Quanchi, Ganondorf has amazing durability, physical strength, TK, and an array of many abilities. Most of Kain's powers don't have feats. If they do, BT has never showed them. He spends his time trying to downplay the other character. And when Kain is in trouble, he harps on his Mist form and Teleportation, neither of which are as useful as he would like to believe.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtSame goes with them needing the light arrows or the master sword so it evens out.
Only in this event, without fairness involved they could not.Its not impressive because toppling an old medieval castle does not compare to a continent sized squid. Considering the Elder God burrows throughout the Earth, in the deepest places (deep areas of a planet are mostly metal, ore etc) with ease he would topple that castle with one tentacle himself.
Its physically certain that he can, your using the fact that the exact point you fight EG he only uses a part of his form. Youve allowed the whole Elder God as an entity.
huge powerful monster? Midna was what, probably 15+ feet tall at the most?
Kain defeated this squid so don't act like he's anything even remotely close to unbeatable by the hyrulian forces here.
This is how the character fights not you jumping into the character which a zelda fan can then do against you.
I don't know exactly how tall she was but she was extremely powerful and to take out a castle that quickly shows the battle let loose a lot of power. Why can't they bury the elder god in his tomb like Kain did?
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeAt the end of the day though Kain's soulreaver is going to do massive damage to Ganodorf if and when he connects. Both would be hurt by the other's sword.
Quanchi, Ganondorf has amazing durability, physical strength, TK, and an array of many abilities. Most of Kain's powers don't have feats. If they do, BT has never showed them. He spends his time trying to downplay the other character. And when Kain is in trouble, he harps on his Mist form and Teleportation, neither of which are as useful as he would like to believe.
I so see Kain having a definite speed advantage here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Same goes with them needing the light arrows or the master sword so it evens out.Kain defeated this squid so don't act like he's anything even remotely close to unbeatable by the hyrulian forces here.
This is how the character fights not you jumping into the character which a zelda fan can then do against you.
I don't know exactly how tall she was but she was extremely powerful and to take out a castle that quickly shows the battle let loose a lot of power. Why can't they bury the elder god in his tomb like Kain did?
That would be a no limit fallacy claim based on the games rules, not actual statistics.
Kain has a so much more than the Hyrulian forces do.
Indeed this is how the character fights, not just some gameplay representation.
Kain did not "bury" the Elder God as the Elder God is a burrower, its already burried, miles across the land and beneath it. Whats stopping the EG from burying the entire Hyrulian army?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Quanchi, Ganondorf has amazing durability, physical strength, TK, and an array of many abilities. Most of Kain's powers don't have feats. If they do, BT has never showed them. He spends his time trying to downplay the other character. And when Kain is in trouble, he harps on his Mist form and Teleportation, neither of which are as useful as he would like to believe.
Lulz, he has some ambigious feats and some fan wanked ones. The real feats of Ganondorf, most of which I have seen (or not as the ambigious and assumed ones make evident) are sub par in a games vs. Raziel, Kain, Elder God and possibly a combination of council sorcerors can one hit Ganondorf, this does not work both ways.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtIt's the same thing here both sides have plot events required to do or see things so it's only fair. Anyways I am the threadstarter an dit's not allowed so it's moot anyways.
That would be a no limit fallacy claim based on the games rules, not actual statistics.Kain has a so much more than the Hyrulian forces do.
Indeed this is how the character fights, not just some gameplay representation.
Kain did not "bury" the Elder God as the Elder God is a burrower, its already burried, miles across the land and beneath it. Whats stopping the EG from burying the entire Hyrulian army?
Lulz, he has some ambigious feats and some fan wanked ones. The real feats of Ganondorf, most of which I have seen (or not as the ambigious and assumed ones make evident) are sub par in a games vs. Raziel, Kain, Elder God and possibly a combination of council sorcerors can one hit Ganondorf, this does not work both ways.
He had a sword and his abilities which defeated the squid while hyrule has an entire army.
Then you admit Kain mostly sword slashes instead of blasting magic while turning into mist like you claim?
He buried it as far as I can remember in the tomb and walked away. Either way the elder god can be killed so they won't have to bury him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's the same thing here both sides have plot events required to do or see things so it's only fair. Anyways I am the threadstarter an dit's not allowed so it's moot anyways.He had a sword and his abilities which defeated the squid while hyrule has an entire army.
Then you admit Kain mostly sword slashes instead of blasting magic while turning into mist like you claim?
He buried it as far as I can remember in the tomb and walked away. Either way the elder god can be killed so they won't have to bury him.
An entire army not equivalent to kain and his specific powers, they dont have anything equel to Kain in abilities, variety or the reavers soul reaving purifying power.
I did not say that, I said were using real characters, not gameplay representation like your using. Kain will be teleporting, draining blood, calling lightning while shielding himself with the repel shield. Chances are he will kill most of the Hyrule army while empowering himself by drinking their blood, using the dimensional powers of the reaver his blows will mimic on nearby foes.
No, the Ancient citadel started to collapse, it was the Elder God who threatened to bury Kain. Killed through what? even if they can see and hit him, they have nothing to stop him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
At the end of the day though Kain's soulreaver is going to do massive damage to Ganodorf if and when he connects. Both would be hurt by the other's sword.I so see Kain having a definite speed advantage here.
Kain lacks the strength to even break Ganondorf's skin.
Any speed advantage he may have is negligible. His main means of quick movement is teleportation, an ability Ganondorf shares.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtThey don't need his reaver to kill him. How can you not get it? That's like a zelda fan saying they don't have light arrows and the master sword so they can't beat Ganondorf.
An entire army not equivalent to kain and his specific powers, they dont have anything equel to Kain in abilities, variety or the reavers soul reaving purifying power.I did not say that, I said were using real characters, not gameplay representation like your using. Kain will be teleporting, draining blood, calling lightning while shielding himself with the repel shield. Chances are he will kill most of the Hyrule army while empowering himself by drinking their blood, using the dimensional powers of the reaver his blows will mimic on nearby foes.
No, the Ancient citadel started to collapse, it was the Elder God who threatened to bury Kain. Killed through what? even if they can see and hit him, they have nothing to stop him.
Hahahahahahaah, I love Kain but don't get ridiculous he can't solo an army and never could. None of these characters can. These heroes/villains hunt other characters down one on one basically they don't eradicate armies on their own in one gigantic battle. Why do you think Kain had to go back in time against william the just? Might have screwed the name up since it's been close to 7 years since I have played it.
They can damage him wit their attacks just like Kain damaged the elder god with his attacks. They don't need a plot device to hurt him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They don't need his reaver to kill him. How can you not get it? That's like a zelda fan saying they don't have light arrows and the master sword so they can't beat Ganondorf.Hahahahahahaah, I love Kain but don't get ridiculous he can't solo an army and never could. None of these characters can. These heroes/villains hunt other characters down one on one basically they don't eradicate armies on their own in one gigantic battle. Why do you think Kain had to go back in time against william the just? Might have screwed the name up since it's been close to 7 years since I have played it.
They can damage him wit their attacks just like Kain damaged the elder god with his attacks. They don't need a plot device to hurt him.
Because your holding the shit end of the stick. The reaver is not just a plot device, its the only weapon that can strike the Elder God and damage him, neither physical or spiritual means can harm or even see him normally. This is actual canon, not some fanon based on a no limit fallacy because a boy has nothing other than light arrows to harm a nigh physically featless "king of evil".
Your so sure about that are you? with dimentional teleport he can phase throughout the entire battlefield, every dimentional strike warps onto all nearby targets. This chain reaction of teleportation/warp as well as the soul reavers own powers that blast the target to piecies both body and soul would leave hyrule army a mess. Kain had to go back in time because that was during the Blood omen 1 era, I am not sure he even had the Soul reaver at that time or half of his useful spells.
As I said, the plot did not allow the Elder God use more than a part of his form in the ancient citadel otherwise he would harm himself. If your chucking out plot devices then this is taken away and the Elder God has his full power to deal with hyrule. This battle afaik is not set in Nosgoth, taking into account LoK canon storyline.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeThat's about as ridiculous as bt claiming Kain annihilates hyrules' entire army.
Kain lacks the strength to even break Ganondorf's skin.Any speed advantage he may have is negligible. His main means of quick movement is teleportation, an ability Ganondorf shares.
Kain swings his sword at Ganondorf and he bleeds and vice versa.
Kain seemed a lot stronger and more skilled than Link from twilight princess.
I know plenty, I know that the sages sword impaled Ganondorf, I know that Ganondorf was defeated when Link had no Master sword as well. Youve wanked Ganondorf without end on this no limit fallacy. Link has no other powerful weapons used in canon against dorf, hence why Ganondorf is semi-featless besides your fanon.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtDid you just tell me it isn't a plot device while describing it as a plot device. 😂
Because your holding the shit end of the stick. The reaver is not just a plot device, its the only weapon that can strike the Elder God and damage him, neither physical or spiritual means can harm or even see him normally. This is actual canon, not some fanon based on a no limit fallacy because a boy has nothing other than light arrows to harm a nigh physically featless "king of evil".Your so sure about that are you? with dimentional teleport he can phase throughout the entire battlefield, every dimentional strike warps onto all nearby targets. This chain reaction of teleportation/warp as well as the soul reavers own powers that blast the target to piecies both body and soul would leave hyrule army a mess. Kain had to go back in time because that was during the Blood omen 1 era, I am not sure he even had the Soul reaver at that time or half of his useful spells.
As I said, the plot did not allow the Elder God use more than a part of his form in the ancient citadel otherwise he would harm himself. If your chucking out plot devices then this is taken away and the Elder God has his full power to deal with hyrule. This battle afaik is not set in Nosgoth, taking into account LoK canon storyline.
All these events are canon to each own but since we don't know what effect these characters would have on each other they can beat hurt by each other.
Even with the soulreaver he lost to the Hylden Lord aka sarafan Lord and had an entire army by his side. I know he had the nexus stone to negate the reaver but the point is he needed an army to counter Sarafan Lord's army. Kain can't solo an army and neither can Ganondorf from this game.
Both sides can hurt each other so quit trying to make things up so the elder god is unbeatable.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtImpaling him and having him chained up didn't defeat him. he took out a sage after this and broke himself free. They bfr'd him through the twilight mirror to beat him while they all stood about him outnumbering him.
I know plenty, I know that the sages sword impaled Ganondorf, I know that Ganondorf was defeated when Link had no Master sword as well. Youve wanked Ganondorf without end on this no limit fallacy. Link has no other powerful weapons used in canon against dorf, hence why Ganondorf is semi-featless besides your fanon.
Kain's been defeated before as well so don't act like he's some unbeatable character when he isn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you just tell me it isn't a plot device while describing it as a plot device. 😂All these events are canon to each own but since we don't know what effect these characters would have on each other they can beat hurt by each other.
Even with the soulreaver he lost to the Hylden Lord aka sarafan Lord and had an entire army by his side. I know he had the nexus stone to negate the reaver but the point is he needed an army to counter Sarafan Lord's army. Kain can't solo an army and neither can Ganondorf from this game.
Both sides can hurt each other so quit trying to make things up so the elder god is unbeatable.
Its not as basic as a plot device. The Elder God by his own physilogy is untouchable by physical and spirit so although technically the Soul reaver is required by Kain to harm the Elder God its still canon that he cannot be harmed by physical or spirit.
Their canon yes, but in Ganons case claiming master sword is required is a no limit fallacy.
You should have stopped at the Nexus stone, thats what defeated him....and Kain is still nowhere near as powerful then as he is now.
You did not answer my argument, you made a straw man devised to claim that I am "inventing" statistics for the Elder God. If you dont know his size, strength and power then do not try and claim against it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Impaling him and having him chained up didn't defeat him. he took out a sage after this and broke himself free. They bfr'd him through the twilight mirror to beat him while they all stood about him outnumbering him.Kain's been defeated before as well so don't act like he's some unbeatable character when he isn't.
He was technically already defeated, it still sliced right through him. He stood around for a few minutes while they did this. Based on your theory of using the characters exactly how the game has portrayed their actions in a specific cirumstance then this will happen here, and in 2 minutes Kain beheads him.
Defeated through PIS. Also stop trying to act like every Kain from every era is the same, he is vastly different across his thousands of years life.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I know plenty, I know that the sages sword impaled Ganondorf, I know that Ganondorf was defeated when Link had no Master sword as well. Youve wanked Ganondorf without end on this no limit fallacy. Link has no other powerful weapons used in canon against dorf, hence why Ganondorf is semi-featless besides your fanon.
1. Without possession of his Triforce of Power.
2. Someone else had it, or he was again without his Triforce of Power.
3. You cannot wank truth.
4. Statements via the game render this point useless. Ganon is not featless, and his durability is beyond the reach of anything in LoK.