Originally posted by The ScenarioKratos lifts bigger doors than Link. That's a huge difference and I don't see Link budging the door since he isn't anywhere near as strong as Kratos but I do see Kratos easily wielding the ball and chain since he's like 30 times stronger.
Kratos is struggling to lift a door that Link opens easily. So, no, no big difference. Further, you have once again claimed that Link is weak just because he is weak. Further still, you don't seem to understand either what the word "feat" means, what the word "portray" means, or possibly both. Feats = portrayal.Congratulations on ignoring all evidence and simply restating the same argument you used last time. You're taking things out of context and calling them unimpressive. You once again ignore crucial facts in favour of simply using your preconceived opinions without even revising them to suit the argument.
I will explain it again, and maybe add even more context. At that point in time, Ganondorf was still part of a band of theives, and relatively inexperienced with magic. The sages even said he was blinded by ambition and captured. What you don't seem to realize is that this moment is a flashback. It happened a long freaking time ago. At that point in time Ganondorf was much weaker and less skilled. He is then stabbed through the heart and killed, before being brought back by the Triforce of Power, which he did not even have before that point.
Now, I want you to put yourself in Ganondorf's place here. You think you're dead, when suddenly you find that you're alive again. You have a sword in your heart, which freaking hurts. Now remember that you've never weilded much magic before, and then a divine artifact full of strength and magic just falls in your lap. Do you know how to use it? No, it just appeared there a second ago. Are you still confused as to why you're still alive despite a sword in your chest? You bet you are. You're disoriented and confused, and lash out blindly at the first thing you see, which happens to be the Sage of Water. After completely disintegrating his with a mere touch, you remember that you still have a sword in your chest. As you pull it out (this still hurts, by the way), the Sages activate that mirror you never knew about and then suddenly you're disintegrating.
Bottom line: [b]GANONDORF WAS NOT AT FULL POWER THERE. STOP PRETENDING HE WAS.
Bo does not match Link. You're now claiming that Bo was not at his best, while ignoring the fact that Ganondorf was not at his best. Nice. Further, Bo had no flashback, we don't even know when he did it or what shape he was in. You are simply assuming things that are not shown. I'm sure in your mind youre picturing Bo as being a lean strong man bulging with muscle when he wrestled the Goron, but no, that is not shown, so you can't claim out of shape when we don't know Bo's original shape.
You're also ignoring your own claim, that skill and training determine what someone can do. Bo was much more skilled, since he taught Link, right? Haven't you been saying that wasn't Link's strength that let him win against the Gorons, but his skill? Yet now that doesn't seem to apply to Bo, now that it's disadvantageous to you. That also ignores the fact that Link defeated the Goron Cheif, the greatest wrestler of them all. Does that mean Link suddenly became an absolute master despite learning how only an hour before? See, I think it was his strength.
See above for skill. Now, why are you saying Link can't throw a Goron when they're not rolling? Is it because of he simply didn't throw anyone during the wrestling match, despite that being the only outlier among tons of other throws? But Quanchi, surely you realize that Link wasn't taught how to throw Gorons while wrestling, and you say Link can't do anything he wasn't taught how to do. That's a little contraictory, isn't it?
And isn't it also an example of how you take one low feat and just run with it, despite the availability of better feats? Link throws at least 20 Gorons, but the one time he doesn't throw one means he suddenly can't anymore? But that's clearly contradictory! Surely you realize that 20 throws trump 1 not-throw, correct?
Terrible shape? I just went over this. You still don't know what shape Bo was in, do you? If you do, evidence would be nice, don't you agree? And are you ignoring things again? Oh yes, the Goron Cheif being a better wrestler than all of the other Gorons. I say again that Bo defeated a random Goron, but Link defeated a master.
But Quanchi, how else are we to determine what these characters are capable of? Do you have evidence that magic was in use during this instance? You seem to have less than I do, seeing as you have to claim that reality doesn't apply.
Oh, come now, you know better than that! See, I had outlined this list of things that the boss does that were inferior to Link, and you just go right back to spouting that Link is weak without even once addressing the points I made. That isn't very nice!
Awww man, really? That's too bad that you didn't want to read my post. I made some pretty good points there, I thooght. Now I have to do it again, huh? But I already did! Oh well, maybe somebody else will read it.
What first battle are you talking about, Quanchi? I mean, I was just saying that there was that time when an inexperienced Ganondorf got executed and BFR'd by the Sages, but I didn't think that was a battle since Ganondorf wasn't at full power.
Hey, hey! Did you read my post there? I thought it was good one. You know, all that stuff about Ganondorf reforming his body and reviving and stuff, at least until that Master sword messed up that power. I mean really, why bother with the reviving and body reforming when your opponent has a sword that cancels it out? Yeah, that Master Sword is a toughie, alright. I guess it's a good thing Kain doesn't have it, huh? But its not like even the Master Sword worked instantly, though. I mean, look at those boss fights! He had to weakened a ton to even get to that point, too. Really, with stuff like that and no Master Sword, how in the world could Kain hope to win?
Yeah, you're right! That only works when Ganondorf's already near defeat! That's a pretty cool thing to notice. Yeah, look at how Ganondorf was already captured and weak that first time, and then had four boss fights just to get him like that for the second time! It looks like Kain's got his work cut out for him, huh?
Oooooh! Isn't that cool! It's just like with Ganondorf, isn't it? They had that really long battle and then one guy won with this special sword that had a special effect! Of course, that second part didn't happen except for Ganondorf always coming back. But he can't touch the Master Sword, y'know.
But I gave you the page! Didn't you read it? That's kind of thing always makes me a little crazy...you haven't noticed anything like that, have you?
Oh, the madness, when will it end? Does it end? It's just a little crazy, huh, Quanchi? Just crazy. [/B]
It never said he was weaker and less skilled. he was overconfident and caught off guard just like he was at the end of the game. A true moron is someone who doesn't learn from their mistakes ala Ganondorf. Even you claim he's the same guy yet he is always defeated by the hero of destiny over and over again. Dorf's born to fail.
I would never have underestimated my opponents like he had so I wouldn't be in that situation. He was clearly outclassed even though he had access to this power which doesn't make this power seem impressive to me, anyways.
He was at full power at the end of the game and let's face it we didn't see any difference except this time the power failed him.
Bo is a matchup for Link and through trial and error or whatever depending on the skill of the player you best Bo once so it's not canon how quickly he defeats Bo or how many times he gets knocked out of the ring before he does so. What is canon is both are peers in terms of sumo and both are around the same strength and you must win by skill not by power.
Yes, that's why because he can't throw any gorons outside a wrestling match and when he wrestles he can barely shove them so quit acting like he could throw them because if he could he could easily shove them at will but since he can't I am right once again.
Bo by the looks of things and by the manner in which he ran from Link as a wolf didn't seem to be in great shape at all. Any reason why you feel he was a physical specimen other than using this as evidence for Link's uberness yet again?
I just quoted one of the game's creators who stated these games aren't even close to being realistic so just accept what he has to say and move on.
Link can't handle the weapon as easily as the boss he needs both arms to wield it which proves he's physically weaker.
Dorf gets owned in combat the next time he shows up against Link. Both times he starts acting up he gets slammed back down.
Kain loses to the sarafan lord because of the nexus stone then comes back and wipes him off the map.
Please don't justify anything due to how many times you have to fight the boss, lol.
This is a forum matchup where he doesn't need the master sword to kill him so he doesn't need it and anyways with plot devices in you can't kill someone who wields the reaver.
I have and will continue to respond to you I am not going back to respond to something on page 31 you hid with a response to bt.
Look at the enemies in lok, they are bigger, badder, and far more vicious. Kain's far craftier than anyone in loz.