Originally posted by inimalist
the election of Hamas was a little more complex than that
I'm not talking about the complexities and reasons for their election...I'm stating that they were still elected by the Palestinian people despite Israel making the 1st major step forward.
Quite obvious what the results of Hamas' election in Palestine would be in terms of response from Irsael. Thus extremely self defeating on the part of the Palestinians.
its well outside the scope of the thread, and would be a waste of words anyways
the issue is such that you can paint it however you want. I think its silly that you would say Isreal ever offered anything close to peace to a people and land they continue to settle and occupy, but that is how you want to frame it. Obviously you know my bias.
Originally posted by inimalist
its well outside the scope of the thread, and would be a waste of words anywaysthe issue is such that you can paint it however you want. I think its silly that you would say Isreal ever offered anything close to peace to a people and land they continue to settle and occupy, but that is how you want to frame it. Obviously you know my bias.
I never said they offered peace. I said they made a major step forward in forcibly withdrawing their own citizens from settlements in Gaza. This was relatively quickly followed up by a step in the wrong direction by the election of Hamas in Palestine. I'm not trying to say this has a cause and effect relationship but this was events which have shaped the situation today in terms of how many attacks on Israel occur from Gaza and why they take the action they deem now necessary to protect themselves from attack.
Clearly you aren't comfortable with your own bias otherwise you wouldn't have had to resort to a straw-man fallacy to attack my point.
Originally posted by inimalist ...
Do I have to repeat myself? Apparently I do.
I'm not discussing the details of Hamas election.. I'm stating that it happened AFTER Israel made a step in the right direction...Doing something productive.
Or are you genuinely trying to say that the election of Hamas was not counter-productive to peace in the region? Regardless of the "complexities" of the circumstances of their election.
Originally posted by jaden101
Do I have to repeat myself? Apparently I do.I'm not discussing the details of Hamas election.. I'm stating that it happened AFTER Israel made a step in the right direction...Doing something productive.
Or are you genuinely trying to say that the election of Hamas was not counter-productive to peace in the region? Regardless of the "complexities" of the circumstances of their election.
I think he is just wanting to say its all the Israel's fault, and don't confuse him with facts. 😄
Originally posted by jaden101
Or are you genuinely trying to say that the election of Hamas was not counter-productive to peace in the region? Regardless of the "complexities" of the circumstances of their election.
no, but I certainly don't think Israel has ever offered anything tangible that the Palestinian people, not Hamas or Fatah or whatever, would have reason to think working with them would solve anything.
that being said, it is Israel who currently refuses to negotiate with Hamas, not vice versa
Originally posted by inimalist
no, but I certainly don't think Israel has ever offered anything tangible that the Palestinian people, not Hamas or Fatah or whatever, would have reason to think working with them would solve anything.that being said, it is Israel who currently refuses to negotiate with Hamas, not vice versa
The US also refuses to negotiate with Hamas.