LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by quanchi112
Regardless, this is tp link.

And he reacts to Ganondorf, who has speed feats.

Don't care this is a different Link so his feats don't carry over.

But it's the same Ganondorf, so the feats do carry over for Ganondorf.
And since Link reacts to him, he still gets the feat.

Bo out wrestled a goron just like Link and the only reason Link ever threw one is they rolled at him so with the evidence at hand I say Bo could do the same thing with the same gear.

Incorrect. Bo wrestled a random Goron while Link wrestled a Goron Cheif, who is larger, stronger, and more skilled. That is not the reason Link threw them, watch it again. Also, incorrect, you have no evidence that says Bo could replicate the feat.

So now lighning is always the same speed? Nope, sorry in the game it's not at all fast and is much slower than zant's magic shots at you and is just another example of zelda fans reaching.

Or you reaching. Lightning is lightning.

Not relevant to tp Link.

Relevant to TP Ganondorf, who is in turn relevant to TP Link.

No, Kratos is Link can barely lift the ball and chain.

Wrong.

He reacted and killed one and was then beaten because he's not that fast. If he was as quick as you say he wouldn't have just taken out one with him.

Sword through the heart. Do you not understand this? He killed one on pure instinct, then realized he should be dead. Did you not see that he was exhausted?

1.Still playing it and when a timeline splits it's an alternate reality you noob. From the time that timeline differs it's an alternate reality.

Incorrect. It becomes an alternate timeline, not universe/reality. Same Ganondorf. Hell, WW Ganondorf had lost the Triforce of Power when he pulled his feat off.

2.Yep.

Not really.

3.This is reality while zelda isn't so quit trying to make real world comparisons which also show how terrible the creators were and how they didn't really make the scene believable with the boots.

This level of arrogance sickens me. You think you know better than the creators when you clearly don't understand the physics behind this? Zelda obeys physics, that's how the feats work.

4.Look at how he carries the ball and chain. yeah, he's a real powerhouse.

Yeah, he can shatter boulders that normally require explosives and weilds it faster than the Darhammer.

5.So could Bo if the rolled.

Evidence please. Bo and Link aren't comparable.

False. They were shocked when he came too and stood there and once they regained their composure they beat him. If he didn't have shock and awe on his side he might not have taken out one of them.

They recovered first, mostly because none of them had a freaking sword in their chest. Ganondorf was clearly tired after he died.

This is just tp Link and the feats you want to talk about are being taken out of context.

They are not out of context. In fact, the context completes them. You're just ignoring the evidence in favour of who you think Link should be, since you seem to think you know better than the creators.

Originally posted by The Scenario
And he reacts to Ganondorf, who has speed feats.

But it's the same Ganondorf, so the feats do carry over for Ganondorf.
And since Link reacts to him, he still gets the feat.

Incorrect. Bo wrestled a random Goron while Link wrestled a Goron Cheif, who is larger, stronger, and more skilled. That is not the reason Link threw them, watch it again. Also, incorrect, you have no evidence that says Bo could replicate the feat.

Or you reaching. Lightning is lightning.

Relevant to TP Ganondorf, who is in turn relevant to TP Link.

Wrong.

Sword through the heart. Do you not understand this? He killed one on pure instinct, then realized he should be dead. Did you not see that he was exhausted?

Incorrect. It becomes an alternate timeline, not universe/reality. Same Ganondorf. Hell, WW Ganondorf had lost the Triforce of Power when he pulled his feat off.

Not really.

This level of arrogance sickens me. You think you know better than the creators when you clearly don't understand the physics behind this? Zelda obeys physics, that's how the feats work.

Yeah, he can shatter boulders that normally require explosives and weilds it faster than the Darhammer.

Evidence please. Bo and Link aren't comparable.

They recovered first, mostly because none of them had a freaking sword in their chest. Ganondorf was clearly tired after he [b]died.

They are not out of context. In fact, the context completes them. You're just ignoring the evidence in favour of who you think Link should be, since you seem to think you know better than the creators. [/B]

We saw how quickly Ganondorf can react and it wasn't impressive at all.

Bo gave him the gear in order to do so and without it Link was screwed.

No, it isn't. You have to prove it.

Nope, it isn't relevant to tp Ganondorf. Other zeldas don't apply here.

It's a fact he can barely move the thing in the game. Kratos is much, much, much stronger than Link.

He wasn't exhausted he just got beaten after he killed one. I guess you think he exhausts really easily so in a way you don't think that highly of him yourself.

That's what an alternate timeline is essentially it's all one universe in marvel expects events take place differently and it splinters from the 616 reality.

Nope, because logically you fall down in the boots by the same force.

With the proper gear he can but he can barely pick it up with his strength so not impressed.

Yes, they are as Bo taught Link. My logic works fine whereas yours doesn't.

No, they recovered after he launched his first attack so by your logic one sword stab is all it takes to really tire him. I guess he's not as formidable as you previously thought.

I grasp the game and how Link is presented you don't because you want him to be far superior than how he is actually portrayed in the game.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. With the exact same Ganon. Actually, the one in WW was even weaker than the one in TP.

2. No, it doesn't, that would be an ad hominem fallacy I believe. How does mentioning WW Link invalidate a feat from TP Link? Education, get one.

3. "Hi I'm Quanchi I am going to ignore the feats of Link and blame it on a blunder of the creators." Link in TP is consistently strong. Also, like how you ignored the first sentence of that segment, ignoring points does not make you less wrong or foolish.

4. I agree. 🙂 Cause I mean... Kratos taking time to open a gate obviously discredits all of his strength feats.

5. Read above. Also, I could show you Thanos getting arrested by the cops or being cut by Wolverine (While he had the Power Gem if I recall right), yet those would not count, right? Low, inconsistent showings are not the rule.

2.It's invalid for this Link as he didn't perform the feats himself.

3.he's not insanely strong hence the ball and chain.

4.Kratos is really strong and I get that. Link is not really strong and I also get that,.

5.Those aren't canon. Him being cut by adamanitum proves what? Nothing.

I argue based on all canon showings I don't just focus on the better ones.

Quanchi, you truly are either blessed with ignorance, or cursed with an exceptionally thick skull.

1. No one is using another Link's feat. You seem to fail at reading comprehension.
2. TP Link performed all of TP Link's feats, easy, yes? Like throwing giant Gorons, playing tennis with lighting, being fired out of cannons, you know, super-human shit.
3. Kratos and doors. Link also handles the ball and chain with ease while attacking, btw.
4. You get nothing apparently, because you'll argue one thing for one, and the opposite for another, and not realise you're being a hypocrite.
5. Ganon takes a PIS seal away, Thanos is arrested by human police. HM, looks about right to me. This would mean, either both are weak, orrr, PIS happens. Is Thanos weak, Quan mah boi?

You don't even keep track of any showings, you ignore evidence all day, nothing more.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Quanchi, you truly are either blessed with ignorance, or cursed with an exceptionally thick skull.

Ya know, the two are not always mutually exclusive. 313
They certainly are not in this particular case.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Quanchi, you truly are either blessed with ignorance, or cursed with an exceptionally thick skull.

1. No one is using another Link's feat. You seem to fail at reading comprehension.
2. TP Link performed all of TP Link's feats, easy, yes? Like throwing giant Gorons, playing tennis with lighting, being fired out of cannons, you know, super-human shit.
3. Kratos and doors. Link also handles the ball and chain with ease while attacking, btw.
4. You get nothing apparently, because you'll argue one thing for one, and the opposite for another, and not realise you're being a hypocrite.
5. Ganon takes a PIS seal away, Thanos is arrested by human police. HM, looks about right to me. This would mean, either both are weak, orrr, PIS happens. Is Thanos weak, Quan mah boi?

You don't even keep track of any showings, you ignore evidence all day, nothing more.

I cite the games all day long whereas you exaggerate all day long. In the end I am right and you are wrong. Even a guy who beat all the zeldas agrees Kain crushes him. I knew it anyways but had to ask him.

I lol'd, cause your friend is god, right? You've destroyed no arguments, and actually contradict yourself quite a bit. For example, Kratos is strong, but struggles with doors, and Link is strong, but walks slowly with the ball and chain, and you choose to favour Link's inconsistency, and ignore Kratos', I lol'd.

Since when did Link ever struggled with balls and chains?

Doesn't struggle, just waks slowly with it, then whips it around overhead with relative ease.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not in tp. Stick to tp.

Still the same person, and in a weakened state.

We saw how quickly Ganondorf can react and it wasn't impressive at all.

It's leagues faster than Kain, or anyone else in LoK.

Bo gave him the gear in order to do so and without it Link was screwed.

Irrelevant. Bo can't do what Link did.

No, it isn't. You have to prove it.

It's a ball of electricity.

Nope, it isn't relevant to tp Ganondorf. Other zeldas don't apply here.

Despite the fact that it's still the same person. Other Links don't apply. Ganondorf does.

It's a fact he can barely move the thing in the game. Kratos is much, much, much stronger than Link.

I don't see what you're reffering to. He moves it just fine, and handles it better than the boss he took it from. Kratos isn't here.

He wasn't exhausted he just got beaten after he killed one. I guess you think he exhausts really easily so in a way you don't think that highly of him yourself.

Uh...what? Have you even been paying attention? Ganondorf died right there, and then came back, though the sword was still stuck in his heart. People tend to be tired when they die and come back, so I don't know what you're talking about.

And don't tell me how I think about something. It just cements your arrogance.

That's what an alternate timeline is essentially it's all one universe in marvel expects events take place differently and it splinters from the 616 reality.

That doesn't matter. Same Ganondorf, same feats.

Nope, because logically you fall down in the boots by the same force.

No, you're doing it wrong. It proves Link is superhylian.

With the proper gear he can but he can barely pick it up with his strength so not impressed.

What are you talking about? I honestly don't know. It can't be the Ball & Chain because he weilds that easily.

Yes, they are as Bo taught Link. My logic works fine whereas yours doesn't.

You don't know how logic works. Just because Bo taught Link how to do something does not mean he can replicate it on the level Link can. Link surpassed Bo when he defeated him, and just kept going when he defeated the Goron Cheif and Dangoro, neither of which Bo can stand up to.

No, they recovered after he launched his first attack so by your logic one sword stab is all it takes to really tire him. I guess he's not as formidable as you previously thought.

No, you do not understand my logic. It goes something like this:

Sages stab Ganondorf with magic sword --> Ganondorf dies --> Triforce of Power revives Ganondorf --> Ganondorf breaks free and kills Sage --> Sword is still in chest ---> Exertion catches up to Ganondorf, as he had just died seconds before --> Sages take advantage of Ganondorf Ressurection Sickness.

See, since people tend to slow or, you know, stop moving when they die, Ganondorf was not at his best, having just freaking died. He got a few seconds of activity before death caught up to him again, since he still had a sword impaling his heart. Just being tired and slowed after that is a feat, since that stunt would have killed Kain.

I grasp the game and how Link is presented you don't because you want him to be far superior than how he is actually portrayed in the game.

I grasp the game and how Link is presented you don't because you want him to be far inferior than how he is actually portrayed in the game.

Look, it's obvious you don't want Link to have the feats he's entitled to, but just know that I won't back down, and neither will Screampaste or possibly NemeBro. I can keep this up forever, and I seem to be having a much easier time of it than you are.

Look, it's obvious you don't want Link to have the feats he's entitled to, but just know that I won't back down, and neither will Screampaste

Originally posted by The Scenario

It's leagues faster than Kain, or anyone else in LoK.

I lold, you hardly know the series your talking about yet you make a huge sweeping general statement. I hope your not talking about when he attacks the sage because thats not "leagues" faster than anyone, let alone Kain.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You know, it has occurred to me.

Link has several times dodged/blocked lightning.

He did it in OoT, aLttP, and TP all against Ganondorf in one of his forms, and has many other times against different bosses.

Lol, Kain is not hitting shit.

Show it....

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The first time it happens he's surprised, the 9001 times it happens in an entire section of the Zant fight (he has a section where he teleports specificly behind you), Link does juuuust fine.

YouTube video
The scene at 3:35 is the second time he did it.
At 1:34 Zant quickly moves towards Link who raises to block after Zant has moved away. Then he's behind him and still takes a moment to turn around. (After Midna reacts.)
So that's another 'Zant appears behind Link' moment where he doesn't react that fast, and one with Zant appearing in front of Link where again he doesn't react fast enough.

How about Link looks like he's struggling with the ball and chain because he's supposed to have a two handed weapon in every game. And despite how win it would be, he can't be walking around wielding the ball and chain in one hand and using his shield in the other.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I lol'd, cause your friend is god, right? You've destroyed no arguments, and actually contradict yourself quite a bit. For example, Kratos is strong, but struggles with doors, and Link is strong, but walks slowly with the ball and chain, and you choose to favour Link's inconsistency, and ignore Kratos', I lol'd.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Since when did Link ever struggled with balls and chains?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Seconded. 😎

False, the guy wasn't quick at all in tp and was shown up every time he showed up in the game. He was an overconfident moron imo. Kain is faster, stronger, etc. than ganondorf.

You have unsupported speculation and Bo did beat a Goron and taught Link how to do the same in the game. 🙂

So?

The other games do not count and since the timelines split alternate realities are formed outside the main reality so it's a no go. Regardless, it cannot be used.

The boss wields it with one arm so you are lying. Link can barely move when he wields it and it shows off he's not even as strong as the boss just like he is portrayed as not strong throughout the entire game.

He used the power to resist it and in the end of the game that power failed him. I guess even despite having an outside power source back him you claim he was still exhausted which makes the power which brought him back look anything but impressive.

That does matter. You don't even know what an alternate reality really is and I just told you and it still won't matter because zelda must win iyo so the facts don't really matter here.

Bo beat a goron and he isn't superhylian and neither is Link. I mean come on here you are just making things up again.

If you call him barely able to move while using both hands to wield it doing easily then I suggest you watch the boss use it because he doesn't need to use all that strength and doesn't lack lateral movement like Link does when he wields it. I am right.

Bo is the one who taught Link how to pull it off. I mean Link couldn't have done it without Bo's training in the game and without the boots he gave him so again the game backs me up.

I know what happened but according to you even with the backing of the power here he still got winded which makes me think less of the power backing him. Nicely done.

Good and I can keep this up forever and a day. Link isn't portrayed as strong in the game or superhylian he's just the hero who is destined to pull this out and he gets the training and gear to achieve his destiny.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Seconded. 😎

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
How about Link looks like he's struggling with the ball and chain because he's supposed to have a two handed weapon in every game. And despite how win it would be, he can't be walking around wielding the ball and chain in one hand and using his shield in the other.

Excuses? Or, you know, game mechanics.

lol game mechanics, you just said in every game Link only holds weapons with two hands because of game mechanics? sounds more like a developer decision, a consistant one because Link cannot wield a two handed heavy weapon with as much ease as you want to believe.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol game mechanics, you just said in every game Link only holds weapons with two hands because of game mechanics? sounds more like a developer decision, a consistant one because Link cannot wield a two handed heavy weapon with as much ease as you want to believe.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.This is tp Link so he doesn't have the same feats as another Link.

2.It's invalid for this Link as he didn't perform the feats himself.

3.he's not insanely strong hence the ball and chain.

4.Kratos is really strong and I get that. Link is not really strong and I also get that,.

5.Those aren't canon. Him being cut by adamanitum proves what? Nothing.

I argue based on all canon showings I don't just focus on the better ones.

2. Yes, he did deflect lightning attacks by himself. Played tennis with them in TP. Illiterate people should not post on the internet.

3. Kratos is not very strong hence doors. Also, he wields it easily enough.

4. Prove Link is weak. 🙂 I won't ask you to prove Kratos is strong, because I know he is, because he has feats to prove it. Like Link, who in many games has consistent feats of strength, though admittedly he does not even rival Kratos in that regard. Though no one in LoK does either, so it is a moot point.

5. Hasn't Hyperion been slashed at by Wolverine, with them only scraping across his skin? So is Hyperion more durable than Thanos with the Power Gem?

You focus only on the rare inconsistencies, I focus on Link's consistent feats of strength, which increase in each game. He went from stopping bull-size goats to wrestling gorons, to stopping a giant rolling goron (Which is harding than just lifting it, Jesus Christ how did no one mention this?), lifting it, and then throwing it. He then tripped up an even larger Goron later in the stage, and has hit the ground from being shoot from a cannon in the sky. Link is easily superhuman.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol game mechanics, you just said in every game Link only holds weapons with two hands because of game mechanics? sounds more like a developer decision, a consistant one because Link cannot wield a two handed heavy weapon with as much ease as you want to believe.