Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Stopped by iron is irrelevant. Gorons are stated to be made of rock.Midna is also irrelevant, as all the force gets put into Link while midna merely sits on his back. Link stops him, midna flips him. That Ganon is extraordinarily heavy.
That is Ganon's normal form. And I believe there was a statement.
How much rock? their called rock people by some sources that i have seen but theres nothing that claims them as solid which would be ridiculous because they eat and have some form of metabolism and further, the majority of their form apepars to be flesh so being stopped by a young mans weight plus scraps of iron proves their hardly tens if not hundreds of tons....
All the force? Midna clutches Ganon and Link slides, Links just a anchor for Midna whos showing the strength, also how heavy? what was the daft calculation this time?
Normal form? Ganondorf seems his typical form, the forms he takes on as a beast seem different in several games. Either a boar, or that biped.
Originally posted by Burning thought
How much rock? their called rock people by some sources that i have seen but theres nothing that claims them as solid which would be ridiculous because they eat and have some form of metabolism and further, the majority of their form apepars to be flesh so being stopped by a young mans weight plus scraps of iron proves their hardly tens if not hundreds of tons....All the force? Midna clutches Ganon and Link slides, Links just a anchor for Midna whos showing the strength, also how heavy? what was the daft calculation this time?
Normal form? Ganondorf seems his typical form, the forms he takes on as a beast seem different in several games. Either a boar, or that biped.
The only thing they are proven to have within them is a stomach, which they fill with more rocks and hot spring water. They don't even need oxygen. Every last part of them is rock, they walk in lava like it isn't even there. Hell, one of them was fine after being launched out of a volcano during an eruption.
Midna can clutch Ganon all she wants, since she sits on Link's back, the force of the charge is transferred to him. There is no "daft calculation." But keep putting "daft" in front of things, it makes your sentences look more intelligent.
I got confused.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Someone else brought up Kratos and doors which I destroyed their argument because he's strong whereas Link isn't.
Stop doing that. You just said Link wasn't strong despite all evidence again. Further, you destroyed no arguments. The pont was that since Kratos is so strong, why can't he open doors quickly?
If Link is so so strong, why can't he <verb>? Those are the same exact question, and the point stands. What you are doing is cherry picking instances where Link doesn't use his full strength and claiming he's weak. Whoever brought up Kratos was likely pointing out this folly, by saying Kratos is weak since he can barely open doors.
Another flat out lie. Link can barely move when he uses the ball and chain. Link shows with the ball and chain that he's anything but superhuman.
You shouldn't call people liars when they aren't, Quanchi. It might make them angry.
Anyway, have you ever wondered why Link can still move despite carrying the Ball & Chain everywhere? He literally keeps the thing in his back pocket yet moves just fine as long as it isn't in his hands. And besides, Link uses it just fine when he swings it, much easier than the boss.
No, he doesn't show any speed he reacts and takes one out due to their shock and they then react promptly and easily defeat him. If Ganondorf was fast he can take out more than one mage when they are shocked he is breaking free and doing what he was doing.
It's like you can't comprehend the fact that characters aren't always at their best. Sometimes they might be weaker than other times. Having just been revived seconds ago, and not even at full power, Ganondorf is still moving pretty fast. Just remember that he's got a sword in his chest. You know, this is just like the Link thing. Ganondorf shows one instance where he isn't at his best and you suddenly think he's like that at all times.
Kain's reactions are faster than Ganondorf's because he's stronger and much faster than any mortal man whereas ganondorf can't seem to get the better of Link in tp. Ganondorf's feats are on par with a hylian's. Not impressed.
Logical fallacy right there. You say Kain is stronger and faster than any mortal man. So? Neither Ganondorf nor Link is a mortal man, so your gross generalization fails. You say Kain's better than Ganondorf because he's better than a mortal. Here you are implying that Ganondorf is mortal, and that Ganondorf is not better than a mortal. Hell, Link and Ganondorf aren't even human. Further, you imply that Ganondorf is on par with a hylian because he can't get the the better of Link. That implies Link is a normal hylian, which we all know is false. Normal hylians can't do what Link does.
You're stuck in a loop, man.
Bo showed Link how to beat any gorons which meant without the gear and knowledge Link couldn't do it on his own. To say Bo can't do what Link can is ridiculous because he had the boots and previously did so and also knew how to stop the goat the same technique Link used on the Gorons.
Another gross generalization. You are implying all Gorons are the same, which is just racist. For one, the Goron Cheif is the greatest Goron wrestler of them all. Did Bo defeat him? No. Did Link? Yes. Dangoro is three times larger than a normal Goron and much, much, heavier. Plus, he wears armor. Your post implies that he is just like any Goron. Did Bo lift him off the ground and throw him, or better yet, stop him from moving? No. Did Link? Yes.
You have no evidence that says Bo could do these things. All you have is the boots and some advice. I don't care how good your technique is, a human cannot stop a car. You can't say Bo did (Goron = car for this metaphor, FTW) when all he is confirmed to have done is wrestle one, and we don't even know which one.
Link defeated Bo yes but he's out of his prime and of course he has to beat Bo who he is on par with. Link wasn't in a class by himself he was Bo's peer. He wasn't superhylian he was just a well equipped, well trained hylian.
See, you almost get it, but not quite. This is an important moment right here. See, you just admitted that, despite Bo's enormus skill and perfect technique, he lost to the superior opponent. Training is good, yes, we know that. But without the physical ability to put it to use, it's worthless. Link, despite having less skill and experience, defeated a highly skilled Bo using his superior abilities.
Training and equipment does not explain all the things Link does. Attempting to stop a Goron rolling towards you, espescially one of Dangoro's weight, would shatter your arms regardless of what's on your feet. Link needed the strength and durability to not be crushed, even with the Iron Boots. That's proves he's superhylian right there. Then he goes and throws them. If you pay attention, you'll see he stops them before picking them up in a clear show of strength.
The Goron Chief could toss Link across the room with a slap if he's not wearing the Iron Boots, if you remember. Once he is wearing them, Link can take that same slap directly to his face without breaking his neck, and actually overpowers the Chief through main strength. Link is superhylian.
Yes, if the timeline merges and splits it's different ganondorfs and different realities.
But it was the same Ganondorf before the split. And in that reality, Ganondorf was weaker.
Regardless, it doesn't pass go anyways.
Just disallowing what you don't like?
You posted a video of the guy swinging it around with one arm and claim Link can use it easier? There are no words to describe how wrong this is. None. The video backs me up and thanks. Link can't swing it around and needs to use both hands to just lift the thing and throw it once.
See, I knew you'd say this. Just look at the video. That boss couldn't weild it worth anything. The boss couldn't move, the boss swung it slowly, and the boss could barely throw it. You're just fixating on the arms, instead of actually watching. If you'd payed attention, you'd realize that when Link uses it, he moves faster, swings faster, throws farther, and recovers the ball easier and faster. Much easier than the boss, who can't seem to actually handle the thing.
Ganondorf dies in this thread and he was defeated both times he used the power when he was impaled. facts is facts.
That's right, facts are facts. The problem is that you're ignoring some and taking others out of context. Ganondorf didn't have the Triforce of Power until the first time, and the second time was after four different battles, a possession, a transformation, another revival, and an exploding castle.
If you don't remember, Ganondorf started using his power to possess Zelda, and the startes throwing lightning around and making the floor explode. After Midna exorcised him via scattering peices of him all over the room. After that, he reformed from particles and transformed into his giant Ganon form. When that was defeated, his body was destroyed. After reforming again, this time in his giant head form, he blew up Hyrule castle and created another body. Then, after taking several Light Arrows to the back, he gets up and fight Link one more time. Only after this four part massive boss fight is Ganondorf finally impaled with the bane of his existence, the Master freaking Sword.
You don't think he was even a little tired after that? No, Ganondorf stood back up with the Master Sword still in his chest, and did not die until Zant did whatever the hell he did. It was symbolic or something, but the fact remains that Ganondorf still did not die until Zant severed their link.
That entire fight was an hour long durability fest and Ganondorf still didn't go down. He died standing up.
Compare Kain, who went down when the Sarafan Lord hit him once.
It doesn't count anyways and you are wrong.
I don't know what you're referring to here.
There's no circular logic here Link was a peer to Bo and was taught the necessary skill by Bo to best the Gorons with the iron boots which was the key. The key wasn't Link there sparkplug, it was the boots.
Already addressed.
Yes, I do believe Link was greater than Bo but the goron feats are only made possible through the iron boots which both did so neither are super strong it's the gear, sport.
You're ignoring physics again. Link needing the boots is just weight, not strength. Don't forget that.
You quit responding to me and now have decided to do so again. You will give in before I do just like last time.
What are you talking about? Check page 31. That's the point where BT jumped in a responded to my points to you, to which I responded with the same argument I used against you. That continued until page 32, wherein your only posts were directed at BT, and you simply ignored me and my posts. BT gave up for a while at that point and the last post before the thread died on page 33 was you agreeing with Moocow about Twilight Princess not having much personality, after I posted several pictures and a video confirming multiple creatures being vulnerable to Twilight transformation, which was my original point.
The final actual argument was mine, and I stopped posting because no one had responded to my points, including you. Then BT came back and all Hell broke loose. So no, I did not give in, my opponents just left without addressing my points. You were wrong there, bro.
No, you look at the feats with Link colored glasses while I look at the big picture.
While I use logic and physic to determine feats, and you repeat the same thing without evidence of your own.
Originally posted by BloodRain
It wasn't a bolt, that's the thing. It was an orb. Fictional electric orbs have never to my recollection moved at lightning speed, not even bullet speed.Same as in GoW3, Megaman BN, inFamous etc.
Unless there's definitive proof or reason for..
Zeus is the god of thunder/lightning in the GoW verse. Zeus jumping into the sky causes regular lightning bolts to form. He can slow down lightning as well if he wants apparently.
He casually throws bolts (in cutscenes...Arguing about this with regards to their gameplay speed is nothing but retarded) that are much faster than bullets.
If rain in the DMC verse falls at the speed of rain in our world, I don't see why lightning in the GoW verse cannot move at the speed of lightning in our world.
Hell, Poseidon throws out lightning that looks to be as fast as actual lightning, even though lightning isn't his 'speciality', at least not of the same calibre as Zeus.
~ Anyone have a video where Ganon tosses lightning bolts or orbs? (or the number of the page of this giant-ass thread that it was posted on)
Originally posted by quanchi1121. You have severely limited cognitive abilities Quan. Let me spell it out for you: Ganon and Link both performed the feat in one game, and since that it is the same Ganon, TP Link who fought with Ganon can do it to.
1.No, the feats don't apply from another game. You also were using feats to show off Link not ganondorf is your memory this bad.Pointing out grammatical errors on an online message board the signs of a desperate man indeed.
2.This is a magical bolt fired by Zelda in a fictional universe so please trying to equate magical bolts from her to lightning from the real world. 😂
3.Link needed the boots to do so and without them he can't do so because he's not strong hence the ball and chain. Does the ball and chain weigh more than a goron? Also, if he's so strong why can't he just throw bo or a goron in a sumo matchup. Answer:because he's not super strong he has to push them just like they have to push him. He can only toss them in ball form.
4.That's right Bo's a super strong character it's obvious I mean the guy can stop a charging goat. Nah, neither is super strong but with the proper gear both can best a goron.
5.You make zelda games complicated so I can only imagine what you would do with a few comics in your grasp.
This is tp Link only so again quit bringing up other games to justuify yourself this is a different Link.
You should have put a question mark after "board."
2. Ah, the old "EETZ MAJIK SO IT DUN'T COUNT!" argument, good times. Why would electricity created from magick be any slower?
3. Wear heavy boots and try to stop a bull. See how successful you are. You clearly have no grasp for physics, Gorons are much larger and heavier than Link, Daigoron especially so, and in physics the heavier object will always move the lighter one, this is not comic book land. Link needed more weight, it is still his strength throwing Daigoron. Try to wear iron boots and try to lift a bull and throw it, you will fail. He wings the ball of chain easily, just walks slowly with it. Why can he not? Trying to throw something is considerably more difficult when it has arms that are trying to push/throw you as well. He still was able to push a Goron out of the ring, therefore he was stronger than it. Do you think that the Gorons are ****ing lighter or something in ball form? Wear iron boots and try to stop a bull, SERIOUSLY, tell me how easy it is with that added weight. It may not move you, but you won't be doing anything to it.
4. That charging goat was the size of a bull. TRY TO STOP A BULL UNDER YOUR OWN ****INJG POWER. SERIOUSLY. DO YOU THINK WEARING HEAVY BOOTS MAKES THEM STRONGER? I wrote in all caps because you are either too slow or blind to read normally.
5. Not really, this is all in the games, and for the record, I do read comics, just not as much as you nor do I read shitty Marvel. Except good comics like Planet Hulk.
I cannot even recall what this is addressing.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Him lacking in magic and making up for it physically makes sense if your talking about base OoTLink, not magically enhanced.So you believe that TPLink can lift 1000+tons and able to lift an aircraft carrier even though there's nothing to say so? Interesting that someone of that strength struggles to move with Iron Boots, Ball&Chain and that armour.. You'd think that you could put 10 tons on him.. no, on one leg and he'd be able to move like it was nothing. Also take it that you think that humanDorf has the same strength as beastGanon? (OoT versions)
1. TP Link's still a disgrace to the tunic when he's overpowering Fyrus, a giant, magicly amped, super-strong living rock, who's on fire.
2. TP Link over powers human dorf AND beast dorf, so this human dorf argument is moot anyway.
3. Gameplay inconsistencies, just like Kratos struggling to open doors, then resisting Cronos.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The only thing they are proven to have within them is a stomach, which they fill with more rocks and hot spring water. They don't even need oxygen. Every last part of them is rock, they walk in lava like it isn't even there. Hell, one of them was fine after being launched out of a volcano during an eruption.Midna can clutch Ganon all she wants, since she sits on Link's back, the force of the charge is transferred to him. There is no "daft calculation." But keep putting "daft" in front of things, it makes your sentences look more intelligent.
I got confused.
Youve yet to prove their mostly rock, as I said from their appearance the majority of them is flesh, I event posted a large Goron image earlier that showed only the backs and writs seem to have rocky outcroppings, until you can prove that theres a high percentage of them that is rock then you my as well drop this.
At a much lower rate because shes already taken the primary impact which has been slowed on her strength as well, and Link is moved along the ground so he does not just stop it. Oh please, theres always a "daft" calculation thats trying to be sold as fact.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Been explained a millionz of tiemz.1. TP Link's still a disgrace to the tunic when he's overpowering Fyrus, a giant, magicly amped, super-strong living rock, who's on fire.
2. TP Link over powers human dorf AND beast dorf, so this human dorf argument is moot anyway.
3. Gameplay inconsistencies, just like Kratos struggling to open doors, then resisting Cronos.
The same Fyrus whos simply tripped by a young boy with some extra iron on his feet? obviously this rock is not as strong as you want to belive.
2. No its not moot, human dorf is simlply not shown to be equel physically to Ganon.
3. Cronos is not gameplay and is one of the very obvious vast feats of strength that Kratos shows throughout his series, Links apprent strength is from you and your math based on things you could never prove were even looked into and most have been refuted.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Youve yet to prove their mostly rock, as I said from their appearance the majority of them is flesh, I event posted a large Goron image earlier that showed only the backs and writs seem to have rocky outcroppings, until you can prove that theres a high percentage of them that is rock then you my as well drop this.
Bo states they are made of rock. Not partially rock, or a little rock, he says they are made of rock.
At a much lower rate because shes already taken the primary impact which has been slowed on her strength as well, and Link is moved along the ground so he does not just stop it. Oh please, theres always a "daft" calculation thats trying to be sold as fact.
That does not even make a little sense. There is no rate of energy transferred, that's gibberish. It's not a lower amount of energy, as that doesn't just disappear. All of the energy is transferred to Link, because of the simple fact that Midna and Link are in contact with each other, and forces applied to her are also applied to Link, who she's sitting on.
What does Link moving have anything to do with this? It looks like Link's wolf form wasn't heavy enough to stop Ganon cold, even though he's strong enough. Iron Boots would have solved that.
The same Fyrus whos simply tripped by a young boy with some extra iron on his feet? obviously this rock is not as strong as you want to belive.
You keep forgetting that the boots are not simply iron, and make Link much heavier. Also, during the battle with Fyrus, the floor was magnetic, so the boots were actually attatched to the floor.
2. No its not moot, human dorf is simlply not shown to be equel physically to Ganon.
Link shows he is, though.
3. Cronos is not gameplay and is one of the very obvious vast feats of strength that Kratos shows throughout his series, Links apprent strength is from you and your math based on things you could never prove were even looked into and most have been refuted.
By who? You've never looked into anything, and I haven't see the math being refuted at all. You just say you did, and then nothing happens.
Originally posted by Heythere,Honey
Wait...Turning into Beast Ganon would be a bit pointless if human and beast Ganon had the same strength rite?
It provides extra mass/increased weight, so he can throw his strength around easier.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Zeus is the god of thunder/lightning in the GoW verse. Zeus jumping into the sky causes regular lightning bolts to form. He can slow down lightning as well if he wants apparently.
He casually throws bolts (in cutscenes...Arguing about this with regards to their gameplay speed is nothing but retarded) that are much faster than bullets.
If rain in the DMC verse falls at the speed of rain in our world, I don't see why lightning in the GoW verse cannot move at the speed of lightning in our world.Hell, Poseidon throws out lightning that looks to be as fast as actual lightning, even though lightning isn't his 'speciality', at least not of the same calibre as Zeus.
~ Anyone have a video where Ganon tosses lightning bolts or orbs? (or the number of the page of this giant-ass thread that it was posted on)
That's regular lightning bolts.. hold on if he can slow down bolts then this whole 'react to lightning speed' thing is over.. But as I said his bolts are the closest thing to real speed, whats being used here are electric orbs not the bolts. Wasn't posted on this thread; YouTube video 0:10 and 0:40.
(On that rain part, the fall speed used was 5m/s when IRL it would be 10m/s.. Besides the point.)
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Been explained a millionz of tiemz.1. TP Link's still a disgrace to the tunic when he's overpowering Fyrus, a giant, magicly amped, super-strong living rock, who's on fire.
2. TP Link over powers human dorf AND beast dorf, so this human dorf argument is moot anyway.
3. Gameplay inconsistencies, just like Kratos struggling to open doors, then resisting Cronos.
The only accountable strength feat besides this theorised Ganon blocking is throwing Dangoro, <100 tons.
There's no strength feat for boarGanons charge and besides Link wasn't the muscle behind stopping him, argue that he takes the force through him but it still wouldnt make him physically strong enough to solo take a head on collision. Unless there's a scene where Dorf overpowers OoTLink wearing the GG there's nothing to say what Dorf is at that strength.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Bo states they are made of rock. Not partially rock, or a little rock, he says they are made of rock.It provides extra mass/increased weight, so he can throw his strength around easier.
It's not like Bo would state that they're partly rock, partly silicone with a stomach, heart, brain etc. He'd state the basic information that Link needs to hear not all the irrelevant things. Besides, the average Goron is <10 tons.
There is literally nothing to say that Dorf and Ganon have the exact same strength. The obvious is the beast being stronger then the man.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Bo states they are made of rock. Not partially rock, or a little rock, he says they are made of rock.That does not even make a little sense. There is no rate of energy transferred, that's gibberish. It's not a lower amount of energy, as that doesn't just disappear. All of the energy is transferred to Link, because of the simple fact that Midna and Link are in contact with each other, and forces applied to her are also applied to Link, who she's sitting on.
What does Link moving have anything to do with this? It looks like Link's wolf form wasn't heavy enough to stop Ganon cold, even though he's strong enough. Iron Boots would have solved that.
You keep forgetting that the boots are not simply iron, and make Link much heavier. Also, during the battle with Fyrus, the floor was magnetic, so the boots were actually attatched to the floor.
Link shows he is, though.
By who? You've never looked into anything, and I haven't see the math being refuted at all. You just say you did, and then nothing happens.
It provides extra mass/increased weight, so he can throw his strength around easier.
As BR said, he is simply being general. "rock people", made of "rock". A car is made of steel, that does not mean to say I can assume its a 100% solid steel lump.
Yes it does, it makes perfect sense because the pressure of Ganons attack hits Midnas hair, which has strength enough to stop it.
It shows that Ganon was not even completly stopped, it took some drag.
Thats never stated or implied other than in your fanon. The boots are simply called "iron" by Bo and he even emphasises the fact that their made of Iron. He mensions no special magic charm that makes Link heavier.
2. when?
When does Link show this?
Everyone from me, to sin to Bloodrain has picked at the math at times. I can do it again if I wanted to, the evidence itself also suggests its unlikely as I just said to Moo.