Thanos with infinity gems vs Anti monitor

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you're saying Dormammu wasn't Multiversal because he didn't perform multiversal feats? That is ludicris. The term multiversal as Masters points out was used MANY more times than in the Abraxas arc which you hold onto so dearly being a multiversal event. So your premise is that in order for something to be multiversal they have to exhibit that kinda of power each of their appearances? Is it not possible for someone or something to be multiversal without displaying said power all the time or some of the time? Furthermore, it is made clear by Marvel and it's canon... The same Eternity in the Abraxas arc is the same Eternity that Thanos defeated. There is no debate you just choose to ignore facts. I've asked for proof of this so many times and you have NONE... Prove that they were different eternity's in the respective stories... You have zero.. nada.. nothing. It's the SAME Eternity. Regardless of that, as I pointed out and as been stated on panel 616 is THE Eternity of all Eternity's period. The same one Thanos pwned with ease and took its place.

Those circumstances place doubt on whatever multiversality was exhibited by that Eternity in the Defenders storyline. Which should lead you to question why we're even projecting multiversality on a clearly universal 616 Eternity from a storyline published a decade PRIOR and which has nothing to do with the Defenders storyline in the first place.

It's a simple question: Is there one Eternity for each universe? Yes.

We've seen them on-panel. We saw an alternate one pwn Impossible Man, we saw an alternate one deal with Silver Surfer. Why is the 616 one that dealt with Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet somehow a conglomeration of every alternate Eternity out there? You're essentially arguing that every universe has an Eternity that represents that universe, one Eternity for one universe... except the 616 universe. Because... somehow... the 616 Eternity cannot possibly only represent the 616 universe... it has to represent all universes.

Even if you can somehow get past such self-serving logic... Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery. Give me a break.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Restating what I stated because you cannot think of anything yourself is called imitation.

Only certain criteria matters from thread to thread. I have gotten quite used to him discarding previous logic from thread to thread.

Because it's displayed here again. Irony.

So when is it hyperbole, and when isn't it?

Thanos says he's god of all universes. Does that prove he has multiversal power with the IG, or that he has really big delusions of grandure?

How about when M. Bison called himself a god in Street Fighter: The Movie?

How about every time a villain calls himself a god, or ruler of the universe...?

Gotta be a line somewhere.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, I'm saying that there is more than enough circumstance that throws Dormammu's proclamations of multiversal power into doubt since he never actually did anything multiversal with it. At all. And that is starkly different from how Abraxas was completely f'ing up alternate universes on-panel to the point where they're all blending together and all that damage had to be fixed across the Marvel Multiverse.

Those circumstances place doubt on whatever multiversality was exhibited by that Eternity in the Defenders storyline. Which should lead you to question why we're even projecting multiversality on a clearly universal 616 Eternity from a storyline published a decade PRIOR and which has nothing to do with the Defenders storyline in the first place.

It's a simple question: Is there one Eternity for each universe? Yes.

We've seen them on-panel. We saw an alternate one pwn Impossible Man, we saw an alternate one deal with Silver Surfer. Why is the 616 one that dealt with Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet somehow a conglomeration of every alternate Eternity out there? You're essentially arguing that every universe has an Eternity that represents that universe, one Eternity for one universe... except the 616 universe. Because... somehow... the 616 Eternity cannot possibly only represent the 616 universe... it has to represent all universes.

Even if you can somehow get past such self-serving logic... Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery. Give me a break. I'm pointing out the irony your statements represent. This isn't hard.

Because it's displayed here again. Irony.

What are we arguing about here? Are you saying I'm claiming that because Thanos beat Eternity that he exhibited Multiversal power? When did I claim such a thing. Show me where I said so? I don't think beating somebody multiversal means you're multiversal. Just because the IG wtf pwnd the multiversal UN doesn't make it Multiversal. That being said, it's not JUST a critical piece in a critical place it is OUTRIGHT STATED to be the most powerful and THE Eternity that gives birth to ALL Universes. We aren't just talking about a unique position and all else is the same. No we are talking about a bigger and better Eternity than ALL other AND it being in a unique position.

Okay now look at the post above and hopefully that will put an end to you thinking what I know you "think" I'm saying. I'm not saying because Thanos beat a multiversal Eternity or not means Thanos with the IG is multiversal. Not saying that. I'm arguing simply that the Eternity we see that fought Thanos is THE SAME Eternity in the Abraxas arc. There is nothing that contradicts this being true. Bio's are canon and thus it's canon.

Answer the following questions…

1. So you concede that Dormmy could've very well been Multiversal just as the writer said correct? Afterall, you must concede that the writers were clearly trying to drive that home across with the constant use of the term multiversal… It wasn't a throw away line it was said numerous times, thus not a mistake correct? Thus, whether he showed multiversal power or not… the writers clearly felt he was multiversal in power. The LT is multiversal in power but that doesn't mean he has to exhibit this everytime right? Especially when you consider this is the one and only time we've seen dormmy approach said levels of power.. thus there isn't multiple showings of his to go see he is or isn't.. thus we go with what the writers clearly intended it to be… multiversal.

2. Do you agree that 616 Eternity has on panel statements making it clear he is the most important Eternity and certainly seemingly the most powerful. After all, it specifically been said and shown numerous times that 616 Eternity is the one that birth ALL universes among other statements on panel. You would agree that it would seem by on panel statements that 616 Eternity is the most powerful Eternity correct? Whether you believe it to be multiversal or not is irrelevant… I'm just asking in comparison to the other Eternity on panel statements seem to make it clear who is the most powerful and important Eternity right?

3. Also… while universes COULD mean a variety of things.. it could also very well mean exactly and literally what is said on panel…. Thanos is God of this universe and ALL universes. It is possible for this statement to be true correct?

^ Repeating what you're insisting doesn't remedy the problems I've pointed out. The 616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Gauntlet is not the Multi-Eternity that showed up in Abraxas. It's reverse-projection of the worst kind.

1. As long as you concede that there is circumstance that throws any reliance on multiversality into doubt, sure.

2. 616 Eternity is the most important the same way 616 Galactus is. 616 Eternity isn't the most powerful -- by way of conglomerating the power of all alternate Eternities -- the same way 616 Galactus isn't.

3. Of course it's possible. But it's contradicted by the following: (i) Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery during Infinity War, (ii) you're literally arguing that a 616 Eternity that represents only the 616 universe cannot possibly exist, and (iii) Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery.

Possibility =/= probability. And suggesting your interpretations are possible would be a vast overstatement. Comics aren't this hard to read, particularly Infinity Gauntlet.

All those times he said "this universe," "this realm," "this reality" . . .

it was always implied to mean "[all] this universe[s]," "[all] this realms[s]," "[all] this reality[ies]" . . . ?

Why is it so clearly delineated during Abraxas -- whereby they literally spent an entire issue setting up how there was an Eternity for each universe -- that the crisis and magnitude was truly multiversal... but in Infinity Gauntlet, you actually have to read handbooks, bios, some random Defenders story ten years down the road in order to appreciate that the crisis and magnitude was truly multiversal?

That doesn't strike you as being tenuous at all? Seriously? barker

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Repeating what you're insisting doesn't remedy the problems I've pointed out. The 616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Gauntlet is not the Multi-Eternity that showed up in Abraxas. It's reverse-projection of the worst kind.

1. As long as you concede that there is circumstance that throws any reliance on multiversality into doubt, sure.

2. 616 Eternity is the most important the same way 616 Galactus is. 616 Eternity isn't the most powerful -- by way of conglomerating the power of all alternate Eternities -- the same way 616 Galactus isn't.

3. Of course it's possible. But it's contradicted by the following: [b](i) Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery during Infinity War, (ii) you're literally arguing that a 616 Eternity that represents only the 616 universe cannot possibly exist, and (iii) Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery.

Possibility =/= probability. And suggesting your interpretations are possible would be a vast overstatement. Comics aren't this hard to read, particularly Infinity Gauntlet.

All those times he said "this universe," "this realm," "this reality" . . .

it was always implied to mean "[all] this universe[s]," "[all] this realms[s]," "[all] this reality[ies]" . . . ?

Why is it so clearly delineated during Abraxas -- whereby they literally spent an entire issue setting up how there was an Eternity for each universe -- that the crisis and magnitude was truly multiversal... but in Infinity Gauntlet, you actually have to read handbooks, bios, some random Defenders story ten years down the road in order to appreciate that the crisis and magnitude was truly multiversal?

That doesn't strike you as being tenuous at all? Seriously? barker [/B]

Of course it's tenuous nobody is arguing that or at least not me. However, you did miss my first paragraph that I even bolded. You keep on repeating Galactus and Multiversal surgery… I keep pointing out that I do not believe Thanos beating Eternity makes him Multiversal. Just as I don't believe the IG beating the UN with ease makes the iG multiversal just because it dominated the UN. Someone beating someone doesn't neccesitate or mean they are now multiversal if the beaten person is. Hopefully you got my point this time.

1. Point is… the writers on numerous occasions put in the word multiversal.. it wasn't an accident it's an on panel fact. On panel fact > than your opinion or not liking it

2. No I asked a specific question… Is it not true that through narration and depiction 616 Eternity seems to be the most powerful and most important. There are many lines giving 616 this seemingly more powerful distinction. True or no? There is NO Multi-Eternity there is no proof of such. I could easily call that a throw away line just as you do lines that appear in only one arc. If there is one I believe it would be 616 Eternity.

3. Of course he was talking about this universe and that was said numerous times because guess what he was ONLY focused on being God of the 616 Universe. So that fits nicely with what we saw on panel. What did you expect them to say… universes and use multiversal when he was only trying to be God of the 616? That doesn't contradict anything or prove a thing. That is exactly why those words were used. However, the line in question was also put in very clearly and with no ambiguity because of the power of the 616 IG… It obviously is the power of the IB and thus very logically you are God of this universe and ALL universes. That was very easy wasn't it?

^ How does that bolded paragraph remedy your conclusion that you still think Galactus was performing multiversal surgery... since that 616 Eternity laying comatose was, in your opinion, representative of every alternate universe and every alternate Eternity?

1. That's the same argument I'm making where it's pretty blatantly stated that Infinity Gauntlet and infinity War dealt with just the 616 universe. Many. Times.

2. 616 Eternity is the most important for the same reason 616 Galactus is. 616 Eternity is not the most powerful -- in that his power represents a conglomeration of every alternate Eternity -- for the same reason 616 Galactus is not the most powerful. Multi-Eternity was literally described on-panel during the Abraxas saga in the most "hold-your-hands-you-might-be-stupid-so-I-will-spell-it-out" way you could possibly do it. Any argument otherwise is an affliction of blindness.

3. That proves that the 616 Eternity that showed up represented the 616 universe. The 616 IG makes you god of the 616 universe. the 3414 IG makes you god of the 3414 universe. That's why Thanos and his doppelganger discuss fleeing to an alternate universe to become god of that alternate universe in Infinity War. Those discussions wouldn't make any sense -- hell, the existence of alternate IG's wouldn't make any sense -- if the 616 IG gives you the power over every alternate universe.

Why the hell are we arguing if 616 Eternity is Multiversal? Of course he isn't. If he were then there wouldn't be a 616 Surfer, a 616 Thanos, and 616 versions of all the characters. They are all singular so the universe that represents them must also be singular. It was very clear in the Abraxas arch that there is a multiversal Eternity. This is not the same guy as the 616 Eternity. Not at all.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Long post with good scans

All hail Mr Master notworthy

🙂

Again, How in the hell is there a Multi-Eternity in the Abraxas story but people are saying the 616 Eternity is the multione? That makes no sense? And if the 616 is the Multi One why are there singular versions of it's heroes and bad guys? That MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL. And why is it 616 Eternity if it's the Multiverse?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, I'm saying that there is more than enough circumstance that throws Dormammu's proclamations of multiversal power into doubt since he never actually did anything multiversal with it. At all. And that is starkly different from how Abraxas was completely f'ing up alternate universes on-panel to the point where they're all blending together and all that damage had to be fixed across the Marvel Multiverse.

Those circumstances place doubt on whatever multiversality was exhibited by that Eternity in the Defenders storyline. Which should lead you to question why we're even projecting multiversality on a clearly universal 616 Eternity from a storyline published a decade PRIOR and which has nothing to do with the Defenders storyline in the first place.

It's a simple question: Is there one Eternity for each universe? Yes.

We've seen them on-panel. We saw an alternate one pwn Impossible Man, we saw an alternate one deal with Silver Surfer. Why is the 616 one that dealt with Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet somehow a conglomeration of every alternate Eternity out there? You're essentially arguing that every universe has an Eternity that represents that universe, one Eternity for one universe... except the 616 universe. Because... somehow... the 616 Eternity cannot possibly only represent the 616 universe... it has to represent all universes.

Even if you can somehow get past such self-serving logic... Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery. Give me a break. I'm pointing out the irony your statements represent. This isn't hard.

Because it's displayed here again. Irony.

This isn't hard at all.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course it's tenuous nobody is arguing that or at least not me. However, you did miss my first paragraph that I even bolded. You keep on repeating Galactus and Multiversal surgery… I keep pointing out that I do not believe Thanos beating Eternity makes him Multiversal. Just as I don't believe the IG beating the UN with ease makes the iG multiversal just because it dominated the UN. Someone beating someone doesn't neccesitate or mean they are now multiversal if the beaten person is. Hopefully you got my point this time.

1. Point is… the writers on numerous occasions put in the word multiversal.. it wasn't an accident it's an on panel fact. On panel fact > than your opinion or not liking it

2. No I asked a specific question… Is it not true that through narration and depiction 616 Eternity seems to be the most powerful and most important. There are many lines giving 616 this seemingly more powerful distinction. True or no? There is NO Multi-Eternity there is no proof of such. I could easily call that a throw away line just as you do lines that appear in only one arc. If there is one I believe it would be 616 Eternity.

3. Of course he was talking about this universe and that was said numerous times because guess what he was ONLY focused on being God of the 616 Universe. So that fits nicely with what we saw on panel. What did you expect them to say… universes and use multiversal when he was only trying to be God of the 616? That doesn't contradict anything or prove a thing. That is exactly why those words were used. However, the line in question was also put in very clearly and with no ambiguity because of the power of the 616 IG… It obviously is the power of the IB and thus very logically you are God of this universe and ALL universes. That was very easy wasn't it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're wrong I am right. You're biased I am fair.

This isn't hard at all.

Owned.

Irony: You like to harp about people conceding to you, and you can't even put up an argument anymore.

Irony: KuRuPT Thanosi doesn't even think Magus' pwning of Quasar is evidence of the IG's multiversality.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're wrong I am right. You're biased I am fair.

This isn't hard at all.

Owned.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Irony.

Irony.

Irony.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
There aren't enough people in the world to facepalm this shit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.

Thanos wins.

Not with you arguing for him. doped

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I know, I accepted your concession in my earlier post. You may have missed that in your haste. ermmhappy

Not with you arguing for him. doped

It's just another case of me being right.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You conceded a while back I got the memo.

It's just another case of me being right.

You can read right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You conceded a while back I got the memo.

It's just another case of me being right.

We missed your arguments. Hard to tell. Oh wait... that's right, you won't even make them anymore... or were you ever able to in the first place? mhmm

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... and then you woke up. excellent

We missed your arguments. Hard to tell. Oh wait... that's right, you won't even make them anymore... or were you ever able to in the first place? mhmm

^ All that power and prescience sure worked against Maelstrom.

... oh wait. ermmhappy

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ All that power and prescience sure worked against Maelstrom.

... oh wait. ermmhappy