What, teleporting away is better? Or the way he attacks when he appears is better?
Zant dives at Link, Link reacts too slow. (Was looking right at Zant too.)
Zant jumps behind Link, Link reacts after Midna.
Zant teleports behind Link, Link takes almost a second to react.
ZelDorf teleports behind Link, Link reacts after he hears the footsteps.
That's every cutscene where someone does it and each time Link fails to act fast enough. Only time is in gameplay where he may appear behind you and is brought down by the distance, noise and slow attack. The video I posted shows a much faster attack..
Originally posted by BloodRainIf he reacts so slowly, why is it that when there's an entire section of the fight where Zant will teleport behind you and strike out immediately with a melee attack, Link wins?
What, teleporting away is better? Or the way he attacks when he appears is better?Zant dives at Link, Link reacts too slow. (Was looking right at Zant too.)
Zant jumps behind Link, Link reacts after Midna.
Zant teleports behind Link, Link takes almost a second to react.
ZelDorf teleports behind Link, Link reacts after he hears the footsteps.That's every cutscene where someone does it and each time Link fails to act fast enough. Only time is in gameplay where he may appear behind you and is brought down by the distance, noise and slow attack. The video I posted shows a much faster attack..
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. So, Ganon can shoot lightning, but chooses to slow it down for lulz? that is what you just argued. Also, dodges before it's fired? lulz, this is a 16 bit game and the bolts move the same speed as the ones Ganon shoots in the end. OoT and TP's attacks are also electricity, which Link swats right out of the air. Ganon returns them, too, which destroys your aim dodge argument.2. You can claim aim dodging from 16 bit sprites? TALENT!
3. Whoopz.
4. Fair.
5. He shoots it all over the place when you chase him, actually.
6. Shoots it from satelite dishes.
7. Lol Bayonetta? You have a raging boner for her, eh?
1. Agahnim charges up before he shoots something. TP and OoT energy balls are electricity but don't move lightning speed.
7. I don't have boners to any fictional character and if I did, I'd prefer Jeanne over Bayonetta any day especially since I don't like the main character.
4 cutsene moments > one fight where he may go behind you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80yj-yzzcWU
Care to point out when he specifically teleports behind Link where its not a random 'can appear behind'?
Yes, randomly appears 2m around Link then attacks. Obviously its not clear if he fails to do so in 4 cutscene instances, three of which with the same person.
No that merely jumps to another argument. You say lightning bolts, did that attack even vaguely resembly a lightning bolt? No it was an electric orb.
In that scene there is electricity sparking around the ball, the ball can't be moving at lightning speed if the electricity moves around the ball faster then it itself moves. That and electric orbs in fiction are never that I know at lightning speed.
If it was simple gameplay then why make the orb slower then arrows? If it was lightning speed they could of easily increase the speed to a level where its fast but slow enough to reflect in order to show that its at lightning speed.
In gameplay, you know, when the player has to be able to react to them. an entirely different kettle of fish.
Also, you seem to be ignoring that it is not a "maybe". Zant did teleport behind Link, who did beat him. Ganon did, and Link did turn around before we even saw him, in a seperate cutscene, later on, whcih overrides your earlier ones anyway.
Also, deflects lightning. He literally swats it whiel it's travelling through the air. Electricity is fast shit.
Originally posted by The Scenario[/B][/QUOTE] Someone else brought up Kratos and doors which I destroyed their argument because he's strong whereas Link isn't.
Kratos doesn't always obey physics. Link does, and is stronger because of it. Now stop bringing up Kratos, he's not even in this thread.Yes, he weilds it easier than the boss he took it from.
Ganondorf was actually than in TP there. Regardless, the speed he shows while dead is better than what Kain has shown.
He was quicker and stronger than Kain while he had a sword in the chest, from what I've seen. Ganondorf can teleport, and that faster that Kain, too. If you disagree, post evidence.
It's quite simple:
Bo's feat- Wrestled a single random Goron.
Link's feat- Defeated Bo, defeated a Goron Chief (stronger and more skilled than a random Goron), stopped several Gorons, picked up and threw several Gorons, stopped a massive armored Goron, threw said massive armored Goron, and just being super hylian.
Your pathetic Bo excuse does not, and never did, hold water. Link is clearly portrayed as far superior to Bo in terms of strength, so claiming that Bo could do anything Link has done is pure folly.
The other games do not count and since the timelines split alternate realities are formed outside the main reality so it's a no go. Regardless, it cannot be used.
The boss wields it with one arm so you are lying. Link can barely move when he wields it and it shows off he's not even as strong as the boss just like he is portrayed as not strong throughout the entire game.
He used the power to resist it and in the end of the game that power failed him. I guess even despite having an outside power source back him you claim he was still exhausted which makes the power which brought him back look anything but impressive.
That does matter. You don't even know what an alternate reality really is and I just told you and it still won't matter because zelda must win iyo so the facts don't really matter here.
Bo beat a goron and he isn't superhylian and neither is Link. I mean come on here you are just making things up again.
If you call him barely able to move while using both hands to wield it doing easily then I suggest you watch the boss use it because he doesn't need to use all that strength and doesn't lack lateral movement like Link does when he wields it. I am right.
Bo is the one who taught Link how to pull it off. I mean Link couldn't have done it without Bo's training in the game and without the boots he gave him so again the game backs me up.
I know what happened but according to you even with the backing of the power here he still got winded which makes me think less of the power backing him. Nicely done.
Good and I can keep this up forever and a day. Link isn't portrayed as strong in the game or superhylian he's just the hero who is destined to pull this out and he gets the training and gear to achieve his destiny.
What feats have I taken away from Link unfairly?
Excuses the boss wielded it just fine with one arm because he was stronger than Link.
Another flat out lie. Link can barely move when he uses the ball and chain. Link shows with the ball and chain that he's anything but superhuman.
No, he doesn't show any speed he reacts and takes one out due to their shock and they then react promptly and easily defeat him. If Ganondorf was fast he can take out more than one mage when they are shocked he is breaking free and doing what he was doing.
Kain's reactions are faster than Ganondorf's because he's stronger and much faster than any mortal man whereas ganondorf can't seem to get the better of Link in tp. Ganondorf's feats are on par with a hylian's. Not impressed.
Bo showed Link how to beat any gorons which meant without the gear and knowledge Link couldn't do it on his own. To say Bo can't do what Link can is ridiculous because he had the boots and previously did so and also knew how to stop the goat the same technique Link used on the Gorons.
Link defeated Bo yes but he's out of his prime and of course he has to beat Bo who he is on par with. Link wasn't in a class by himself he was Bo's peer. He wasn't superhylian he was just a well equipped, well trained hylian.
Originally posted by The ScenarioYes, if the timeline merges and splits it's different ganondorfs and different realities.
No idea what happened there.Not alternate realities. It's the same Ganon.
The boss can barely move, and weilds it slower than Link does, so you're the one who's lying. Link is consistently portrayed as superhylian. You are ignoring facts.
I've explained this to you five times. The Master Sword was designed to counter the Triforce, and that is why it failed. This is basic Zelda lore, here, try to understand it. Further, you are still ignoring facts. Ganondorf died because he didn't have the Triforce of Power. Then, via Diablus Ex Machina (and the fact that the Triforce transcends time), Ganondorf suddenly got some power he didn't know how to use properly. And again, [b]SWORD. THROUGH. THE. HEART.[B] Kain could not have done that, period.
The word you are looking for is parallel. Meaning the timelines were exactly the same except for one crucial detail. Ganondorf was the exact same person, because the detail didn't change him.
Circular logic. You're letting your preconceived ideas get in the way of the evidence. Just look at the mountain of evidence and remove the blindfold you're wearing.
Boss cannot move. Boss weilds it slower than Link. Boss dies like a wuss. It's obvious you didn't actually watch the fight, since Link uses it much easier.
Link surpassed Bo. Do you honestly think a student can't become better than a master? Link's feats blow Bo out of the water.
I can't believe you still don't understand this. Ganondorf was dead. Dead people do not leap twenty feet and disintegrate peope with a touch. The Triforce of Power was still unfamiliar to him at the time, and he wasn't even using the majority of it. You can clearly see later in the game that he does, and could revive himself from complete bodily destruction. Ganondorf lost because he was inexperienced with his new power and had A SWORD IN HIS HEART.
Didn't you give up before? This thread died a little bit after my bout with BT, and was only revived when he finally responded. You did nothing.
Further, you're really not getting what Hero of Destiny means.
Pretty much all of them.
Watch the video. Just accept that you were wrong.
@Bloodrain- Try this one:
4:00, Link reacts before we even see Ganondorf.
Regardless, it doesn't pass go anyways.
You posted a video of the guy swinging it around with one arm and claim Link can use it easier? There are no words to describe how wrong this is. None. The video backs me up and thanks. Link can't swing it around and needs to use both hands to just lift the thing and throw it once.
Ganondorf dies in this thread and he was defeated both times he used the power when he was impaled. facts is facts.
It doesn't count anyways and you are wrong.
There's no circular logic here Link was a peer to Bo and was taught the necessary skill by Bo to best the Gorons with the iron boots which was the key. The key wasn't Link there sparkplug, it was the boots.
Yes, I do believe Link was greater than Bo but the goron feats are only made possible through the iron boots which both did so neither are super strong it's the gear, sport.
You quit responding to me and now have decided to do so again. You will give in before I do just like last time.
No, you look at the feats with Link colored glasses while I look at the big picture.
The video proves this boss is a lot stronger than Link can ever hope to be.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteThat's not at lightning speed. I mean I have no idea about what you are thinking of when you play this game. The bolts are slower than molasses and Link isn't uber fast or portrayed anywhere near as quick as dante from dmc.
Also, plays tennis with lightning a few moments later.
Originally posted by NemeBro1.No, the feats don't apply from another game. You also were using feats to show off Link not ganondorf is your memory this bad.
1. You should have put either a semicolon or a period before "it's." It is the same Ganon, the same feat applies. GET OUT. What is not allowed?2. Ah the value of gameplay mechanics. Electricity does not move at different speeds. He does not get the gameplay choice of moving, he kinda just stands there to stop it noob. Also, *hysterical.
3. The same one Link tosses pretty easily? Agreed. Kinda like the same giant Goron Link easily threw.
4. The effortless Ball and Chain feat? Bo is obviously just really strong, and the boots do not make him stronger. A heavier object in motion will always move the lighter one. Said goat was the size of a bull, and that is literally his first feat, invalidated by later ones.
5. You read Marvel sir, aka juvenile trite. It is certainly not complicated. I understand the ramifications of the multiple portrayals a character has under a different writer, but low feats are low feats.
Lifts a massive pillar in OoT with the help of the gauntlets, can push massive stone blocks without the gauntets in the same game, in TP he can stop a rolling, massive goron and throw it... Yeah no strength feats.
Pointing out grammatical errors on an online message board the signs of a desperate man indeed.
2.This is a magical bolt fired by Zelda in a fictional universe so please trying to equate magical bolts from her to lightning from the real world. 😂
3.Link needed the boots to do so and without them he can't do so because he's not strong hence the ball and chain. Does the ball and chain weigh more than a goron? Also, if he's so strong why can't he just throw bo or a goron in a sumo matchup. Answer:because he's not super strong he has to push them just like they have to push him. He can only toss them in ball form.
4.That's right Bo's a super strong character it's obvious I mean the guy can stop a charging goat. Nah, neither is super strong but with the proper gear both can best a goron.
5.You make zelda games complicated so I can only imagine what you would do with a few comics in your grasp.
This is tp Link only so again quit bringing up other games to justuify yourself this is a different Link.
Originally posted by BloodRainExactly and when you throw in the fact Kain is stronger, more ruthless, faster, and has more experience Link gets annihilated.
Lets see, Zants combat:
1. Teleport away from Link to get some distance and shoot projectiles.
2. Teleport a short distance (2m~) from Link then flail his swords around while making maniacal sounds.Neither of those are the same as reacting to the teleport attack the LoK side offers..
Kain's reactions are faster than Ganondorf's because he's stronger and much faster than any mortal man whereas ganondorf can't seem to get the better of Link in tp. Ganondorf's feats are on par with a hylian's. Not impressed.
Meanwhile, Link and Ganondorf play catch with lightning bolts, righto, sonny boy. 🙂 Also, Ganondorf and Link are not "mortal men", they're far and away superior to anything in the LoKverse.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Nah, get someone else too, lazy.No, just the ones that are electricity. Lightning is just electricity, electricity has the same speed going through a medium. Actually since the lightning bolts fired at Link go in a straight path and are from a relatively short distance away, they are prolly faster. You do realise that with those kinds of reflexes when Kain's sword so much as touches Link's skin he will have already dodged out of the way, right? As in before it even cuts him. Also, he will have time to react to Kain teleporting, only in your world would anyone just stand straight with a blank stare when their opponent just teleported.
Your just talking BS, your refering to something that "looks" like electricity then assuming that its only slower for player benefit, not because its sorcery and has different attributes than real natural storms. Both Zues, sorcerors in warcraft and Diablo, Warhammer and in so many other fictions can create powers in the form of balls or bolts, electricity/lightning is among them.
If the reaver touches Link skin he loses his soul so even in your poor example he dies. BR sniped the "blank stare" nonsense, Links reactions are slow and he cant react to something thats not even there a fraction of a second before.
This whole discussion around lightning and energy is lulzy fanwank to hype up Links slow reaction times. He dies, Kain probably wont even waste teleporting unless he does the dimentional one and kills half the TP main cast in the process but I dont think Quanchi wants this to be a stomp so Janos does it.
Also Kains faced and reacted to energy from Dejoule so it seems Kain can dodge pure energy!!!
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
they're far and away superior to anything in the LoKverse.
😆 A few of the lesser entities could kill them. Speaking of verses, the LoZverse would be buried by the EG.