Originally posted by The ScenarioNo, I didn't. Kraots is lifting a huge door not struggling to wield a weapon in combat. Big difference there. Kratos is really strong whereas Link isn't. He's at or slightly above Bo strength. I argue based on how they are portrayed and Link isn't portrayed strong you just take his feats and exaggerate them.
Stop doing that. You just said Link wasn't strong despite all evidence again. Further, you destroyed no arguments. The pont was that since Kratos is so strong, why can't he open doors quickly?If Link is so so strong, why can't he <verb>? Those are the same exact question, and the point stands. What you are doing is cherry picking instances where Link doesn't use his full strength and claiming he's weak. Whoever brought up Kratos was likely pointing out this folly, by saying Kratos is weak since he can barely open doors.
You shouldn't call people liars when they aren't, Quanchi. It might make them angry.
Anyway, have you ever wondered why Link can still move despite carrying the Ball & Chain everywhere? He literally keeps the thing in his back pocket yet moves just fine as long as it isn't in his hands. And besides, Link uses it just fine when he swings it, much easier than the boss.
It's like you can't comprehend the fact that characters aren't always at their best. Sometimes they might be weaker than other times. Having just been revived seconds ago, and not even at full power, Ganondorf is still moving pretty fast. Just remember that he's got a sword in his chest. You know, this is just like the Link thing. Ganondorf shows one instance where he isn't at his best and you suddenly think he's like that at all times.
Logical fallacy right there. You say Kain is stronger and faster than any mortal man. So? Neither Ganondorf nor Link is a mortal man, so your gross generalization fails. You say Kain's better than Ganondorf because he's better than a mortal. Here you are implying that Ganondorf is mortal, and that Ganondorf is not better than a mortal. Hell, Link and Ganondorf aren't even human. Further, you imply that Ganondorf is on par with a hylian because he can't get the the better of Link. That implies Link is a normal hylian, which we all know is false. Normal hylians can't do what Link does.
You're stuck in a loop, man.
Another gross generalization. You are implying all Gorons are the same, which is just racist. For one, the Goron Cheif is the greatest Goron wrestler of them all. Did Bo defeat him? No. Did Link? Yes. Dangoro is three times larger than a normal Goron and much, [b]much
, heavier. Plus, he wears armor. Your post implies that he is just like any Goron. Did Bo lift him off the ground and throw him, or better yet, stop him from moving? No. Did Link? Yes.You have no evidence that says Bo could do these things. All you have is the boots and some advice. I don't care how good your technique is, a human cannot stop a car. You can't say Bo did (Goron = car for this metaphor, FTW) when all he is confirmed to have done is wrestle one, and we don't even know which one.
See, you almost get it, but not quite. This is an important moment right here. See, you just admitted that, despite Bo's enormus skill and perfect technique, he lost to the superior opponent. Training is good, yes, we know that. But without the physical ability to put it to use, it's worthless. Link, despite having less skill and experience, defeated a highly skilled Bo using his superior abilities.
Training and equipment does not explain all the things Link does. Attempting to stop a Goron rolling towards you, espescially one of Dangoro's weight, would shatter your arms regardless of what's on your feet. Link needed the strength and durability to not be crushed, even with the Iron Boots. That's proves he's superhylian right there. Then he goes and throws them. If you pay attention, you'll see he stops them before picking them up in a clear show of strength.
The Goron Chief could toss Link across the room with a slap if he's not wearing the Iron Boots, if you remember. Once he is wearing them, Link can take that same slap directly to his face without breaking his neck, and actually overpowers the Chief through main strength. Link is superhylian.
But it was the same Ganondorf before the split. And in that reality, Ganondorf was weaker.
Just disallowing what you don't like?
See, I knew you'd say this. Just look at the video. That boss couldn't weild it worth anything. The boss couldn't move, the boss swung it slowly, and the boss could barely throw it. You're just fixating on the arms, instead of actually watching. If you'd payed attention, you'd realize that when Link uses it, he moves faster, swings faster, throws farther, and recovers the ball easier and faster. Much easier than the boss, who can't seem to actually handle the thing.
That's right, facts are facts. The problem is that you're ignoring some and taking others out of context. Ganondorf didn't have the Triforce of Power until the first time, and the second time was after four different battles, a possession, a transformation, another revival, and an exploding castle.
If you don't remember, Ganondorf started using his power to possess Zelda, and the startes throwing lightning around and making the floor explode. After Midna exorcised him via scattering peices of him all over the room. After that, he reformed from particles and transformed into his giant Ganon form. When that was defeated, his body was destroyed. After reforming again, this time in his giant head form, he blew up Hyrule castle and created another body. Then, after taking several Light Arrows to the back, he gets up and fight Link one more time. Only after this four part massive boss fight is Ganondorf finally impaled with the bane of his existence, the Master freaking Sword.
You don't think he was even a little tired after that? No, Ganondorf stood back up with the Master Sword still in his chest, and did not die until Zant did whatever the hell he did. It was symbolic or something, but the fact remains that Ganondorf still did not die until Zant severed their link.
That entire fight was an hour long durability fest and Ganondorf still didn't go down. He died standing up.Compare Kain, who went down when the Sarafan Lord hit him once.
I don't know what you're referring to here.
Already addressed.
You're ignoring physics again. Link needing the boots is just weight, not strength. Don't forget that.
What are you talking about? Check page 31. That's the point where BT jumped in a responded to my points to you, to which I responded with the same argument I used against you. That continued until page 32, wherein your only posts were directed at BT, and you simply ignored me and my posts. BT gave up for a while at that point and the last post before the thread died on page 33 was you agreeing with Moocow about Twilight Princess not having much personality, after I posted several pictures and a video confirming multiple creatures being vulnerable to Twilight transformation, which was my original point.
The final actual argument was mine, and I stopped posting because no one had responded to my points, including you. Then BT came back and all Hell broke loose. So no, I did not give in, my opponents just left without addressing my points. You were wrong there, bro.
While I use logic and physic to determine feats, and you repeat the same thing without evidence of your own. [/B]
He accessed the triforce of power and still got spanked by the mages. Despite being favored in this way it didn't matter and he was easily bested and only managed to take one with him.
Link is comparable to Bo who is an out of his prime mayor who seems to match him just fine. Dorf also doesn't show any strength feats at all he just has access to magic and power. Kain has them both beat. Kain also manhandles raziel and can easily tear hearts out through armor yet what can these guys do by strength alone?
The point is Bo had the skills and the gear to best one and Link can't throw them unless they roll at him so Bo and Link are comparable and both can beat Gorons. You can't say Bo can't do what Link can't since he taught Link how to best them in the first place.
Link edges him out despite him being older and in terrible shape. That doesn't bode well for Link or Gorons seeing as how Bo bested one and is comparable to Link.
It's a video game with magic involved so please quit trying to make sense of it. He needs the boots and so did Bo and we don't even know their weight so you have nothing.
The boss swung it effortlessly while Link needs to arms to barely toss it so yes Link is far weaker than the boss which is how he is portrayed.
Dorf lost both times no matter what he faced. He got killed by one sword impalement and even when he survived the first one he was still easily beaten and exhausted according to you. Thanks again.
Most bosses need to be beaten time and time again. He gets stabbed and his body isn't even destroyed yet he lost and in the first battle he got impaled and was weakened so in dorf form a sword impalement spells trouble for him. Kain walks all over him.
He was helpless anyways and died and you are speculating on why he died. he gets really weak when he gets impaled and both times he lost so just like I stated it spells trouble and near defeat.
They had a long sword battle and he took the reaver off him and won due to the nexus stone. Kain comes back and kills him when his strength returns. He tosses the nexus stone aside and still bests him despite the Hylden Lord wielding the reaver.
You from what I recall debated with him or started maybe using quotes from both to argue with to make it hard to follow along.
In any event the lok side wins.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteThis isn't ho wLink is portrayed in the game and the bolts are slower than zant's which he isn't fast enough to volley back.
Yeah, slow enough to play catch with Ganondorf and his lightning bolts. haermmWanna talk consistency, Link handles electricity in more games than Kain shows any incling of strength above human.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteLink's not quick enough to react to lightning bolts and it wasn't even a pure lightning bolt so again you are exaggerating another feat. Kain is portrayed as far faster than any man, far faster than any man. he can easily tear hearts out, move far quicker than any human, can jump long distances to make Car Lewis envious yet you claim Link is faster when reacting then dante from dmc?
Lol.
"Kain's faster because I say so!"Meanwhile, Link and Ganondorf play catch with lightning bolts, righto, sonny boy. 🙂 Also, Ganondorf and Link are not "mortal men", they're far and away superior to anything in the LoKverse.
No, they actually aren't. The minds, the powers, and the abilities of the lokverse is far and away superior to a kid who lets kids take his shield and stops goats in his off time.
Originally posted by NemeBro1.No, it's a no go and that Link hasn't done so so it's not allowed. Don't bring it up again.
1. You have severely limited cognitive abilities Quan. Let me spell it out for you: Ganon and Link both performed the feat in one game, and since that it is the same Ganon, TP Link who fought with Ganon can do it to.You should have put a question mark after "board."
2. Ah, the old "EETZ MAJIK SO IT DUN'T COUNT!" argument, good times. Why would electricity created from magick be any slower?
3. Wear heavy boots and try to stop a bull. See how successful you are. You clearly have no grasp for physics, Gorons are much larger and heavier than Link, Daigoron especially so, and in physics the heavier object will always move the lighter one, this is not comic book land. Link needed more weight, it is still his strength throwing Daigoron. Try to wear iron boots and try to lift a bull and throw it, you will fail. He wings the ball of chain easily, just walks slowly with it. Why can he not? Trying to throw something is considerably more difficult when it has arms that are trying to push/throw you as well. He still was able to push a Goron out of the ring, therefore he was stronger than it. Do you think that the Gorons are ****ing lighter or something in ball form? Wear iron boots and try to stop a bull, SERIOUSLY, tell me how easy it is with that added weight. It may not move you, but you won't be doing anything to it.
4. That charging goat was the size of a bull. TRY TO STOP A BULL UNDER YOUR OWN ****INJG POWER. SERIOUSLY. DO YOU THINK WEARING HEAVY BOOTS MAKES THEM STRONGER? I wrote in all caps because you are either too slow or blind to read normally.
5. Not really, this is all in the games, and for the record, I do read comics, just not as much as you nor do I read shitty Marvel. Except good comics like Planet Hulk.
I cannot even recall what this is addressing.
2.You seem to think real world physics are mimicked by video game verse physics. it doesn't and if so the burden is on you to prove it.
3.As long as there is a fairy there to replenish my hearts. It's a fictional game you continually try to pretend is reality. Things don't have to make sense in video games, sport.
4.Link needed the boots just like Bo and neither were superhuman strong they just had the proper skills and the proper gear.
5.So you say you don't read comics or shitty ones like from marvel and then at the end say only good ones like Planet Hulk which is a marvel title. You're amusing to watch as you even contradict and mock yourself.
Originally posted by BloodRain
I forget, wasn't there a way in TP to find out how heavy the Boots are?
In the Temple of Time, there was a set of scales that Link could put statues on in order to lift himself up. He put statues on one platform, and they lifted another, which Link could use to get to a higher place. 2 statues is equal to Link's weight without the boots. I guess that proves Link can lift at least half his weight and still run at full speed.
Anyway, there are 5 statues, so 2 1/2 times Link's weight plus a final huge statue that is equal to the above 5, making one platform 5 times as heavy as Link. With Iron Boots, Link is still heavier than all of it, so it's still inconclusive, but that is enough to prove that it isn't "just slabs of iron on his feet." Assuming Link weighs even 140 lbs (63 kg, on the conservative side) then each boot would have to weigh upwards of 300 lbs (138 kg) for a total of 600 lbs (272 kg.) For boots of that size (BT claims that they are very thin), iron just is not heavy enough.
Note: The platforms were not equal. Link was clearly heavier than the combined weight, not equal to it. My calculations are assuming that they were equal, in which case 5x would be the known weight. However, as the platforms were not equal, and Link was heavier, the 5x figure is just a bare minimum, and not even an accurate one, as we have not yet seen anything that can equal Link + Iron Boots in terms of weight.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteHis deeds and the things that happen to him are all the will of the gods, Link is just there, present. He has no narrated thoughts, and his only trait is being a shovel of goodness to uproot evil.
Actually, the course of the games alone gives Link plenty of character, his deeds, the things that happen to him, and the narrated thoughts they give him at times. Especially the more recent ones such as OoT/MM Link, WW Link, and TP Link. 😐 You don't get fanboys like me by being a wooden mannequin.
Men will worship some very shallow things.
Like women.
Ooooh edgy. 131
Looks like the zelda bigshot agrees with me as well per his own words.
Sometimes we need that exaggeration to implement the elements that are more outlandish and could only fit within the realm of fantasy. I think there are a lot of games out there that are super-realistic, and I've never felt that Zelda really fits into the same category as those games.
So this shuts down any more physics related feats from now on.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/109/1099184p3.html