Originally posted by linkownsyousobsNeg. 😐 I've jumpslashed them when they're airborne in Jabu Jabu's belly with no shock.
lol I caught that, and yes it's true, but that's only when they are in shallow water. When they're in the water they aren't electric, it's only when they come out and fly around you. If you try to hit it in the air, your getting shocked.🙂
Link's sword reflects lightning, kthnx.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Neg. 😐 I've jumpslashed them when they're airborne in Jabu Jabu's belly with no shock.Link's sword reflects lightning, kthnx.
don't remember if u was able to when they were airborne or, not. Again, it's been a long time since I've played it. If you have though, then they weren't charged at the time. It only happens when they charge towards u to try and shock u. When they have electricity charged around their bodies, then u can't hit them with your sword, they will f*** u up.
I though you wrote this off as a gameplay inconsistency anyways, why are we still arguing about this. Scenario tried proving me wrong about electrical enemies being in the water temple, and I proved him wrong with the material he gave me, kthnx.
I though you wrote this off as a gameplay inconsistency anyways, why are we still arguing about this. Scenario tried proving me wrong about electrical enemies being in the water temple, and I proved him wrong with the material he gave me, kthnx
Also, nah, you legitimately can stab them any time you want if you can time it, they won't ever electrocute you. The only enemies that did that are the jellyfish and that's only when you're a kid, because we know from the canon Ganondorf fight that Link's sword can reflect lightning back to at Ganny. 😬
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm arguing it because I'm waiting for my friends to pick me up and you're arguing back. /Bored and nerdy.Also, nah, you legitimately can stab them any time you want if you can time it, they won't ever electrocute you. The only enemies that did that are the jellyfish and that's only when you're a kid, because we know from the canon Ganondorf fight that Link's sword can reflect lightning back to at Ganny. 😬
Reflect lightning I can believe but he can't react to it at all. And I'm talking about lightning speed.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Started to write a reply but two sentences in I realised that the only highlight of this thread has nothing to do with the debate. It has gone on for a while though if needed ill replay, preferably somewhere else.Not cutscene but a gameplay moment. Will leave this by saying that no way is Link deflecting lightning several times in a row.
Fair enough. Alternatively, I can pull the 'its magical and isn't bound by real world physics' card and say that it is faster than real world lightning 313
Well, if it is deflected, there's no indication that is returned at the same speed, and is possibly slower (no indication apart from gameplay speed, but gameplay speed isn't much of a reliable indicator)
Also, I don't know the deal between Zant, Ganondorf and Zelda's possession, so lemme read up on that.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
Scenario tried proving me wrong about electrical enemies being in the water temple, and I proved him wrong with the material he gave me, kthnx. [/B]
But you didn't, as Link could still kill them with the sword. I was wrong on nothing electric, but there's nothing that supports the Master Sword beinng unable to deal with it.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Do you have anything other than gameplay speed to support that?
I already gave you proof. Barinade shoots lightning at the expected speed. So does Ganon in Four Sword Adventures and Agahnim in LttP. All of those lightning attacks cannot be reflected at all.
Also notice the balls move faster when struck in LttP and TP? Don't give me bullshit like "It goes lightspeed" because we all know Link has never shown any reaction at even supersonic speed.
The OoT Ganondorf fight and Puppet Zelda fight (as well as various Phantom Ganon fights) are all copies of the Agahnim fight. Agahnim's magic bolts aren't fast.
Also, it's worth noting that lightning in the form of balls are never faster than the eye can see when compared to actual lighting. Here's some examples:
1. Pokemon
Zap Cannon < Thundershock, Thunderbolt, and Thunder
2. Megaman X
Electric Spark < Triad Thunder
3. Dark Alliance
Ball Lightning < Lightning
4. Duke Nukem Zero Hour
BMF < Volt Cannon
5. Infamous
Electric Grenades < Summon lightning
6. Real Life
Ball Lightning < Lightning Bolt
7. Devil May Cry
Lightning Bat Balls < Air Raid lightning
8. Super Smash Bros
Air Thunder Jolt < Thunder
There you have it. Electric balls move slower than lightning bolts. There's your proof.
Also notice the balls move faster when struck in LttP and TP? Don't give me bullshit like "It goes lightspeed" because we all know Link has never shown any reaction at even supersonic speed.Wrong in ten different ways. Lightning speed isn't light speed, Link supersonic reaction feats, ect.
The OoT Ganondorf fight and Puppet Zelda fight (as well as various Phantom Ganon fights) are all copies of the Agahnim fight. Agahnim's magic bolts aren't fast.
Pokemon: Physical attacks = less than lightning speed, obvious. 😐
Megaman, gameplay example,
Ball lightning in real life? Lolwtf?
Gameplay example from smash bros...
Ect.
You've shown a hundred times Ganon shoots lightning bolts. The only difference is, when Link reflects them, they need to be slower in gameplay speed for the player to be able to react. Link reflects lightning.
What I was actually asking for was proof Ganon's lightning is slower than lightning, which you provided none of, only cited examples of Ganon shooting lightning and noticed that it works differently in gameplay when Link needs to reflect it. 😬
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wrong in ten different ways. Lightning speed isn't light speed, Link supersonic reaction feats, ect.Gameplay speed.
Those are a bunch of irrelevant examples which can be explained.Pokemon: Physical attacks = less than lightning speed, obvious. 😐
Megaman, gameplay example,
Ball lightning in real life? Lolwtf?
Gameplay example from smash bros...
Ect.
You've shown a hundred times Ganon shoots lightning bolts. The only difference is, when Link reflects them, they need to be slower in [b]gameplay speed for the player to be able to react
. Link reflects lightning.What I was actually asking for was proof Ganon's lightning is slower than lightning, which you provided none of, only cited examples of Ganon shooting lightning and noticed that it works differently in gameplay when Link needs to reflect it. 😬 [/B]
Does he typically throw lightning that isn't in the form of a stream of lightning?
Could I see a cutscene or something?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wrong in ten different ways. Lightning speed isn't light speed, Link supersonic reaction feats, ect.Gameplay speed.
Those are a bunch of irrelevant examples which can be explained.Pokemon: Physical attacks = less than lightning speed, obvious. 😐
Megaman, gameplay example,
Ball lightning in real life? Lolwtf?
Gameplay example from smash bros...
Ect.
You've shown a hundred times Ganon shoots lightning bolts. The only difference is, when Link reflects them, they need to be slower in [b]gameplay speed for the player to be able to react
. Link reflects lightning.What I was actually asking for was proof Ganon's lightning is slower than lightning, which you provided none of, only cited examples of Ganon shooting lightning and noticed that it works differently in gameplay when Link needs to reflect it. 😬 [/B]
Gosh, Screampaste. Your fanboyism is just as bad as the Sephiroth fanboys. And please go look up ball lightning.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Does he typically throw lightning that isn't in the form of a stream of lightning?
Could I see a cutscene or something?
1:45 is basically all we've got. It is identical to the ball later in the game except for how it's charged. The TP version is visibly electric.
Anyway, on to a new subject. I have just finished watching a walkthrough of Legacy of Kain: Defiance, which took several days, and havev noticed several things. First, there are almost no flying enemies in that game, which gives LoZ the high ground with Aeralfos, Kargaroks, Shadow Kargaroks, and Argorok. Second, there is not a whole lot of variety in the enemies. Kain and Raziel fight nothing but Shades, Vampire Hunters, Tribal Humans, and Cenobites + Demons basically the whole game. There's the occasional Vampire Golem or Guardian Construct, too, but those are ridiculously slow. On the other hand, Twilight Princes has different enemies for every area, and they tend to have more of an appreciation for armor and shields than Defiance enemies do. There are practically no vampires, either.
Kain isn't as fast or strong as BT would like to think, either, as he repeatedly demonstrates roughly human reaction times and doesn't move that fast. Raziel is killed by a magic attack at one point. The Elder God is also still pathetically weak when compared to the wanked version. He shows no strength above breaking rocks (odd that physical objects can touch him, hmmm?) and moving the Spirit Forge (where Raziel manages to injure him repeatedly), and it takes him forever to bury an area that was already underground. Raziel claims that the Elder God doesn't have the power to kill either he or Kain, which is then proven right. I now have a vague indication of what these characters can do, and I am not really impressed.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm arguing it because I'm waiting for my friends to pick me up and you're arguing back. /Bored and nerdy.Also, nah, you legitimately can stab them any time you want if you can time it, they won't ever electrocute you. The only enemies that did that are the jellyfish and that's only when you're a kid, because we know from the canon Ganondorf fight that Link's sword can reflect lightning back to at Ganny. 😬
lol... I wasn't really arguing with you anymore, I was just proving Scenario wrong. He said there wasn't any electric types, and I picked one out
I'm pretty sure that u can't hit them with the sword w/o getting shocked.I actually went back to the temple on project 64, but I couldn't find the little bastards to check and see.... I did, however, get to kill Dark Link again. xD
You already said that it was a gameplay inconsistency, and I went with it. I don't see why this part is relevant anymore.
that he overlooked.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Reflect lightning I can believe but he can't react to it at all. And I'm talking about lightning speed.
damn ScreamPaste, why did u even argue with me about lightning, when it was about speed the entire time.? I told you I didn't know was what said on the thread I just jumped in.
I'll just leave the rest to Sin and the others now, I don't know much about LoK series to really care about this thread anymore.
Gosh, Screampaste. Your fanboyism is just as bad as the Sephiroth fanboys. And please go look up ball lightning.
You've personally posted a video of Ganon shooting lightning bolts. You get to prove he chooses to slow them down just so Link can beat him, then, and I see no evidence of that. The only thing you have to support your argument is gameplay speed, and in gameplay it needs to be slower so the player can react.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You've personally posted a video of Ganon shooting lightning bolts. You get to prove he chooses to slow them down just so Link can beat him, then, and I see no evidence of that. The only thing you have to support your argument is gameplay speed, and in gameplay it needs to be slower so the [b]player can react. [/B]
Those videos are from Zelda games that happen at a later time (chronologically) from Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. Ganondorf doesn't turn into Ganon (the blue pig form) permanently until Link to the Past. Ganondorf couldn't shoot lightning or use the technique of Darkness before that.
And it's common sense that lightning balls move slower than lightning bolts. It even happens in real life. Stop avoiding the facts just because Ganondorf is not as powerful as you think he is.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Sin, didn't you once pull the "fiction doesn't have to obey real life" card? I think it was even in this thread, going against the Iron Boots.
I did say that but I even have used other games to prove that the lightning balls aren't fast. Even the scene where
Ganondorf's energy balls aren't slow because of gameplay and any Zelda fan can see that.
Those videos are from Zelda games that happen at a later time (chronologically) from Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. Ganondorf doesn't turn into Ganon (the blue pig form) permanently until Link to the Past. Ganondorf couldn't shoot lightning or use the technique of Darkness before that.Actually Four Sword adventures is apparently before OoT, so yeaaah.
We've proven he shoots lightning, you have to prove it's slower than lightning, as that is your claim. He's shown it, bolts, multiple times. Why on earth would he intentionally slow this down so Link could bounce it back to him?
He wouldn't. Simple.
Edit: Show me Ganon's attacks being slow outside of gameplay? In a cutscene before he even gets the ToP he hits Link with a non-electric attack that moves faster than the bolts do in gameplay.
You have no argument, Sin. Provide evidence, 😬
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually Four Sword adventures is apparently before OoT, so yeaaah.
Obviously bullshit especially how Zelda mentions that Ganon was once a Gerudo. That pretty much proves that the game happened after Ocarina of Time.
We've proven he shoots lightning, you have to prove it's slower than lightning, as that is your claim. He's shown it, [b]bolts, multiple times. Why on earth would he intentionally slow this down so Link could bounce it back to him?He wouldn't. Simple. [/B]
The only thing you proved was that the balls are electrical. I have proved that they're not even close to lightning speed already.
1. The video Scenario posted shows an energy ball. It is not charged with electricity. And it isn't even instant. Notice how close Link is and notice there is a cut from Ganondorf charging the ball and Link getting hit? Instant? My ass. 😖mart:
2. To even react to lightning bolts, Link would have to have lightning reaction. There is no evidence that he has that other than gameplay actions but those are obviously mechanics because Link cannot change tunic colors, put on Iron Boots, or hold up a shield at an instant.
YouTube video
1:30
Ganon's swings aren't close to lightning speed and Link didn't dodge that.
YouTube video
Link wields the Master Sword but only react two of Agahnim's projectiles.
YouTube video
4:04-5:13
Ganon shoots lightning. Link can't react to it at all.
5:57
Ganon shoots green balls. They move slower than the lightning and even make an electrical impact when they're reflected at him.