sized Cronos was faced by a few thousand Greek soldiers you would argue Cronos could not crush them? I find that hard to believe...

He was defeated, he was not killed...technically he was not even harmed physically.

Can you not see the video? I just did support it and thats ignoring the fact Kain has a few spells, hell spells in Defiance alone that would allow him to destroy Raziel without problems. He could defend himself, he just did not, its called plot induced stupidity.

Toonforce is when a character, lets say for example Wind Waker link who is a cute cartoon looking character does something physically impossible. I think OoT link lifts a pillar that despite the possible strength capacity, he does not have the physical durability or angle that would allow him to do so. In short, when a character does something physically impossible based on feats, link being as small as he is seems to do this a lot. Another example is how Dangaroo in TP bounces on lava the same way a cartoon character bounces when they touch a hot surface.

Thats because technically hes just a child-young man depending on the game and time period, its not clear on whether or not he has any physical/biological enhancements at all.

So you want this fight to be mostly a melee?

😆 Kains got the soul powers to permanently get rid of Ganondorf. The EG would respin him in the wheel of fate as a peasant.

The EG would just bury Ganondorf along with hyrules army.

I said he can teleport and use tk but he isn't using the abilities from part 1 since they are all but ignored save the abilities I just named while in combat.

Sarafan Lord isn't a god nor is Raziel so you are wrong once again.

I never said he was killed I said he was defeated and he needed iirc 100 years to be nursed back and had to go on a quest to develop the abilities and the strength needed to take on the Sarafan Lord.

No, he doesn't use them just like he didn't against the Sarafan Lord or Raziel. You want him to fight in a certain manner but he doesn't so you can't ignore on panel evidence.

Ah, ok.

Mostly, yes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think there's a massive tilt like you say there is with the eg. I think you just like them are trying to act like the side you favor is simply so beyond the other with just a few enemies which isn't the case.

I said he can teleport and use tk but he isn't using the abilities from part 1 since they are all but ignored save the abilities I just named while in combat.

Sarafan Lord isn't a god nor is Raziel so you are wrong once again.

I never said he was killed I said he was defeated and he needed iirc 100 years to be nursed back and had to go on a quest to develop the abilities and the strength needed to take on the Sarafan Lord.

No, he doesn't use them just like he didn't against the Sarafan Lord or Raziel. You want him to fight in a certain manner but he doesn't so you can't ignore on panel evidence.

Ah, ok.

Mostly, yes.

I disagree, I am not like them. For they are bending feats which do not exist, they use illogical fallacies and nonsense. Link and Ganon are not as powerful as they belive, but if you disagree with me about the Elder God then please argue it. What can they do to stop him? he is enormous afterall....

But as i said, them being "ignored" e.g. not used in an FMV does not mean Kain would not use them. The choice by the developers not to have Kain using a certain power does not actually change the fact that power is there.

You dodged my question and played a fallacy on titles, being a God is irrelevant. You did not answer how you feel towards Cronos vs a few thousand greek soldiers.

We dont actually know what he was recovering from, he was not dealt a wound in the Sarafan lord fight, the sword did not scratch him. And Blood omen 2 Kain is irrelevant in this thread, by the canon of Defiance Kain and your own rules.

Again, thats not evidence that he would not use them. Your using a couple of specific examples of fights where Kain simply chose not to use a certain power to argue Kain would not use them in this fight, this is called a hasty generalisation fallacy.

You should have put that in the OP I guess, "melee only", if its just a melee then LoK probably win with near to equel ease than with all their powers.