LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by Burning thought
You did not argue against my point, just trying to attack me. Hence your desperation and childish nonsense. Ill wait for a more mature debator to come online then if your all out of arguments.

Tonnes of weight>Iron boots weight>Gorons weight

Actually, nothing in the series has ever shown itself to be definitively heavier than the iron boots. Just sayin', they easily weigh 70 tons or more. They're heavier than Dangoro, making him rise on the other end of the platform when you wear them.

You didn't even make a point.

lol theres no iron in such a small quantity that can weigh 70 tonnes.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol theres no iron in such a small quantity that can weigh 70 tonnes.

You have no evidence yet to support the boots doing this because you have yet to prove actual weight. The only actual weight that we can factually gauge so far is the weight of iron in said quantity.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Dig in?

If his claws are so sharp, he would plucked out of the ground with the greatest ease.

Lol. Dude.

I mathed the weight for more Iron than is actually on the boots, and it only adds up to about 400 pounds. These things are heavier than Iron.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
If his claws are so sharp, he would plucked out of the ground with the greatest ease.

Well obviously only the point is so sharp. If he pushed his feet in at an angle so that his feet are in the eath, he could theoretically make sure his feet are well dug in, but this is a pointless conversation.... 🙄

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lol. Dude.

I mathed the weight for more Iron than is actually on the boots, and it only adds up to about 400 pounds. These things are heavier than Iron.

Well 400 pounds it is then. I am sorry but you cant just add weight because you think it sounds silly. I think Gorons bouncing off lava is silly but the game does that as well....I am not going to argue that this simply did not happen and that Dangoro somehow used some sort of hovering power to jump out of liquid.

He does wear iron armour. Problem is that iron, in the form of armour consists of thin plates at least when humans wear it. Links boots look a lot thicker in iron than Dangoro's armour. And I am sorry to tell you this, but this would not make me wrong, if it did it would be proving the fiction wrong which is ofc ridiculous. But no this would simply undermine your assumption that LoZ works realistically with physics, the actual fact is that a fairly small amount of iron can undermine what you would assume is far heavier than it.

Bolded a few thing for emphasis. BT, you are basing your veiw of Dangoro's armor on human armor. This is incorrect, and you would see from the picture that Dangoro's plates are much thicker than human armor, and are of roughly the same thickness of the Iron Boots. The catch is that he's got a lot more of it than Link does.

Now then, Iron Boots is a bit of a misnomer. I seem to recall one of the designers (whichever one aplologized for the Water Temple) refers to the as the "heavy boots." Actually, in the original Japanese, the word used for the boots is "habyibutso," which literally translates to "heavy boots."

http://mynintendonews.com/2009/11/27/nintendo-eiji-aonuma-sorry-for-zelda-water-temple/

Here it is. You shouldn't get so caught up on the name, anyway, BT. Its possible that the Iron Boots are simply a superdense form of iron, fitting more mass into less space, as Scream has suggested. That basically means that yes, iron can in fact be heavier than iron, if it is denser. The evidence says that this is indeed the case, if they're not magic. The Iron Boots are heavier than normal iron, that much is known.

I'm not adding weight. Dangoro cannot weigh 400 pounds. It's impossible for his size.

You have to prove first actual weight of the things in question. Thats not happened yet, furthermore you have to prove the iron is somehow super dense, that just sounds like a daft reach to attempt to cover up the fact these things are not as heavy as you want to belive.

You have to make a lot of assumptions for your logic to make sense, one is that Bo has legs that can lift tonnes which is not evident. Two, that the Iron is super dense without ever being stated so and three, LoZ never makes any physics mistakes, which is disproven all together by Gorons bouncing on lava, or more importantly so, Dangoro.

Your case is broken, the boots are simply Iron until you can bring in in-game facts that prove their special in any way beyond being boots actually made from Iron as Bo actually claims.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'm not adding weight. Dangoro cannot weigh 400 pounds. It's impossible for his size.

For his size? since when can a fantasy creatures weight be based purely on size? hes not even necesserily made of anything from our world. Youve yet to prove what hes actually made of apart from ambigious statements like "rock people" that youve taken to mean they seem to have a higher percentage of rock than flesh.

You use Bo in game telling you they're made of iron, well, to use your own argument, he's fallible. The boots themselves upon being collected tell you they're so heavy not even a Goron can move you. Know who's more reliable, the description by the devs, or a fat guy with a hot daughter? The devs.

Lol no, you're still not getting this. I don't have to find an exact weight. I found their exact weight if they were made of Iron, and it is much less than they would need to be in order to do the things they do, like stopping Gorons and equaling Dangoro's weight. Dangoro simply cannot weigh 400 pounds. He's too ****ing big.

For example, take a look at a 400 pound human. They're really fat. But nowhere near the size of Dangoro.

Math. Logic. The game itself. All of these things are telling you that you are incorrect. Accept it.

Edit: Actually, I didn't even find their exact weight. I added like 200 pounds to it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well obviously only the point is so sharp. If he pushed his feet in at an angle so that his feet are in the eath, he could theoretically make sure his feet are well dug in, but this is a pointless conversation.... 🙄

Well, if the point is the only sharp part, then it would be impossible to cut much of anything to confetti. At best, he could puncture something, or perhaps cut some paper.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lol no, you're still not getting this. I don't have to find an exact weight. I found their exact weight if they were made of Iron, and it is much less than they would need to be in order to do the things they do, like stopping Gorons and equaling Dangoro's weight. Dangoro simply cannot weigh 400 pounds. He's too ****ing big.

For example, take a look at a 400 pound human. They're really fat. But nowhere near the size of Dangoro.

Math. Logic. The game itself. All of these things are telling you that you are incorrect. Accept it.

Edit: Actually, I didn't even find their exact weight. I added like 200 pounds to it.

You keep saying this BS, but youve yet to make fact on the weights of Gorons yet. All this "hes too ****ing big" rubbish is just a constant claim against real evidence.

So? Dangoro is not human 🙂

No, your math, your poor and ridiculous logic. The game itself says their iron, says nothing more than that and does not make a defined statement on Gorons either. The game even disregards physics somewhat with having Dangoro bouncing so no, the game, logic and canon is all on my side.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You use Bo in game telling you they're made of iron, well, to use your own argument, he's fallible. The boots themselves upon being collected tell you they're so heavy not even a Goron can move you. Know who's more reliable, the description by the devs, or a fat guy with a hot daughter? The devs.

Both can be true, simply cutting out your daft fanon and this apprent overhyping of Gorons and its all well and fine. Iron is a common metal, Bo uses them himself so hes not falliable. The devs made the game description, and Bo supports this in-game as part of the canon. Technically better than a game description.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You have to prove first actual weight of the things in question. Thats not happened yet, furthermore you have to prove the iron is somehow super dense, that just sounds like a daft reach to attempt to cover up the fact these things are not as heavy as you want to belive.

The fact that the Iron Boots are heavier than a greater volume of iron proves that they are heavier than iron. You really love the word reach, don't you? I believe Moo has repeatedly given you the weight of these things, and you're just reaching, too, by claiming lolmagic.

Further, you've ignored evidence that says the boots aren't actually iron and the localization team made stuff up.

You have to make a lot of assumptions for your logic to make sense, one is that Bo has legs that can lift tonnes which is not evident. Two, that the Iron is super dense without ever being stated so and three, LoZ never makes any physics mistakes, which is disproven all together by Gorons bouncing on lava, or more importantly so, Dangoro.

It's evident since he wears the Iron Boots, which are heavier than iron. Dangoro's just that badass. Now, why do you want a statement when there is actual evidence of the boots being heavier than iron armor?

Your case is broken, the boots are simply Iron until you can bring in in-game facts that prove their special in any way beyond being boots actually made from Iron as Bo actually claims.

Word of God says heavy, not iron. Your case broke long ago. Aonuma trumps Bo.

For his size? since when can a fantasy creatures weight be based purely on size? hes not even necesserily made of anything from our world. Youve yet to prove what hes actually made of apart from ambigious statements like "rock people" that youve taken to mean they seem to have a higher percentage of rock than flesh.

You just contradicted yourself massively here. Moo did the math using flesh, not rock, and still came out to heavier than 400 pounds. You say that its fantasy, so why can't the Iron Boots be heavier than normal iron?

Originally posted by Burning thought
You keep saying this BS, but youve yet to make fact on the weights of Gorons yet. All this "hes too ****ing big" rubbish is just a constant claim against real evidence.

So? Dangoro is not human 🙂

No, your math, your poor and ridiculous logic. The game itself says their iron, says nothing more than that and does not make a defined statement on Gorons either. The game even disregards physics somewhat with having Dangoro bouncing so no, the game, logic and canon is all on my side.

I don't need to find the Goron's weight. Because it's irrelevant to the claim at hand.

Very good. He's heavier. But, that means that the boots are heavier than Iron! Has it clicked yet?

😆 Dangoro even being harmed by lava is incorrect, because Gorons walk in the stuff. And you know what else? Your own logic prevents newer events from overriding old ones, so Dangoro is irrelevant based on Gorons in the past walking in lava.

Heavier? based on what? last time I looked the Iron boots which weigh at most 200-300 pounds stop him in his tracks...

Your trying to claim that events in the same game retcon previous events? I did not even lol, theres no a smiley for this that I can put here...

Last time you looked was when you checked your hate-glasses. Dangoro's math came up with much heavier, even when made of pure flesh.

Gorons themselves sink in water. Dangoro is much larger.

Not to mention his boots are MAGNETIZED, which essentially adds weight without actually adding weight to the boots.