Viking life

Originally posted by Deadline
The problem is when you focus on a certain area your body temperature rises. So I can see why its described as an energy. You maybe be right but at the same time I stopped doing that particular training so I can't tell you more, also I don't think anybody has done enough scientifc testing to make a conclusive analysis.

lots of tests have been done. At this point, the benefits of meditation are considered to be akin to taking time out of your busy day and listening to relaxing music. This sort of focused mediation, where you try to do something new with your body, is a matter of neuroplasticity and probably some confirmation bias.

I'd be happy to test anything you want. Let me know who you know that can do crazy things.

Originally posted by Deadline
I can raise my body temperature but I can't do that. People may not be able to fly but I do think you can do extradinary things with meditation. I think you also have to bare in mind I don't think that scientific community is always open minded about this and maybe looking to debunk it. Im currentlty doing reasearch into parasychology and to be quite honest with you there does seem to be alot of bias.

oh

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
was it with you and the straw man arguments? did i say that?

ok, so you don't?

you certainly made it sound like you did, but maybe I misread it

Originally posted by Deadline
Inimalist

the i is not capitalized, inimalist

also, skeptical isn't appropriate, given that there is little to be skeptical of

you have produced no information or data for me to be skeptical of, the proper term would be that I don't agree with your opinion

Originally posted by Deadline
No thats not the problem. Inimalist is skeptical as well don't see me telling him to go away. Thats because hes having a discussion in a mature manner. Grow up.

I didn't tell you to go away, you told me to go away. Seriously, that was like thirty seconds ago.

All that I have done is ask for any evidence in support of your claims and point out why your logic is invalid.

chi has bn looked at as many different things from quasi mystical energy to your soul body and mind as one.. but some ppl dont believe in a soul and think it is broha same with the quasi mystic stuff so all you get left is with body and mind and how well one can control it...

some of us can turn off pain or ignore it.. raise body temp or lower it.. fall asleep in certain positions which i can do.. 😉 etc etc..

their was this old monk video guy who said he can use chi to paralyze animals and used a high yelp to focus it and had a bird fall in mid flight.. i think he learned to focus his voice to a particular pitch since i dont see any ironfist magic type ppl running around

Originally posted by inimalist
lots of tests have been done. At this point, the benefits of meditation are considered to be akin to taking time out of your busy day and listening to relaxing music. This sort of focused mediation, where you try to do something new with your body, is a matter of neuroplasticity and probably some confirmation bias.

Yes but did they do tests on highly skilled indivduals eg shaolin monks etc.

Originally posted by inimalist

I'd be happy to test anything you want. Let me know who you know that can do crazy things.

I might take you up on that at some point.

Originally posted by inimalist

oh

Im looking into NDEs and intersted in a particular scientist and I think he makes a good case for life after to death. I haven't actually seen anybody make a credible rebuttal against some of the points he made but I have seen alot of insults.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Where did this idea that Vikings trained their warriors to focus chi so that they become invulnerable come from anyway?

Actually I might adress that point. Its based on a beserker called Little Bear who was said to have laid in bed and made his soul leave his body so it could particpate in battle. No im not saying that actually happened but I do know there is a meditation where you lie on your back and visualise your soul leaving your body. He tought he was astral projecting but what he was really doing was meditating.

Also it been said that Odin himself used to do this and beserkers tended to be followers of Odin, so its possible they would have done this specific type of meditation in a way of honouring Odin.

Originally posted by inimalist
the i is not capitalized, [b]inimalist

also, skeptical isn't appropriate, given that there is little to be skeptical of

you have produced no information or data for me to be skeptical of, the proper term would be that I don't agree with your opinion [/B]

Well whatever but im absouletely fine with your opinion.

i use to do it while on acid.. i did it about 5 times 3 of them times were shadow ppl and one who claimed to be the devil. but i think the devil one was just a flash back since i wasnt on acid and i was meditating..

Originally posted by Deadline
Actually I might adress that point. Its based on a beserker called Little Bear who was said to have laid in bed and made his soul leave his body so it could particpate in battle. No im not saying that actually happened but I do know there is a meditation where you lie on your back and visualise your soul leaving your body. He tought he was astral projecting but what he was really doing was meditating.

That's really cool but I don't see how you go from using mediation for visualization to using mediation to make yourself preternaturally durable.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

All that I have done is ask for any evidence in support of your claims and point out why your logic is invalid.

Your not getting it. I don't have any evidence im simply telling you why I think its possible. No my logic isn't invalid but for somebody with my experience its enough proof to look into it further. As I already stated I realise that it may actually not be possible, all it is 'maybe'.

Were not having a scientfiic debate we are having a conversation on a discussion forum. You are blowing this way out of proportion.

This thread is hilarious. Viking Chi, and that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's really cool but I don't see how you go from using mediation for visualization to using mediation to make yourself preternaturally durable.

because thats how they do it in qi-gong and kung fu. Meditation is essential

so wait this iron shirt chi wasnt just a random post about chi and MA's but that vikings had the iron chi technique?facepalm2

whats next viking vanish technique and pepper powder distraction?

in this case viking definitely get 10/10

Originally posted by Deadline
No my logic isn't invalid

Saying this changes nothing when I've shown why your logic really is invalid three times.

Originally posted by Deadline
Were not having a scientfiic debate we are having a conversation on a discussion forum. You are blowing this way out of proportion.

But you can't have a discussion if people are allowed to make any claim they want, which is what you seem to be advocating. If that's allowed then the discussion devolves into seeing who can make the wildest claim about the side they support.

Originally posted by Deadline
because thats how they do it in qi-gong and kung fu.

I thought you said this worked by focusing on specific parts of yourself not visualization while lying in bed.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so wait this iron shirt chi wasnt just a random post about chi and MA's but that vikings had the iron chi technique?facepalm2

whats next viking vanish technique and pepper powder distraction?

in this case viking definitely get 10/10

*sigh*

1. Asian martial artists used mediation to do iron shirt and were said to be able to resist sword blows.
2. Theres evidence that beserkers meditated and were said to be able to resist sword blows

See where im going with this..... I've actually got things to back up what im saying you've done nothing but generalise. The only problem is we don't have conclusive evidence of wether the technique works.

b/c no modern person is stupid enough to be slashed with a sword to prove their Iron shirt techniques is 100% reliable...

i believe that viking and MA's can take sword blows with armor/chain mail on... not bare chested...

i also agree that they could take more damage then your average person and keep on trucking they are warriors trained to turn off pain I.E. meditation no mind and berserker rage also beer and certain rituals would help b4 battle to reach that state but i dont see them surviving days later from the wounds

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
b/c no modern person is stupid enough to be slashed with a sword to prove their Iron shirt techniques is 100% reliable...

Nope im pretty sure I've seen demonstrations were people have.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

i believe that viking and MA's can take sword blows with armor/chain mail on not bare chested...

also i also agree that they could take more damage then your average person and keep on trucking they are warriors trained to turn off pain I.E. meditation no mind and berserker rage also beer and certain rituals would help b4 battle to reach that state but i dont see them surviving days later from the wounds

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Saying this changes nothing when I've shown why your logic really is invalid three times.

No you haven't because it doesn't mean its illogical for somebody of my experience to look into it. Its just illogical for you.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

But you can't have a discussion if people are allowed to make any claim they want, which is what you seem to be advocating. If that's allowed then the discussion devolves into seeing who can make the wildest claim about the side they support.

Not at all it depends on the seriousness of the conversation.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

I thought you said this worked by focusing on specific parts of yourself not visualization while lying in bed.

Thats one way of doing it. If you were to use meditation to go beserk that make your body more resistant as well.

Isn't the "iron shirt" technique a Shoalin practice of toughing the body through physical exercises? Being repeatedly hit in one spot, doing strenuous exercises targeting the joints, growing callouses on your hands/knuckles etc; not just thinking you're tough and shuddenly you are?

Pretty sure it is, I watched a show on Shoalin Monk's daily regiments/training.

Originally posted by Robtard
Isn't the "iron shirt" technique a Shoalin practice of toughing the body through physical exercises? Being repeatedly hit in one spot, doing strenuous exercises targeting the joints, growing callouses on your hands/knuckles etc?

Pretty sure it is, I watched a show on Shoalin Monk's daily regiments/training.

Thats external iron shirt. There are other ways of doing it.

Originally posted by Deadline
Thats external iron shirt. There are other ways of doing it.

That one makes sense.

Originally posted by inimalist
well, samurais are too fast and stealthy, and they would chop the gun in half

and vikings would just focus their chi and stop the blast