Anyway, Gorons are definitely more durable than high powered explosives, as Goron tradition states that a Goron's manhood can only be reached by "rolling with a bomb flower".
So, kid Gorons > high powered explosives.
Also, look at this. I thought it was kinda neat.
Originally posted by The Scenario
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That Goron in the last vid fell toon-force style. While I do believe Gorons are durable, the fact that a fire dragon (Volvagia) is considered a serious threat to them, raises a question. I'm sure you know what that means.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Ganondorf was the threat. He was going to feed them to Volvagia. Before Ganondorf resurrected him, Volvagia just got pwned by a Goron via Megaton Hammer.
That Goron wielding the Megaton Hammer was a legendary hero among the race. Volvagia is a threat. Ganondorf couldn't be the only threat when the dragon was gonna do all the eating.
Originally posted by The ScenarioNo, the game doesn't make sense at all and irl you can't suddenly stop a force with iron boots on but in zelda you can.
This post is just a formality. It likely won't change anything, anyway, so I don't care whether or not anyone reads it. But I sorta said I would keep responding to Quanchi, and I am damn well going to.We have spent over 30 pages discussing that very subject. Link uses the Iron Boots so that he can keep in line with physics.
No? Did you just outright refuse to post the evidence I asked of you? That's not how a debate works, Quanchi. You are just digging your own grave here.
Look at the cutscene where Link picks up the B&C, around 1:58. Do you see struggling? I don't see struggling. Link's handling of the B&C is pure gameplay.
Check.
All Zeldas are relevant.
Quanchi, just stop. I am laughing way too hard. Come back when you have actually read my posts. I know for a fact that what you're saying is false, and Ganondorf only loses to plot devices and Link's uberhood.
Ganondorf beats Kain into the ground. Did you see that? That was an unbacked statement, just like yours. You say something, you prove it. You don't prove it, you get disregarded. Stop ignoring Ganondorf's accomplishments. Ganondorf will probably kill Kain while Kain tries to toy with him, as he doesn't realize Ganondorf's strength. You are aware that Ganondorf always comes back from that stuff, right? We don't even knows if he's down permantly this time, either. He's lived thousands of years, as well. Stop bashing Ganondorf, too. He only loses to plot devices.
You do not tell me what I know. You do not tell [b]anyone
what they know. Now that your arrogance is out of the way, let's try something different. I'm going to change gears for a moment. Why don't you think Bo is strong? I mean, according to you, he taught Link everything he knows, and even beat a Goron. They are the only two to have done that. Bo has tusks, too. It could easiliy be argued that he's superhuman, too.Which refers to Skyward Sword, not Twilight Princess. He said Twilight Princess was too realistic.
Yeah, you'll shut up when you see the finale.
You're forgetting pretty much everything. I have explained to you multiple time why the Sages (not mages, stop that), were able to BFR Ganondorf. They threw him into another dimension because the couldn't kill him. Now, doesn't using someone else sound like a smart move? Ganondorf gets defeated by plot devices. Kain is the protagonist; he has to win for the game to end. Ganondorf is the antagonist. He has to lose. Now, where the hell did only two sides come from? You have the Gorons, Zoras, Hylians, Twili, and Link. Yes, Link is a side of his own. Ganondorf turned the Goron patriarch into a monster, froze the Zoras, crushed the Hylians, and took over the Twili, all by proxy. Has Kain ever defeated so many sides that quickly?
You cannot be serious. There was another plot in use that time: the Mirror of Twilight. I have explained at length that Ganondorf was not at full power, but you just can't seem to accept that. Actually, yes, it is repeated throughout the entire goddamn series, Twilight Princess included, that the Master Sword, AKA Blade of Evil's Bane, is the only thing that can permanently put Ganondorf and his Triforce of Power down.
For the twentieth time, Ganondorf was not at full power. And did you even watch the cutscene? He did, in fact, just laugh the sword off.
3:00, pulls the sword out and actually laughs. He was trying to recover when they BFR'd him. He wasn't really defeated.
Check and mate.
Sorry, didn't see your post there. I don't like math much. Now that I've read it, it looked solid. [/B]
No, I am correctly explaining how both of these characters are portrayed while you aren't.
It's practically floating in the air. He isn't wielding it and when he does he can barely move the thing.
Not to this thread and this Link. Nope.
The same can be said of Kain except he's only lost once and came back to annihilate him. Dorf got beat twice and the mages didn't use a plot device they just straight up beat him. Let's not forget Dorf has his own plot device the triforce of power or his connection to it in this very game.
Kain has lived at the top for thousands of years he doesn't just resurface every so often and in this game he died hence he was defeated.
The reason Kain beats him is he has actual strength feats such as punching through heart and tearing out hearts. The strongest man in the world cannot do that yet what strength feats from this game does Dorf have? I am waiting.
Because Bo isn't portrayed as strong he has the skills and the gear necessary to get the better of the Gorons. he says he had a secret as to how he beat them and would never reveal it because it's cheating. Link needed the boots as well because he's not as strong as them but this gives him the ability to beat them when he wears them.
He is talking in general with his conception for the games. Both are completely unrealistic but he feels these graphics work better out of the two.
Maybe. I am really close but am done playing this week.
Kain has also been the antagonist before and he didn't lose. There goes that terrible theory. Kain is always a step ahead while in this game Dorf was always a step behind and caught completely off guard.
Zant really gets the benefit of doing most of the damage in tp. Dorf is supplying the power but it's Zant who is really wreaking havoc the entire time. Kain also lost in bo2 due to plot device and most of his top vampires betraying him.
I don't care if that is the only thing in the game that can kill him he was defeated by the mages so it's even worse for him since the odds were on his side. Kain in the game cannot be killed with the soulreaver unless by raziel so let's leave the plot devices out of this.
You said he was weakened not you say he laughs it off? Make up your mind already. The point is he only bested one after doing so and was easily dealt with. This doesn't bode well for his speed.
What? Are you serious? Neither are super strong it's the gear which makes this possible and only the gear. Superman doesn't need iron boots to stop DD does he because he's super strong. Characters that are super strong don't need gear for strength feats.
sorry to do this to you... but one of superman's powers is actually super anchoring. He legitimately has built in iron boots, so uhm. Your example backfired, REALLY hard. Superman needs the iron boots to do his feats, is he not superhuman?
Originally posted by Sin_VolvagiaDo I need to remind you that Volvagia could shred rock just by flying into it, and was stated to be able to lay hyrule to waste?
That Goron in the last vid fell toon-force style. While I do believe Gorons are durable, the fact that a fire dragon (Volvagia) is considered a serious threat to them, raises a question. I'm sure you know what that means.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the game doesn't make sense at all and irl you can't suddenly stop a force with iron boots on but in zelda you can.
No, you can't stop a force like that with just the Iron Boots, but Link can, because he's superhylian. That's the point, as normal hylians can't do that, either
No, I am correctly explaining how both of these characters are portrayed while you aren't.
You're bashing them at every opportunity and still refusing to post evidence. Hey, here's an idea, why don't you actually show me how they're portrayed instead of just telling me.
It's practically floating in the air. He isn't wielding it and when he does he can barely move the thing.
Curscenes > gameplay. You're talking about gameplay.
Not to this thread and this Link. Nope.
But they're relevant to all the other stuff. The Iron Boots appear in at least three games, as do Gorons and Zoras, who are also in this thread. Ganondorf, too, isn't different every time like Link is.
The same can be said of Kain except he's only lost once and came back to annihilate him. Dorf got beat twice and the mages didn't use a plot device they just straight up beat him. Let's not forget Dorf has his own plot device the triforce of power or his connection to it in this very game.
Ganondorf came back and annihilated all of Hyrule once. Ganondorf didn't get beaten by the Sages (they are not mages, again), he was sent to the Twilight Realm with a plot device. You ignored my post again. I even said last post that they didn't "straight up" beat him. They freaking cheated and sent him away unharmed.
Kain has lived at the top for thousands of years he doesn't just resurface every so often and in this game he died hence he was defeated.
And he un-defeated himself nearly instantly. He got sent out of bounds. What does Kain living at the top have to do with anything, anyway?
The reason Kain beats him is he has actual strength feats such as punching through heart and tearing out hearts. The strongest man in the world cannot do that yet what strength feats from this game does Dorf have? I am waiting.
Ganondorf disintegrated a man with a touch, or weren't you watching the video?
Because Bo isn't portrayed as strong he has the skills and the gear necessary to get the better of the Gorons. he says he had a secret as to how he beat them and would never reveal it because it's cheating. Link needed the boots as well because he's not as strong as them but this gives him the ability to beat them when he wears them.
Advantage in weight, we've already proven Link was stronger. The boots prevented him from being tossed around, but stopping and picking up Gorons was main strength.
He is talking in general with his conception for the games. Both are completely unrealistic but he feels these graphics work better out of the two.
Yeah, and he said that Twilight Princess was too realistic for him to get away with the usual Zelda craziness, so he had to leave it out.
Maybe. I am really close but am done playing this week.
'k.
Kain has also been the antagonist before and he didn't lose. There goes that terrible theory. Kain is always a step ahead while in this game Dorf was always a step behind and caught completely off guard.
But Kain started out as the protagonist in the first game. Ganondorf has never been a protagonist, and isn't allowed to win except for the few times Link isn't there to stop him. That actually proves it, there. The only 2 times Link wasn't there (OoT and WW), Ganondorf brought Hyrule to its knees. Ganondorf is never a step behind, nor off guard. He's often been a step ahead of Link several times. The problem comes when Link catches up and crushes his guard.
Zant really gets the benefit of doing most of the damage in tp. Dorf is supplying the power but it's Zant who is really wreaking havoc the entire time. Kain also lost in bo2 due to plot device and most of his top vampires betraying him.
Ganondorf was giving him directions behind the curtain. Didn't you notice how around the beginning Zant was always a step ahead, and kept cool and composed, and then when Link confronted him, he went freaking nuts? The flashbacks even showed that Zant was crazy before Ganondorf contacted him, and after that Zant suddenly got really competent.
Zant thought Ganondorf was a god. He was following instructions.
I don't care if that is the only thing in the game that can kill him he was defeated by the mages so it's even worse for him since the odds were on his side. Kain in the game cannot be killed with the soulreaver unless by raziel so let's leave the plot devices out of this.
Sages, not mages. Further, the Sages did not, I repeat, did not, defeat him the way you are implying. They won via ring out.
You said he was weakened not you say he laughs it off? Make up your mind already. The point is he only bested one after doing so and was easily dealt with. This doesn't bode well for his speed.
Ugh, do I have to do it again? Ganondorf was killed before the Triforce of Power went into effect. After it did, the sword stopped killing him. Even though he was now strong enough to disinegrate the Sage of Water with a touch, he was inexperienced and not drawing on his power. The Sages took advantage of his disorientation to send him to the Twilight Realm. It was an example of his early arrogance, too. He knew full well that they couldn't hurt him, but he didn't know that the Mirror of Twilight was there. He later learned from that mistake, and so used Zant for his ends.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteThen it's a bad example. Take Hulk for instance. Take Gladiator for instance any of these characters.
sorry to do this to you... but one of superman's powers is actually super anchoring. He legitimately has built in iron boots, so uhm. Your example backfired, REALLY hard. Superman needs the iron boots to do his feats, is he not superhuman?
Originally posted by The ScenarioThe guy gears up to stop goats in the same manner and if he were super hylian he wouldn't need the boots which Bo also needed.
No, you can't stop a force like that with just the Iron Boots, but Link can, because he's superhylian. That's the point, as normal hylians can't do that, eitherYou're bashing them at every opportunity and still refusing to post evidence. Hey, here's an idea, why don't you actually show me how they're portrayed instead of just telling me.
Curscenes > gameplay. You're talking about gameplay.
But they're relevant to all the other stuff. The Iron Boots appear in at least three games, as do Gorons and Zoras, who are also in this thread. Ganondorf, too, isn't different every time like Link is.
Ganondorf came back and annihilated all of Hyrule once. Ganondorf didn't get beaten by the Sages (they are not mages, again), he was sent to the Twilight Realm with a plot device. You ignored my post again. I even said last post that they didn't "straight up" beat him. They freaking cheated and sent him away unharmed.
And he un-defeated himself nearly instantly. He got sent out of bounds. What does Kain living at the top have to do with anything, anyway?
Ganondorf disintegrated a man with a touch, or weren't you watching the video?
Advantage in weight, we've already proven Link was stronger. The boots prevented him from being tossed around, but stopping and picking up Gorons was main strength.
Yeah, and he said that Twilight Princess was too realistic for him to get away with the usual Zelda craziness, so he had to leave it out.
'k.
But Kain started out as the protagonist in the first game. Ganondorf has never been a protagonist, and isn't allowed to win except for the few times Link isn't there to stop him. That actually proves it, there. The only 2 times Link wasn't there (OoT and WW), Ganondorf brought Hyrule to its knees. Ganondorf is never a step behind, nor off guard. He's often been a step ahead of Link several times. The problem comes when Link catches up and crushes his guard.
Ganondorf was giving him directions behind the curtain. Didn't you notice how around the beginning Zant was always a step ahead, and kept cool and composed, and then when Link confronted him, he went freaking nuts? The flashbacks even showed that Zant was crazy before Ganondorf contacted him, and after that Zant suddenly got really competent.
Zant thought Ganondorf was a god. He was following instructions.
Sages, not mages. Further, the Sages did not, I repeat, did not, defeat him the way you are implying. They won via ring out.
Ugh, do I have to do it again? Ganondorf was killed before the Triforce of Power went into effect. After it did, the sword stopped killing him. Even though he was now strong enough to disinegrate the Sage of Water with a touch, he was inexperienced and not drawing on his power. The Sages took advantage of his disorientation to send him to the Twilight Realm. It was an example of his early arrogance, too. He knew full well that they couldn't hurt him, but he didn't know that the Mirror of Twilight was there. He later learned from that mistake, and so used Zant for his ends.
What exactly are you referring to? I don't run to youtube to post videos since I played these games.
This isn't Link holding them up per say and in the game that's how he wields them not how items get held up when you acquire them. Wow.
I don't care either way. No more examples from other games.
Bfr is a win in this forum and he didn't want to to go the twilight realm so yes he was defeated.
Zant annihilated hyrule but seeing as how cowardly the troops are and the resistance consisted of a few dolts and Telma hyrule isn't a difficult place to subjugate.
What does being undefeated mean? Kain's clever enough to be at the top whereas Dorf gets beat very quickly. That's the point.
That's due to magic not strength. Give me a strength feat now.
No, the boots make the feat possible so adding any gear to make Link able to do something means it's not s strength feat for Link.
Yes, he decided to go another direction but the games aren't realistic hence he abandoned the more realistic graphics.
So what? Kain was the antagonist against Raziel and he wasn't defeated by Raziel at all. That's because Kain is much more fearsome and formidable than Dorf. Quit making up excuses here because in the same situation Kain still doesn't get beat.
No, he did his own thing but Dorf used this to his advantage anyways. He explained as much in the flahshback.
The sages or mages who cares you know what I mean.
I don't think he was killed I think he was damaged and then when it kicked in the damage was gone.
His power was great enough to beat the sage but he wasn't quick enough to take out even more than one.