People, including you, said he would be a non factor.
This is a lie. I do not talk to liars.
I tried. Really, I did. You are too caught up in the dance and game of "scoring points" to realize that this isn't a debate. There is no comparison that equates you to me. For every piece of advice I gave you, you tried to retaliate. (Kudos, by the way, for fitting four fallacies into a three paragraph post.)
Onto ignore you go.
Originally posted by DrunknClockwork
Yeah, he had a plan B [B]IF he saw he was no match for his old master.And Dooku being empowered by Vjun could've been the deciding factor in the duel because if Yoda (who was constantly invigorating himself via the force in addition to using the arguably physically most demanding lightsaber form with all it's flips and spins) couldn't finish off Dooku (with his boosted force reserves) fast enough, he would've lost.
It really wasn't as clear of a fight as people make it out to be. [/B]
It is the boost to Dooku that is noteworthy. Dooku was incapable of taking Yoda out even with the (very much acclaimed) Dark Side boost from the planet. Yoda is better than Dooku+.
I believe that the above paragraph is what Gideon was getting at.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I don't think there would be any "taking on" occurring, let alone "beating." There will be no beating going on.Exar Kun whips him like a red-headed stepchild.
He is more adept with a blade. (Kun invented his own style and weapon.)
He is more knowledgeable with the Force. (Kun had more combat-applicable knowledge than Skywalker ever dreamed of.)
He is more adept with the Force. (Spamming amulet blasts will quickly overwhelm the boy wonder.)Everything that Anakin could do, Kun could do better.
This doesn't equate to being a non-factor LOL LOL. Thanks for the laugh and the fallacies buddy.
Originally posted by Gideon
Post where RN said Anakin was a non-factor. And make it soon.
Him saying he whips Anakin like a red-headed step child in every department doesn't equate to him viewing Anakin as a non-factor. How on Gods green earth is that even possible? However, I didn't disagree with most of that conclusion.. all I did disagree with was in regards to sabers. View the previous page and how many times it was said Anakin was a non-factor which I also referenced in my post. Red Nemesis and the post I quoted seems very clearly to be saying the same thing.. unless of course you find something in there where he gives Anakin a chance...
KT
Him saying he whips Anakin like a red-headed step child in every department doesn't equate to him viewing Anakin as a non-factor. How on Gods green earth is that even possible? However, I didn't disagree with most of that conclusion.. all I did disagree with was in regards to sabers. View the previous page and how many times it was said Anakin was a non-factor which I also referenced in my post. Red Nemesis and the post I quoted seems very clearly to be saying the same thing.. unless of course you find something in there where he gives Anakin a chance...
Okay. This,
KT
People, including you, said he would be a non factor.
...is what RN put you on ignore for. Technically, no, saying that Kun would curbstomp Anakin doesn't necessarily mean Anakin is a non-factor. RN rarely uses metaphor and is very literal. Kit Fisto was curbstomped by the Emperor, but was still technically a factor in the duel.
To you, it might mean the same thing, but he didn't actually say it, which is what's important.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I'm not sure this works. Yoda is always "boosting himself." That is the baseline combat style.It is the boost to Dooku that is noteworthy. Dooku was incapable of taking Yoda out even with the (very much acclaimed) Dark Side boost from the planet. Yoda is better than Dooku+.
I believe that the above paragraph is what Gideon was getting at.
That is why I said it's not really clear how the fight would've ended if the duo didn't arrive.
Originally posted by DrunknClockwork
Dooku+ couldn't take out Yoda, yes, but Yoda couldn't take out Dooku+ too and that's the point.
I wasn't claiming that Dooku was better during the fight that is depicted in the book and yeah, Yoda was better (however not by a big margin, because the book described Dooku "Slowly, slowly [giving way]"and even then you don't know if it wasn't intentional due to Dooku's fighting-style) but was it really enough for him to create an opening and kill Dooku? Because like I said, the longer the fight goes the greater becomes the advantage of Dooku due to the boost + his power efficient fighting style.That is why I said it's not really clear how the fight would've ended if the duo didn't arrive.
What? Since when couldn't Yoda take out Dooku? Is there any evidence of that? Because Yoda admitted that he wasn't really going all out vs Dooku (well, Yoda admitted that he's reluctant to kill Dooku).
Dooku learns about the duo before the fight begins; they are not the deciding factor in his decision to activate the DOKAW.
Also, I think you will notice that it is Dooku, not Yoda, who is singled out as feeling the strain of battle:
Pushing Dooku back yet again, blades flashed and flared stutters of light, blood red and sea green. Sweat ran in streams through Dooku's beard as he countered Yoda's every move, and his lips were white.
Kit Fisto was curbstomped by the Emperor, but was still technically a factor in the duel.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Dooku learns about the duo before the fight begins; they are not the deciding factor in his decision to activate the DOKAW.
Also, I think you will notice that it is Dooku, not Yoda, who is singled out as feeling the strain of battle:
I guess it just seems to me that you're attributing a bit of urgency to Dooku's actions that I don't see. He holds Anakin in total disregard, and thinks of Kenobi only with disdain. I don't think that he would be particularly worried about them. This is still the time period where he routinely puts Skywalker on his ass. (See that terrible cartoon movie that I never watched. There's a relevant clip in there somewhere.)
For me it's just an indication of a hard fought battle on both sides.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
[B]I guess it just seems to me that you're attributing a bit of urgency to Dooku's actions that I don't see. He holds Anakin in total disregard, and thinks of Kenobi only with disdain. I don't think that he would be particularly worried about them. This is still the time period where he routinely puts Skywalker on his ass. (See that terrible cartoon movie that I never watched. There's a relevant clip in there somewhere.)
Dooku flicked through the security monitors until he found the ballroom."Ah," he said. Something in his face seemed to freeze, and die. "I see you brought your protege."
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"You didn't mention bringing young Skywalker," Dooku said, pointing to the holomonitor. "And Obi-Wan, too. That changes the odds considerably."
Yes but Yoda isn't noted to feel the same strain.
P.S: It's 2am over here. I'm off to sleep + university so I won't be replying for the next 15h or so.