LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

K, based on this image:

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/ShinTwist_ScreamPaste/goronscale2.jpg

I'm going to say that Link's boots are about a size 13, because that is what I have, and I am 6 feet tall. This means his boots length at the foot is thirteen and a half inches. And I will say that his boots stand at a foot high, and I'm going to add an extra inch for the unusually thick bottoms.

I'm using the volume of a rectangle to calculate the surface area of Link's boots from the height of the bottom of his foot to his ankle. And the volume of a cylinder for above his ankle to the top. So, this actually makes these boots solid, when they aren't.

Now then. A thirteen inch total height on these boots cuts into 4 inches from foot bottom to ankle. Plus an extra for the thickness. Width of my shoes at their widest on the bottom is almost 5 inches, so I'm just going to use 5.

Volume of a rectangle is base x width x height. This means it's volume is equal to 13 (base) x 5 (width) x 5 (height). A total of 325 in^3. I'm bad with math, so I forget what to do with it from here. I think I'm done with that though, so on to the cylinder that we will call Link's calf.

I'm going to use a diameter of 7 inches which I think is pretty decent sized for a calf muscle. Now, since we used 5 of the boot's height already, all we have now on it's height is 8 inches. The formula for the volume of a cylinder is Area x height. To find the area, we do pi x r^2. So, 3.5 ^2 = 12.25 x 3.14 = 38.465. Now, 38.465 x 8 inches for volume equals out at 307.72 in^3. Add the two together for the total volume and you get 632.72 in^3.

For the density of Iron, I'm using this source. http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magconda.htm

632.72 x 0.284 = 179.69248 pounds. So a little more than what average male humans weigh. I don't need to tell you to add in a reasonable weight for Link, do I? When you do that, you'll likely get something around 400 pounds. So let's find out what Dangoro's weight would be if he were human, but retained his size. Oh, and don't forget, I made those boots solid, as opposed to the normal hollowness they would normally be. And I'm pretty sure this is basic iron, which is probably heavier than what people would use in armors. I also made the bottom of the boots a perfect rectangle and a perfect cylinder, not what the boots are.

ScreamPaste suggested I use ballistics jelly for this, so I did.

Again based on the earlier image, I calculated Dangoro in a perfect sphere with a diameter of 14 feet, even though the picture says he would be 15. 14 feet is a total of 168 inches.

Wikipedia tells me the volume of a sphere is 4/3 x pi x r^3. So we know what the radius is, 7 feet. And we always know what pi is, good ole pi. Apple is my favorite. And the most American!

4/3 x 3.14 x 84(in.)^3 = 2,481,454.08in^3

Big number. So, density of ballistics jelly.

>_> I can't find it. If someone will provide me with that I'll finish this.

Also, anyone wanna check this crap? I am notoriously bad with anything in this area. I could have seriously ****ed up almost anywhere.

All this is to prove that the Iron Boots have to be heavier than Iron by the way.

This is Dangoro. Hey, what's that he's wearing? That's looks like some iron armor.

This is a picture of the Iron Boots. Now, remembering that Dangoro is over twice as tall as Link, that' armor seems like a whole lot of iron. More iron than in the Iron Boots, even!

But wait! Why is Link heavier than Dangoro even though Dangoro's wearing more iron than he is? That's pretty odd, right? Hmmm, you'd think that even if they had the same amount of iron, Dangoro being made of rock in addition to his size would make him heavier than Link. But then, that would mean that the Iron Boots are heavier than normal iron, since they seem to outweigh that armor by quite a bit.

But then...that would mean BT was wrong! 🙁

Actually since he is shorter than Dangoro, with enough physical strength he would be able to stop him by blocking from a lower point of him while he is rolling.

Just saying.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Constantly being bombarded with= one image that does not conclude any of your points. I see....perhaps thats why your fanon and ideals around Zelda are so far apart from the actual canon, you simply look at one image and create your own fantasy.

Also the wiki just describes what you can see in images like this:

Majority of flesh with small outcroppings of rock. Do you even have canon evidence that theres even a slight majority of rock in them?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
haermm ah, BT, you're a silly kid. And Kain can beat Pyron, right? 🙄

For starters, there's nothing to suggest Bo isn't incredibly strong, where as just wearing the iron boots proves he is. They have to weigh many tons because they're heavy enough to stop a charging Goron without magnets, and pull Argorok out of the sky, in WW they're used to anchor Link and /pull over giant stone obelisks/.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You debated he could win against Dante, actually, in a more recent thread, haermm You only conceded both at once would kill him, which is such rediciulous overkill it's not even worth stating you admitted Kain would lose. You're well known for your claims about Kain, however.

I've provided several instances of the boots proving their a lot heavier than their size would allow. 🙂 Hell, maybe they have Neutronium in their soles somewhere, too.

The boots are heavier than: Solid metal statues, Gorons, large stone obelisks, ect.

Gorons are infact super strong living rocks, the weights [b]you suggest would infact, make anything their size float on air. haermm [/B]

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It supports that they're made of rock, you know, like the games say.

the iron boots are heavier than iron because they'ere heavier than things that are also heavier than iron. 🙂 Simple

Pray tell why this is going on and for what reason?

Goron's- 7 tons. Dangoro- 50 tons. Iron Boots- x times heavier.

Now there's already the teleport to put that one phase in LoK's favour (Counters; 1- Is no lightning reactions. 2- Even if it was he's show he doesn't fair well with teleports and fast movements.) And if there's someone with TK that isn't evil they can use that on him and anyone else.

LoZ does get an advantage from the bosses. What would be nice is a list of each teams major players to compare...

-Moo that screens a bit off, at a better angle he's only 1.5x Links height when in a ball.

Scenario, kinda hating you right now. Just made my math irrelevant.

Originally posted by The Scenario

This is Dangoro. Hey, what's that he's wearing? That's looks like some iron armor.

This is a picture of the Iron Boots. Now, remembering that Dangoro is over twice as tall as Link, that' armor seems like a whole lot of iron. More iron than in the Iron Boots, even!

Those Iron Boots are probably magical.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Scenario, kinda hating you right now. Just made my math irrelevant.

It's me proving mathematically that Link wearing the Iron Boots cannot be heavier or as heavy as Dangoro, even if Dangoro were not made of rock like he is.

If Gorons were organic, then they would need to breathe. But, they are made of rock, and therefore don't need to breathe, just as they said in TP.

They eat, they age, they think, they suffer fatigue and nothing says they are 100% or mostly made of rock.. unless I skimmed over that part in this thread.

The magic of fiction; it lets things like rocks be alive.
Just because they have stomachs, etc. doesn't mean that they are made of the same material as humans or that they aren't made of rock.
Besides, if Gorons were mostly flesh, they would be able to swim, which multiple games account that they cannot.

Fun fact: Dodongo's stomachs are well known to to make Bomb Bags. 🙂

This post is just a formality. It likely won't change anything, anyway, so I don't care whether or not anyone reads it. But I sorta said I would keep responding to Quanchi, and I am damn well going to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Kain is much stronger than Link who needs gear I bet in every game especially this one for strength feats.

We have spent over 30 pages discussing that very subject. Link uses the Iron Boots so that he can keep in line with physics.

No, comparing doors to gow doors is foolish Link needs keys to open the doors and can't just manhandle his way in like Kratos. When he wields the ball and chain we see how weak he is.

No? Did you just outright refuse to post the evidence I asked of you? That's not how a debate works, Quanchi. You are just digging your own grave here.

YouTube video

Look at the cutscene where Link picks up the B&C, around 1:58. Do you see struggling? I don't see struggling. Link's handling of the B&C is pure gameplay.

Check.

I didn't read your response when you started blabbering about other games as it has no place here. Wow.

All Zeldas are relevant.

I never took you seriously. We saw dorf twice get beat when he showed up so his best wasn't that great he lasted not long at all both times he started acting up.

Quanchi, just stop. I am laughing way too hard. Come back when you have actually read my posts. I know for a fact that what you're saying is false, and Ganondorf only loses to plot devices and Link's uberhood.

Dorf isn't skilled enough or strong enough or fast enough to beat Kain. Kain easily toys with his opponents and has lived for thousands of years whereas Dorf always gets put down very quickly. There's no comparison in terms of these two characters. Kain prevails and succeeds whereas Dorf is not only the king of evil but also the king of failure.

Ganondorf beats Kain into the ground. Did you see that? That was an unbacked statement, just like yours. You say something, you prove it. You don't prove it, you get disregarded. Stop ignoring Ganondorf's accomplishments. Ganondorf will probably kill Kain while Kain tries to toy with him, as he doesn't realize Ganondorf's strength. You are aware that Ganondorf always comes back from that stuff, right? We don't even knows if he's down permantly this time, either. He's lived thousands of years, as well. Stop bashing Ganondorf, too. He only loses to plot devices.

When weighing in on this we see Bo is neither superstrong nor is Link. You know I am right and are exaggerating feats and denying common sense to make your argument.

You do not tell me what I know. You do not tell anyone what they know. Now that your arrogance is out of the way, let's try something different. I'm going to change gears for a moment. Why don't you think Bo is strong? I mean, according to you, he taught Link everything he knows, and even beat a Goron. They are the only two to have done that. Bo has tusks, too. It could easiliy be argued that he's superhuman, too.

The graphics were more realistic than other zelda games but he went a different route for this Zelda because to him the games are so unrealistic it works better.

Which refers to Skyward Sword, not Twilight Princess. He said Twilight Princess was too realistic.

When you start acknowledging a spade for a spade we can get somewhere Link isn't uber at all. wait until I get to oot in due time. I can't wait to argue over that game. Just you wait.

Yeah, you'll shut up when you see the finale.

Dorf gets beat by the mages, easily. Dorf uses someone else to conspire against Hyrule years and years later. Dorf seizes control and then gets killed. He loses quickly both times. They succeed whereas Kain doesn't get killed he stomps his way through nosgoth and in zelda there are two sides where in lok there are more than just two sides.

You're forgetting pretty much everything. I have explained to you multiple time why the Sages (not mages, stop that), were able to BFR Ganondorf. They threw him into another dimension because the couldn't kill him. Now, doesn't using someone else sound like a smart move? Ganondorf gets defeated by plot devices. Kain is the protagonist; he has to win for the game to end. Ganondorf is the antagonist. He has to lose. Now, where the hell did only two sides come from? You have the Gorons, Zoras, Hylians, Twili, and Link. Yes, Link is a side of his own. Ganondorf turned the Goron patriarch into a monster, froze the Zoras, crushed the Hylians, and took over the Twili, all by proxy. Has Kain ever defeated so many sides that quickly?

The mages bested dorf so there goes your plot device item. Nowhere in this game does it state the master sword is the only thing that can stop him he gets beaten before without it anyways. Kain later prevailed against the reaver when he tossed aside the nexus stone whereas Dorf loses again and again.

You cannot be serious. There was another plot in use that time: the Mirror of Twilight. I have explained at length that Ganondorf was not at full power, but you just can't seem to accept that. Actually, yes, it is repeated throughout the entire goddamn series, Twilight Princess included, that the Master Sword, AKA Blade of Evil's Bane, is the only thing that can permanently put Ganondorf and his Triforce of Power down.

If he can reform as easily as you say why did the initial sword impalement so tax him and the answer is because he can't just laugh off swords.

For the twentieth time, Ganondorf was not at full power. And did you even watch the cutscene? He did, in fact, just laugh the sword off.

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3:00, pulls the sword out and actually laughs. He was trying to recover when they BFR'd him. He wasn't really defeated.

I win.

Check and mate.

Scenario, kinda hating you right now. Just made my math irrelevant.

Sorry, didn't see your post there. I don't like math much. Now that I've read it, it looked solid.

So is their anything at all to say they're all rock?

Being harder than Rock and walking in lava certainly supports it. As well as nothing saying they aren't.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Sorry, didn't see your post there. I don't like math much. Now that I've read it, it looked solid.

Solid as ROCK.

link-rape

There is no "100%" claim, but if you can walk in lava without getting burned, you are probably made of some badass rock. Or you're Link.

Got sniped by JUSTICE!

Originally posted by BloodRain
They eat, they age, they think, they suffer fatigue and nothing says they are 100% or mostly made of rock.. unless I skimmed over that part in this thread.

Gorons have been shown to be tougher than rock, actually. There is at least one point where a Goron punched through several meters of solid rock to make a tunnel. Will try to find it. There was also the getting launched out of a volcano thing, followed by being unharmed by the bomb used to free said Goron from a coccoon of cooled magma.

Bo says they are made of rock, nothing in the game suggests otherwise due to the factors mentioned by others. No way to say 100% i guess.

It isn't really all that important, actually. All of this to shave off a few numbers on someone's calculations.

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