LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess · Games 'Versus' Forum

The Scenario Greater Sci-Fi combatant

Originally posted by BloodRain
Those steps were not.

Ganondorf's teleport made no sound at all.

That makes three instances where Link has showed that a teleport attack from the likes of the LoK will work.

It shows more how they won't, as their teleport do make noise.

Reacting after a step is heard (however long it takes her to do a step), after a teleport sound is heard (almost a second after) and a human level reaction to a swift in-sight movement < a teleport attack in terms of speed.

He reacted instantly. If he hears a teleport behind him, he will move. How fast is the teleport attack then? From what Link has shown, any sound will make him react.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

Originally posted by The Scenario
Ganondorf's teleport made no sound at all.

No, but the steps were loud enough.

Originally posted by The Scenario
It shows more how they won't, as their teleport do make noise.

Steps were enough sound, and Zant's does make a sound. Now if you want to say it doesn't for some reason it still leaves us with him reacting nearly a second later.

Originally posted by The Scenario
He reacted instantly. If he hears a teleport behind him, he will move. How fast is the teleport attack then? From what Link has shown, any sound will make him react.

Hears a sound then turns towards it. The only sound that their teleport makes that I remember is maybe a grunt from the strike, alas that will be too late. IIRC it's above average strike speed, by the videos youve posted its more then fast enough to strike where he can't see.

The Scenario Greater Sci-Fi combatant

Originally posted by BloodRain
No, but the steps were loud enough.

Which he heard and reacted to.

Steps were enough sound, and Zant's does make a sound. Now if you want to say it doesn't for some reason it still leaves us with him reacting nearly a second later.

Link's always improving. That leaves us with Link performing better at something the second time than he did the first.

Hears a sound then turns towards it. The only sound that their teleport makes that I remember is maybe a grunt from the strike, alas that will be too late. IIRC it's above average strike speed, by the videos youve posted its more then fast enough to strike where he can't see. [/B]

YouTube video

At 8:30. The best transcription I can give is *tink- hwoooo*

ScreamPaste Carpe Noctem

Originally posted by BloodRain
That attack that Zelda/Ganondorf used was not a lightning bolt..

Lightning IS lightning, you think a magicly amped blast of electricity from a character who can destroy islands and freeze over cities is somehow weaker than regular electricity? No. Here's the facts; Link dodges or reflects lightning in almost EVERY LoZ game.

Ganon (LoZ, aLttP(As Aginihm), OoT, TP(as puppet Zelda)
Vitreous (ALttP)
Aganhim (ALttP)
Giant Buzz Blob (Link's Awakening)
Goht (Majora's Mask)
Barinade (OoT)
Ganon's Trident (Four Swords Adventure)
Smog (Oracle of Ages)
Lakitu (Minish Cap)

^Quoted from another thread.

The Scenario Greater Sci-Fi combatant

Link dodges lasers.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

Originally posted by The Scenario
Which he heard and reacted to.

Yeah, he didn't react to a teleport he reacted to the steps.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Link's always improving. That leaves us with Link performing better at something the second time than he did the first.

In all three examples not one is there anything above normal human capabilities.

Originally posted by The Scenario
At 8:30. The best transcription I can give is *tink- hwoooo*

That's different to the technique he used in combat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF1S2bo6cSg At 1:08 is the move in question. Is also why I said it was more then enough to get the strike in.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lightning IS lightning, you think a magicly amped blast of electricity from a character who can destroy islands and freeze over cities is somehow weaker than regular electricity? No. Here's the facts; Link dodges or reflects lightning in almost EVERY LoZ game.
Ganon (LoZ, aLttP(As Aginihm), OoT, TP(as puppet Zelda)
Vitreous (ALttP)
Aganhim (ALttP)
Giant Buzz Blob (Link's Awakening)
Goht (Majora's Mask)
Barinade (OoT)
Ganon's Trident (Four Swords Adventure)
Smog (Oracle of Ages)
Lakitu (Minish Cap)
^Quoted from another thread.

No not weaker, but not as fast. Also do you really believe hat it was that attack that's a city buster? In that scene there is electricity sparking around the ball, the ball can't be moving at lightning speed if the electricity moves around the ball faster then it itself moves. That and electric orbs in fiction are never that I know at lightning speed.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Link dodges lasers.

No, he doesn't.

ScreamPaste Carpe Noctem

There's sparks around the bolts Zeus throws too. Lightning in GoW only exists because Zeus does, you think the ones he shoosts are slower, too? No. Ganon's lightning is above normal lightning, this much is plainly clear.

Simple answer is:

It's gameplay. 😐 The player needs to be able to hit the balls to send them back to Ganon, as it's always been. In aLttP, they're even shaped like little lightning bolts. Link's been doing this for a long time.

Sin_Volvagia Senior Member

I see there is more Link wanking that went undetected by my radar.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Link dodges lasers.

Pfft, there are fictional humans that can dodge that. I'll give you a list:

1. Leon Kennedy
2. Ada Wong
3. Sheva
4. Chris Redfield
5. Jill Valentine
6. Claire Redfield
7. Lara Croft
8. Duke Nukem
9. Max Payne
10. Indiana Jones
11. Batman
12. Lady Shiva
13. Batgirl (any)
14. Robin (any)
15. Talia Al Ghul
16. Any action movie hero
17. Nathan Drake
18. Chloe Frazer
19. Karate Kid
20. Lady
21. Doom Guy
22. Luka Redgrave
23. Rachel
24. Momiji

And many more. It shouldn't be hard to dodge a continous laser that doesn't even shoot directly at the target immediately.

ScreamPaste Carpe Noctem

Once again, Sin's doing it wrong. Attacking one supporting point and ignoring the volume of evidence and consistency.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

Yeah...

Originally posted by BloodRain
Edit- Why is it insisted that an electric ball like that and GoW3 Zeus' one are at lightning speed when there's a difference between these lightning balls and actual lightning bolts..

... that's what I think. The one in the GoW3 scene were orbs that were slower then even his regular bolts.

If it was simple gameplay then why make the orb slower then arrows? If it was lightning speed they could of easily increase the speed to a level where its fast but slow enough to reflect in order to show that its at lightning speed. Which leads back and ties in to the Gow3^ comment.

Don't threat Sin. That laser thing there isn't accepted.

NemeBro Senior Member

That does not appear to be a laser to me honestly. Moar like a stream of magma. It is hard to tell a true laser from a fake one, not the same with electricity.

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by Burning thought
I asked you before, show it.
I think your probably trying to claim every little energy bolt Link can deflect in gameplay is the speed of natural lightning....I think youve done this before. And Link wont be percieving Kains attacks or anyone elses if they teleport behind him, even if he was seeing the world in slow motion and you had proof to back this up he would not gain further precog or perception to Kain or Janos slicing his head from his shoulders. Chances are he will see the blade slicing slowly through his throat and his soul being reaved.

Nah, get someone else too, lazy.

No, just the ones that are electricity. Lightning is just electricity, electricity has the same speed going through a medium. Actually since the lightning bolts fired at Link go in a straight path and are from a relatively short distance away, they are prolly faster. You do realise that with those kinds of reflexes when Kain's sword so much as touches Link's skin he will have already dodged out of the way, right? As in before it even cuts him. Also, he will have time to react to Kain teleporting, only in your world would anyone just stand straight with a blank stare when their opponent just teleported.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

only in your world would anyone just stand straight with a blank stare when their opponent just teleported.

Link did.. twice.

ScreamPaste Carpe Noctem

Originally posted by BloodRain
Link did.. twice.

and then managed to trump the shit out of Zant when actual combat ensued. 😐

Sin_Volvagia Senior Member

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lightning IS lightning, you think a magicly amped blast of electricity from a character who can destroy islands and freeze over cities is somehow weaker than regular electricity? No. Here's the facts; Link dodges or reflects lightning in almost EVERY LoZ game.
Ganon (LoZ, aLttP(As Aginihm), OoT, TP(as puppet Zelda)
Vitreous (ALttP)
Aganhim (ALttP)
Giant Buzz Blob (Link's Awakening)
Goht (Majora's Mask)
Barinade (OoT)
Ganon's Trident (Four Swords Adventure)
Smog (Oracle of Ages)
Lakitu (Minish Cap)
^Quoted from another thread.

1. Agahnim shoots actual lightning but Link dodges it before it's fired. OoT and TP energy balls aren't lightning.

2. Same as Agahnim

3. Already said it.

4. Can't say as I never played the game.

5. Since when does Goht shoot lightning? All I remember it doing is running around while kicking away rocks and dropping bombs when its health is low.

6. I know it uses electricity but forgot how it did. Can't comment here.

7. I don't remember Link dodging this in a way where it = Bayonetta.

As for the rest, never played those games.

NemeBro Senior Member

Bayonetta is not in this thread.

ScreamPaste Carpe Noctem

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
1. Agahnim shoots actual lightning but Link dodges it before it's fired. OoT and TP energy balls aren't lightning.
2. Same as Agahnim
3. Already said it.
4. Can't say as I never played the game.
5. Since when does Goht shoot lightning? All I remember it doing is running around while kicking away rocks and dropping bombs when its health is low.
6. I know it uses electricity but forgot how it did. Can't comment here.
7. I don't remember Link dodging this in a way where it = Bayonetta.
As for the rest, never played those games.

1. So, Ganon can shoot lightning, but chooses to slow it down for lulz? that is what you just argued. Also, dodges before it's fired? lulz, this is a 16 bit game and the bolts move the same speed as the ones Ganon shoots in the end. OoT and TP's attacks are also electricity, which Link swats right out of the air. Ganon returns them, too, which destroys your aim dodge argument.

2. You can claim aim dodging from 16 bit sprites? TALENT!

3. Whoopz.

4. Fair.

5. He shoots it all over the place when you chase him, actually.

6. Shoots it from satelite dishes.

7. Lol Bayonetta? You have a raging boner for her, eh?

Sin_Volvagia Senior Member

Originally posted by NemeBro
Bayonetta is not in this thread.

Neither is God of War 3.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
and then managed to trump the shit out of Zant when actual combat ensued. 😐

Lets see, Zants combat:
1. Teleport away from Link to get some distance and shoot projectiles.
2. Teleport a short distance (2m~) from Link then flail his swords around while making maniacal sounds.

Neither of those are the same as reacting to the teleport attack the LoK side offers..

ScreamPaste Carpe Noctem

Originally posted by BloodRain
Lets see, Zants combat:
1. Teleport away from Link to get some distance and shoot projectiles.
2. Teleport a short distance (2m~) from Link then flail his swords around while making maniacal sounds.
Neither of those are the same as reacting to the teleport attack the LoK side offers..

They're actually a lot better. Zant actually teleports behind you, and is a lot faster than any teleporter from the LOK side.