Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeOk, now you're about as bad as he is. Ganondorf while impressive isn't laughing off soulreaver strikes if Link can pierce his chest. Link didn't seem to have any real strength comparable to Kain and to compete with bigger enemies he needed those terrible iron boots which killed his mobility.
Actually no, Ganon would literally stomp. He even does it in SSBB. 😮But literally, Kain can't hurt Ganondorf. And I doubt the Elder Leech can as well.
Kain's faster and smarter than Ganondorf which will get Ganondorf killed.
No, he really is laughing off soul reaver strikes. Are you not aware of how incredibly strong Link is? And how durable it makes Ganondorf to continue fighting after a beating, drop his own castle on himself, and then get out of that and keep fighting?
The speed difference is negligible. Ganondorf can teleport just as fast and can also fly.
I don't think Kain is smarter than Ganondorf either.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, now you're about as bad as he is. Ganondorf while impressive isn't laughing off soulreaver strikes if Link can pierce his chest. Link didn't seem to have any real strength comparable to Kain and to compete with bigger enemies he needed those terrible iron boots which killed his mobility.Kain's faster and smarter than Ganondorf which will get Ganondorf killed.
Lol @ Kain being smarter than G-dorf. You reeeeeaaaaally need to play OoT. Everything we are saying will make sense once you do.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeApparently I am since he did nothing impressive at all the entire game I can think of to make think otherwise.
No, he really is laughing off soul reaver strikes. Are you not aware of how incredibly strong Link is? And how durable it makes Ganondorf to continue fighting after a beating, drop his own castle on himself, and then get out of that and keep fighting?The speed difference is negligible. Ganondorf can teleport just as fast and can also fly.
I don't think Kain is smarter than Ganondorf either.
Ganondorf while awesome in his offscreen battle still got beat by sword strikes from Link who is slower and nowhere near as strong as Kain.
Neither side will teleport all that much and each can counter each other with that.
Kain is much smarter than the failure that is ganondorf. I love the guy but he's about as bad as skeletor sure he opposes he man and threatens all of eternia but he loses every single time to the same kinda hero.
Kain has various sides wanting and solely seeking his death and he outmaneuvers them all. Kain prevails while each hero always defeats him and yet he doesn't get any better. That's if there is some measure of continuity for these games but since i Havne't beaten enough I am still undecided until I see actual creator proof.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, now you're about as bad as he is. Ganondorf while impressive isn't laughing off soulreaver strikes if Link can pierce his chest. Link didn't seem to have any real strength comparable to Kain and to compete with bigger enemies he needed those terrible iron boots which killed his mobility.Kain's faster and smarter than Ganondorf which will get Ganondorf killed.
We've all gone over this multiple times. Ganondorf is extremely tough, and his durability is above what strength Kain had shown (Link has shown extreme strength, too.) Soul Reaver I'm less sure about, but I doubt Kain can defeat Ganondorf.
Now then, Kain might be faster, but I wouldn't say smarter. Ganondorf can teleport and fly, and has better feats than what Kain has shown.
What about all those giant hylden demons towards the end of the game. I think they more than take it to the Gorons here.
I dunno. Do they compare to getting launched out a volcano?
Originally posted by LLLLLinkI will play it but Kain successfully outplays every hand on the board. He's always a step above them all and carrying out his mission. I think the guy ruled a decaying nosgoth for over 1,000 years. I am unsure about how many years since it's been so long an dam going strictly off of my memory.
Lol @ Kain being smarter than G-dorf. You reeeeeaaaaally need to play OoT. Everything we are saying will make sense once you do.
Also this is twilight Ganondorf who wasn't that intelligent at all, was defeated because he was too arrogant by the mages and was completely clueless about who Link was and how much of a threat he was.
Originally posted by The ScenarioHow is it above what strength Kain has shown? What did Link actually do in the game to prove he's incredibly strong?
We've all gone over this multiple times. Ganondorf is extremely tough, and his durability is above what strength Kain had shown (Link has shown extreme strength, too.) Soul Reaver I'm less sure about, but I doubt Kain can defeat Ganondorf.Now then, Kain might be faster, but I wouldn't say smarter. Ganondorf can teleport and fly, and has better feats than what Kain has shown.
I dunno. Do they compare to getting launched out a volcano?
What feats of Ganondorf's are actually better than Kain's.
I think so. I don't think a goron's punches are going to get it done.
Originally posted by LLLLLinkMaybe, but Kain always had me like wow this guy is always ahead of the game. He was strategically exactly where he had to be the entire time past blood omen 2.
I promise you will take all of that back when you play OoT. You are going to say "Holy crap, Ganon just pulled a Light Yagami on me!"
When Kain had his heart ripped out and still was alive I was like --- yeah!
Originally posted by quanchi112
Apparently I am since he did nothing impressive at all the entire game I can think of to make think otherwise.
Tanking that sword, the castle, Madna, etc. are all better than Kain's durability feats.
Ganondorf while awesome in his offscreen battle still got beat by sword strikes from Link who is slower and nowhere near as strong as Kain.
Again, Link is strong enough to toss multi-ton Gorons.
Neither side will teleport all that much and each can counter each other with that.
Ganondorf can still fly and its in his character to attack from a distance.
Kain is much smarter than the failure that is ganondorf. I love the guy but he's about as bad as skeletor sure he opposes he man and threatens all of eternia but he loses every single time to the same kinda hero.
That doesn't mean anything. Weren't you saying earlier it was just plot devices that allowed Link to win?
Kain has various sides wanting and solely seeking his death and he outmaneuvers them all. Kain prevails while each hero always defeats him and yet he doesn't get any better. That's if there is some measure of continuity for these games but since i Havne't beaten enough I am still undecided until I see actual creator proof.
So does Ganondorf. He always manipulates things from the shadows and tricks his enemies into helping him. Ganondorf is highly intelligent.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
I promise you will take all of that back when you play OoT. You are going to say "Holy crap, Ganon just pulled a Light Yagami on me!"
Now maybe this is just may be my own ignorance shining through but what exactly did Ganon do besides the obvious? I know what he did to gain power but did he do anything beyond that?
Well Quanchi, you did only play TP, the worst one in the series. I'll just link you to the respect thread, the stuff should be in the first few pages.
Look for math. A lot of math. No, you don't have to actually do any of it.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=499505&pagenumber=1
There's a little bit of it on the front page.
As for Ganon supposedly being stupid, no. He pretty much makes Link do all his dirty work in every game that matters (not TP). Him losing over and over again is nothing more than an inability to defeat the awesome Link and the powerful Master Sword.
Originally posted by The ScenarioGanondorf's form was that giant head and when he changed he was able to be defeated in sword combat.
Tanking that sword, the castle, Madna, etc. are all better than Kain's durability feats.Again, Link is strong enough to toss multi-ton Gorons.
Ganondorf can still fly and its in his character to attack from a distance.
That doesn't mean anything. Weren't you saying earlier it was just plot devices that allowed Link to win?
So does Ganondorf. He always manipulates things from the shadows and tricks his enemies into helping him. Ganondorf is highly intelligent.
Having your heart ripped out is far more impressive than surviving just because the triforce of power backed you up. It failed him the next time he needed it to work anyways.
Link has his plot devices to counter Ganondorf's but to underestimate Link in the manner he did is unforgivable in terms of intelligence.
Yes, he is but in this game he was defeated both times due to underestimating his opponents, the mages and Link.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Don't spoil it for quanchi, but remember how heSpoiler:
used you like a pawn to open the Door of Time to the Sacred Realm for him, for instance?
I know that. But is that it? Haven't played the game for lack of owning it. 🙁
lol only reason I'm asking is cause you said he pulled a Light Yagami move, even though that is actually more similar to what Sephiroth did in FF 7.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeI won't look and let's keep the discussion to the tp. Maybe he is more intelligent outside this game and I hope so because this Ganondorf while awesome still underestimated the crap out of Link and Midna.
Well Quanchi, you did only play TP, the worst one in the series. I'll just link you to the respect thread, the stuff should be in the first few pages.Look for math. A lot of math. No, you don't have to actually do any of it.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=499505&pagenumber=1
There's a little bit of it on the front page.
As for Ganon supposedly being stupid, no. He pretty much makes Link do all his dirty work in every game that matters (not TP). Him losing over and over again is nothing more than an inability to defeat the awesome Link and the powerful Master Sword.
I gauge success and Kain's success speaks for itself while Ganondrof's failures in this game due to being too arrogant speaks for itself.