Originally posted by quanchi112
Then it's a bad example. Take Hulk for instance. Take Gladiator for instance any of these characters.
But that example proves everything you're saying about Link wrong. If Superman did not have super-anchoring he would push himself backwards whenever he tried to push something hugely heavier than himself. If he didn't have super-anchoring, he would go flying when something strong hits hits him.
That one example has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that even Superman can't ignore the laws of physics without an explicit power saying he can do so. So Superman has what is basically the Iron Boots that allow him to do what he does. Link has Iron Boots that allow him to do what he does. You can't ignore that one.
The Iron Boots' only purpose is to prevent Link from getting tossed, and the rest is strength and durability. All credit goes to Screampaste for this thrashing.
The guy gears up to stop goats in the same manner and if he were super hylian he wouldn't need the boots which Bo also needed.
No, you're wrong. Superman needs that anchoring ability, too. If he were superhuman he wouldn't need it, right?
Bo is still pretty strong, and stopping a goat is nowhere near as difficult as stopping a Goron.
What exactly are you referring to? I don't run to youtube to post videos since I played these games.
Maybe I haven't played Defiance, then. You need to give me information I might not have so that I can make an informed decision. Right now, all I have to go on is what you and BT say about Defiance, and whatever I can glean from the wiki. You refusing to post evidence for your claims is intentionally keeping me in the dark so that I can't argue as effectively as I might otherwise be able to. You could be lying for all I know, and since you won't post evidence it makes me think that you are lying.
Further, it's been a while since I actually played TP. I might need a refresher on something that happened that I may have forgotten. Similarly, it gives us a reference to look at.
So I don't care whether or not you played the games. You need something concrete that I can see so that I might be able to determine how you came to some conclusion. I've posted nearly every video I could find, and have stopped doing so simply because I've run out. I've posted all the evidence I can, and I ask you to do the same. Botton line is, back up your claims or get out.
This isn't Link holding them up per say and in the game that's how he wields them not how items get held up when you acquire them. Wow.
Canon cutscene. He also puts them in his back pocket.
I don't care either way. No more examples from other games.
Referring back to my earlier point, how much of the stuff you've been using actually came from Defiance? I have a very hard time beleiving that you're using just one game. And I can't tell whether or not you're actually using Defiance if you don't post evidence from it.
Bfr is a win in this forum and he didn't want to to go the twilight realm so yes he was defeated.
Midna teleports Kain into Link Hylia.
Zant annihilated hyrule but seeing as how cowardly the troops are and the resistance consisted of a few dolts and Telma hyrule isn't a difficult place to subjugate.
Gorons and Zoras, too. All the real soldiers were the guys that Zant turned into Twilight Beasts when he first invaded. The cowardly guys are the rookies.
What does being undefeated mean? Kain's clever enough to be at the top whereas Dorf gets beat very quickly. That's the point.
Kain doesn't a divine chosen one hunting his ass down. Ganondorf (via Zant) took over all of Hyrule before Link's village even realized there was anything wrong. Has Kain ever done anything that fast? Did it take him all that time just to get to the top? Remember, Defiance only now that you've reminded me.
That's due to magic not strength. Give me a strength feat now.
I'm so proud, you're actually asking for evidence. Aside from breaking the chains (not at full power), I don't think Ganondorf has many strength feats in TP. Aside from also breaking the Fused Shadows with one hand. He does jump 30+ feet in the final battle, too. I'll get back to you one this one.
No, the boots make the feat possible so adding any gear to make Link able to do something means it's not s strength feat for Link.
Sheer folly. It's been repeatedly proven that the boots do nothing but anchor Link. Remember Superman?
Yes, he decided to go another direction but the games aren't realistic hence he abandoned the more realistic graphics.
The games usually weren't, but Twilight Princess was.
So what? Kain was the antagonist against Raziel and he wasn't defeated by Raziel at all. That's because Kain is much more fearsome and formidable than Dorf. Quit making up excuses here because in the same situation Kain still doesn't get beat.
What same situation? Anyway, Ganondorf's magic feats are much better than Kain's, as are his durability feats. Ganondorf is just more powerful than Kain is. I'm not making up excuses, Ganondorf just gets screwed by plot devices.
No, he did his own thing but Dorf used this to his advantage anyways. He explained as much in the flahshback.
No, Ganondorf just used him to his advantage in a decidedly Kain like move. Zant was following his god, and you're going from the perspective of the guy who was being used, instead of the guy who was using him.
The sages or mages who cares you know what I mean.
Sages and PIS.
I don't think he was killed I think he was damaged and then when it kicked in the damage was gone.
You think. The scene shows Ganondorf just hanging there, not moving, until he was suddenly alive again.
His power was great enough to beat the sage but he wasn't quick enough to take out even more than one.
He wasn't trying to. He took one out and then just stood there laughing about being alive. Even before that, he crossed a lot of ground quickly to kill that Sage.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
K, based on this image:http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/ShinTwist_ScreamPaste/goronscale2.jpg
I'm going to say that Link's boots are about a size 13, because that is what I have, and I am 6 feet tall. This means his boots length at the foot is thirteen and a half inches. And I will say that his boots stand at a foot high, and I'm going to add an extra inch for the unusually thick bottoms.
I'm using the volume of a rectangle to calculate the surface area of Link's boots from the height of the bottom of his foot to his ankle. And the volume of a cylinder for above his ankle to the top. So, this actually makes these boots solid, when they aren't.
Now then. A thirteen inch total height on these boots cuts into 4 inches from foot bottom to ankle. Plus an extra for the thickness. Width of my shoes at their widest on the bottom is almost 5 inches, so I'm just going to use 5.
Volume of a rectangle is base x width x height. This means it's volume is equal to 13 (base) x 5 (width) x 5 (height). A total of 325 in^3. I'm bad with math, so I forget what to do with it from here. I think I'm done with that though, so on to the cylinder that we will call Link's calf.
I'm going to use a diameter of 7 inches which I think is pretty decent sized for a calf muscle. Now, since we used 5 of the boot's height already, all we have now on it's height is 8 inches. The formula for the volume of a cylinder is Area x height. To find the area, we do pi x r^2. So, 3.5 ^2 = 12.25 x 3.14 = 38.465. Now, 38.465 x 8 inches for volume equals out at 307.72 in^3. Add the two together for the total volume and you get 632.72 in^3.
For the density of Iron, I'm using this source. http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magconda.htm
632.72 x 0.284 = 179.69248 pounds. So a little more than what average male humans weigh. I don't need to tell you to add in a reasonable weight for Link, do I? When you do that, you'll likely get something around 400 pounds. So let's find out what Dangoro's weight would be if he were human, but retained his size. Oh, and don't forget, I made those boots solid, as opposed to the normal hollowness they would normally be. And I'm pretty sure this is basic iron, which is probably heavier than what people would use in armors. I also made the bottom of the boots a perfect rectangle and a perfect cylinder, not what the boots are.
ScreamPaste suggested I use ballistics jelly for this, so I did.
Again based on the earlier image, I calculated Dangoro in a perfect sphere with a diameter of 14 feet, even though the picture says he would be 15. 14 feet is a total of 168 inches.
Wikipedia tells me the volume of a sphere is 4/3 x pi x r^3. So we know what the radius is, 7 feet. And we always know what pi is, good ole pi. Apple is my favorite. And the most American!
4/3 x 3.14 x 84(in.)^3 = 2,481,454.08in^3
Big number. So, density of ballistics jelly.
>_> I can't find it. If someone will provide me with that I'll finish this.
Also, anyone wanna check this crap? I am notoriously bad with anything in this area. I could have seriously ****ed up almost anywhere.
All this is to prove that the Iron Boots have to be heavier than Iron by the way.
Theres one problem with your calculations ,you did not factor in this is a fictional universe and we dont know the weight, materials or composition of such in a Goron, we dont really know how Gorons work as they are fictional creatures so trying to assume his materials is not going to work.
Furthermore, your trying to reach for iron being heavier than iron which is lulzy, based solely on the fact that the fact that their iron undermines Dangoro being heavy, or at least as heavy as you want to belive, 400 pounds is nearly quarter a ton btw which is still damn heavy. Trying to undermine actual canon both in word, description and statement just because "it does not sound right" to your fanon is daft and redundant.
Originally posted by The ScenarioThis is Dangoro. Hey, what's that he's wearing? That's looks like some iron armor.
This is a picture of the Iron Boots. Now, remembering that Dangoro is over twice as tall as Link, that' armor seems like a whole lot of iron. More iron than in the Iron Boots, even!
But wait! Why is Link heavier than Dangoro even though Dangoro's wearing more iron than he is? That's pretty odd, right? Hmmm, you'd think that even if they had the same amount of iron, Dangoro being made of rock in addition to his size would make him heavier than Link. But then, that would mean that the Iron Boots are heavier than normal iron, since they seem to outweigh that armor by quite a bit.
But then...that would mean BT was wrong! 🙁
He does wear iron armour. Problem is that iron, in the form of armour consists of thin plates at least when humans wear it. Links boots look a lot thicker in iron than Dangoro's armour. And I am sorry to tell you this, but this would not make me wrong, if it did it would be proving the fiction wrong which is ofc ridiculous. But no this would simply undermine your assumption that LoZ works realistically with physics, the actual fact is that a fairly small amount of iron can undermine what you would assume is far heavier than it.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Pray tell why this is going on and for what reason?Goron's- 7 tons. Dangoro- 50 tons. Iron Boots- x times heavier.
Now there's already the teleport to put that one phase in LoK's favour (Counters; 1- Is no lightning reactions. 2- Even if it was he's show he doesn't fair well with teleports and fast movements.) And if there's someone with TK that isn't evil they can use that on him and anyone else.
LoZ does get an advantage from the bosses. What would be nice is a list of each teams major players to compare...
-Moo that screens a bit off, at a better angle he's only 1.5x Links height when in a ball.
Because those high amount of Tons would crush the 400 pounds (using moo's math) of Link while wearing the iron boots. Considering the iron is the only thing we can truly examine to determine weight as we do not know the exact material, dimension of stone etc that Gorons are made out of. Gorons are therefore not heavy based on canon, not just based on deductions of fanon.
There are a lot of TK users, evil is irrelevent because its never been proven anything protects against evil TK, only the assumption that the characters in LoZ just happened to have decided not to use it.
There are a lot of major players in LoK, the EG being the one that can solo the whole opposing side and Kain being the other. Thing is, LoK also has the circle of nine during the 500 year period of Raziel which despite only seeing one of the circle, still technically excisted during the period of Defiance. Only 3 of the weaker circle of nine can create an ever expanding region sized sphere that has a real reality warp involved (not Zants arguable and predictable illusions) and would defeat the LoZverse.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Those Iron Boots are probably magical.
This is the only LoZ argument anyone can really fall back on. Their "probably" magical to make up for the actual facts and canon that would undermine the fanon arguments of strength/power.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
The magic of fiction; it lets things like rocks be alive.
Or be extremely light. Thanks for collapsing the whole "zomg LoZ is physical fact and works with meh fanon statistics!" argument. Again anyway, having done it many times it probably helps to have a LoZ fan bring this up as well 😉
Originally posted by LLLLLink
There is no "100%" claim, but if you can walk in lava without getting burned, you are probably made of some badass rock. Or you're Link.
Didnt think there was any conclusive evidence. It was just an assumption in the hope of adding some real strength to Links measly little arms.
We know the weight of the boots, we simply take the amount of iron that makes up the boots.
Your basing them being heavier than the material their made out of just because you believe Dangoro has to be heavy. A fiction does not have to have characters that weigh exactly as much as you want them to just for the sake of a feat. Dangoro obviously weighs less when moving than 400 pounds according to your math on links height+iron boots.
Dude, lol. I screwed up on Dangoro's calculation, but he was actually going to be based on the density of ballistics jelly, which closely mimics that of humans. And he was still going to be heavier. Link + the Iron Boots only came out to about 400 pounds. With Dangoro's size, it isn't hard to be > than that.
Hell, I even made the boots SOLID IRON, which they are not. The foot part was a perfect rectangle, and the part that covers above the ankle was considered a perfect cylinder with a diameter of 7 inches. That is a huge ****ing calf muscle.
-_-
The Iron Boots support the fact that Link's legs contain the strength to support what the Gold Gauntlets can lift. Link can backflip with the Iron Boots on, and yet those same boots are so heavy that even Bongo Bongo cant get Link off the ground.
...I'm trailing off into OoT again, aren't I?
Anyway, I found another piece of proof that Link is easily above human levels of strength unaided. In the Goron's Mines, Link is able to move a giant stone "wall" by pulling on it with a chain. Not only that, but this wall has a mechanism that forces it back into its normal position. So not only is Link fighting the weight of the stone wall, but also the force of the mechanism which can also move the stone wall.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Dude, lol. I screwed up on Dangoro's calculation, but he was actually going to be based on the density of ballistics jelly, which closely mimics that of humans. And he was still going to be heavier. Link + the Iron Boots only came out to about 400 pounds. With Dangoro's size, it isn't hard to be > than that.Hell, I even made the boots SOLID IRON, which they are not. The foot part was a perfect rectangle, and the part that covers above the ankle was considered a perfect cylinder with a diameter of 7 inches. That is a huge ****ing calf muscle.
So you are saying the canon is wrong, the boots are not iron because you dont think its correct?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
BT will still ignore how bad his argument is and that the boots have been proven to be heavier than their size would allow, because he's BT.
And Screampaste will still ignore the actual canon because of his silly love of his own fanon. Because hes Screampaste.
Iron is heavier than iron again? youve yet to actually prove how heavy Dangoro is and its still irrelevant because its already proven Iron boots+links weight>Dangoro's strength.
Link could not solo anything in LoK than as I said, a few humans, maybe a couple of lesser vampires. The real feats of Link are actually quite poor, he will be assasinated from the get go.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Oh please. If Kain tried to wear the Iron Boots, he's get carnally raped by anyone who decides to walk behind him.
What? if Kain wore the iron boots the chances are his claws would slice through them like their confetti. Not that he would wear something like those, his claws could technically give him his own anchor.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Iron is heavier than iron again? youve yet to actually prove how heavy Dangoro is and its still irrelevant because its already proven Iron boots+links weight>Dangoro's strength.Link could not solo anything in LoK than as I said, a few humans, maybe a couple of lesser vampires. The real feats of Link are actually quite poor, he will be assasinated from the get go.
This is incorrect. Link's boots are magnetically held to the platform he is on. Otherwise he would have knocked Link around. Wait, how could that be unless he's...heavier than the Iron Boots.
This is incorrect. Kain is capable of defeating his universe, and Link is at least as strong as he is using your shit logic. Besides, you already admitted Link's feats are indeed canon.
Originally posted by Burning thought
What? if Kain wore the iron boots the chances are his claws would slice through them like their confetti. Not that he would wear something like those, his claws could technically give him his own anchor.
That makes no sense. How can his claws be sharp enough to shred metal easily, but be able to "anchor" him in the ground?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
This is incorrect. Link's boots are magnetically held to the platform he is on. Otherwise he would have knocked Link around. Wait, how could that be unless he's...heavier than the Iron Boots.This is incorrect. Kain is capable of defeating his universe, and Link is at least as strong as he is using your shit logic. Besides, you already admitted Link's feats are indeed canon.
iirc normal Gorons cannot knock Link around just by him wearing the boots, he needs them to wrestle in the ring. So Links still too heavy for Goron strength+weight, Dangoro is unkown, if you want to take the view that toonforce does not exist then Dangoro is light because he bounces off lava instead of sinking like heavier rock.
I dont have shit logic, my logic is undeniable as I use real feats. I dont try and argue Iron is heavier than iron simply because I want certain characters to be stronger than others. Kain has powers and abilities that give him the special abilities required to defeat his universe, Link does not have half of them if any. Even reaching for his strength feats, its not enough to have strength to beat Kain or most Lok characters.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
That makes no sense. How can his claws be sharp enough to shred metal easily, but be able to "anchor" him in the ground?
Dig in?
Originally posted by Burning thought
iirc normal Gorons cannot knock Link around just by him wearing the boots, he needs them to wrestle in the ring.
Duh? Dangoro is heavier than normal Gorons, lol. That's kinda why Link needed his boots magnetized.
Originally posted by Burning thought
So Links still too heavy for Goron strength+weight, Dangoro is unkown, if you want to take the view that toonforce does not exist then Dangoro is light because he bounces off lava instead of sinking like heavier rock.
Do you read what you type at all? Think about your "logic" here.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont have shit logic, my logic is undeniable as I use real feats.
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Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont try and argue Iron is heavier than iron simply because I want certain characters to be stronger than others.
Lol. I don't either. I argue it's heavier than Iron because it is. This fact is undeniable, you denying it just shows how desperate you are.
Ugh, listen to me. I sound like Quan.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain has powers and abilities that give him the special abilities required to defeat his universe, Link does not have half of them if any. Even reaching for his strength feats, its not enough to have strength to beat Kain or most Lok characters.
Find me something in LoK that you can't beat by hitting it, and we'll go from there.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Duh? Dangoro is heavier than normal Gorons, lol. That's kinda why Link needed his boots magnetized.Do you read what you type at all? Think about your "logic" here.
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Lol. I don't either. I argue it's heavier than Iron because it is. This fact is undeniable, you denying it just shows how desperate you are.
Ugh, listen to me. I sound like Quan.
Find me something in LoK that you can't beat by hitting it, and we'll go from there.
You did not argue against my point, just trying to attack me. Hence your desperation and childish nonsense. Ill wait for a more mature debator to come online then if your all out of arguments.
Tonnes of weight>Iron boots weight>Gorons weight
