"Freedom Flotilla" Attacks

Originally posted by Liberator
Hamas is not really working for the good of Palestine but the fact that Israel does keep the Palestinian people in concentration camp like conditions shouldn't really surprise anyone that a group like that would form.

People seem surprised that Hamas does what they do, but they're people pushed to the brink, they're fighting for every last bit of freedom they got. I'm not trying to glorify all the acts of Hamas, but you have to see it from their point of view.

It reminds me of the IRA's bombing campaign, the majority of Ireland didn't want it to occur but it happened anyways due to a few extremists who felt pushed to the brink.

If Israel hadn't taken it upon themselves to butcher these Palestinians in something reminisicant of the Holocaust, groups like Hamas wouldn't form and do what they do.

Yeah but Northern Ireland didn't vote the IRA into power did they?...oh no wat... 😆

You should feel genuinely ashamed comparing the Palestine situation to the holocaust...People make these flippant remarks all the time because either they're reactionary idiots or they don't have a clue what happened during the holocaust...

...then there are people who have no idea what is going on in Gaza either.

Did you know that canned fruits and fruit juices are forbidden from entering Gaza? So is chocolate, and cans only became available last month because it is believed Palestinians will melt them to make weapons.

Construction material is forbidden of any kind, for fear of Palestinians building bunkers.

Other shit forbidden in Gaza according to Geisha.org, featured in the Economist-

coriander, ginger, nutmag, canned fruit, dried fruit, fresh meat, fishing rods, ropes for fishing, fabric for clothing, chickens, donkeys, horses, goats, cattle, musical instruments (?????????), newspapers(??), wood, razors, toys, notebooks(???), sweets, buscuits, jam, halva, flavour and smell enhancers, nylon netting for greenhouses, size A4 paper (wtf??), writing implements, plastic/glass/metal containers...etc.

For those who don't know what Geisha is -

''Gisha is an Israeli not-for-profit organization, founded in 2005, whose goal is to protect the freedom of movement of Palestinians, especially Gaza residents. Gisha promotes rights guaranteed by international and Israeli law.''

Israelis are not living in a lala land and neither are they apathetic to what is going on in Gaza, nor do they ignore it, nor do they want their government to break international AND Israeli law. Much like USA breaks its own laws against its own citizens and their constitution (oh hello, patriot act), Israeli government is breaking their own laws too.

I don't think anyone is harping on Israelis in particular and frankly I think most US citizens here arguing against Israel would argue that they don't like the US Patriot act either.

My criticisms have been direct at the government, which seems hell bent on preventing food, shelter, medicine, reading, and writing to enter Gaza.

Originally posted by Ordo
I don't think anyone is harping on Israelis in particular and frankly I think most US citizens here arguing against Israel would argue that they don't like the US Patriot act either.

My criticisms have been direct at the government, which seems hell bent on preventing food, shelter, medicine, reading, and writing to enter Gaza.

Mine is as well. Israeli government is breaking international law, human rights law and Israeli law itself. There are Israeli extremists, something many people just choose to ignore.
It's like people that are arguing that Israel can do no wrong are Israeli equivalent of extreme republicans. Liberal Israelis are for Palestinian state, and are for stopping this ridiculous inhumain and savage treating of Palestinian civilians.

This kind of behaviour will radicalise people in Palestine who are not radicals, as they see no other option for them but to turn to terrorists and other exploiters and scum.
I'm just so sick of people that are Israel government-worshipping.

There is also such double standard - if any other country did this, we would annihilate it.

Originally posted by jaden101
You should feel genuinely ashamed comparing the Palestine situation to the holocaust...People make these flippant remarks all the time because either they're reactionary idiots or they don't have a clue what happened during the holocaust...

There is some interesting similiarities...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PCmNHkDAEg

Originally posted by jaden101

You should feel genuinely ashamed comparing the Palestine situation to the holocaust...

"Escape from New York" movie has more similarities.

YouTube video

The Plot thickens not.

The Iranian Red Crescent is set to send 2 vessels to Gazza as well

News Link

Isreal is hinting at declaring war on Turkey if they send warships with the next "Flotilla".

Uzi Dayan, former deputy Chief of General Staff, told Army Radio Monday morning.

"If the Turkish Prime Minister joins such a flotilla,” Dayan said, “we should make clear beforehand this would be an act of war, and we would not try to take over the ship he was on, but would sink it.”

News link

What does he mean if the "Turkish Prime Minister joins such a flotilla"?

Turkey's Prime Minister isn't insane enough to go on a flotilla carrying much needed aid to those in the Gaza strip is he...

I can't really see Israel and Turkey going to war, however you can't take Israel lightly because they'd love to go to war with anyone if they got the chance and the "right" reasons to.

I don't recall any nation in particular that was supportive of Israel's actions. There is no reason for Turkey not to up the ante and there is no reason for nations like Iran to get in on the action too.

Isreal lost. Continuing to be belligerent just costs them more in the long run.

Its so aggravating to me that after decades of conflict, the US FINALLY gets on board with the 2-state and then Israel goes off the deep end.

WWIII is just around the corner.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
The Plot thickens not.

The Iranian Red Crescent is set to send 2 vessels to Gazza as well

News Link

Isreal is hinting at declaring war on Turkey if they send warships with the next "Flotilla".

Uzi Dayan, former deputy Chief of General Staff, told Army Radio Monday morning.

"If the Turkish Prime Minister joins such a flotilla,” Dayan said, “we should make clear beforehand this would be an act of war, and we would not try to take over the ship he was on, but would sink it.”

News link

The plot thickens, indeed.

These attacks were a fatal mistake by Israel. Turkey is (was?) Israel's ally, and this is not how you treat your allies considering they are so scarce.
Turkey has CHECKED all the Flotilla boats for weapons or other things...then again, Turks are not the champions in minority rights or land rights. *cough* Kurds and Cyprus *cough*

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
WWIII is just around the corner.

People have been saying that since 1946.

WWIII will not happen. The world is too interconnected now.

I think it would need more than a comment from an EX military leader to raise that worry anyway.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The US also refuses to negotiate with Hamas.

It's the best thing to do. Never negotiate with Terrorists. You negotiate with them...they automatically win.

It is scary. If Iran sends in aid ships with navel escort, and Israel sinks them, then what would be the outcome?

Do you have any genuine reason to think this will happen?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Do you have any genuine reason to think this will happen?

I was reading one of the links from above:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-two-iranian-ships-to-sail-to-gaza-1.294657

I just hope USA knows not to get involved in war with Iran - diplomacy, pleaseeee...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was reading one of the links from above:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-two-iranian-ships-to-sail-to-gaza-1.294657

And you have extracted from that that Israel will sink Iranian vessels?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
And you have extracted from that that Israel will sink Iranian vessels?

Not directly, no. But in the other link from the same post, they did say something about sinking the ships. One link was about Turkey, and the other one was about Iran sending ships. However, I would not be surprised if Israel sank the ships. I don't think Israel will let the blockade be broken, but I could be wrong.