Rank street levelers.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I can use your logic and say there second fight Shang was just testing the waters and its clear he was caught off guard by Logans other abilities as he mentions them.

You logic is so amusing and disgusting at the same time.

And lets not forget on how Ironfist treated Logan like a noob. ha

You can say anything you'd like, but just like your asinine interpretation of the events of First Class that isn't what happened. Shang-Chi attacked Wolverine, Wolverine effortless put him down and as you can plainly see on panel he didn't use any of his abilities.

Before Wolverine had any of his powers or character development. Again: It is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
No because its all skill. In fiction skill can go as far as powers. LOL

This isn't new Stiltman. That's why Kenshiro is a beast man. And its not like Shang or Batman are even remotely there level of skill anyways. Is that what you are suggesting? LOL

LMAO

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I did. Not just DD though. I put Shang, Daredevil, Ironfist, Elektra all above Steve.

Steve is very skilled but most of the time Daredevil and even Ironfist have noted his stats being very impressive. DD himself stated he's faster and stronger then him. Steve is a beast he is a super soldier for sure.

I think this is a bit of faulty logic. One time DD stated that he couldn't read Cap and he said the same about Crossbones and his radar sense wasn't working properly. Ironfist stated that Cap was fast but you need to compare Cap without SSS. Cap has non SSS showings which are very impressive and I don't think DD and Ironfist can match them.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Any people smart enough to take the panels into consideration along with the narration, will notice none of those "enhancements" came into play.

Wolverine got flykicked in the face for FFS and was even bleeding. Superhard bones and HF aren't going to be involved there? Wolverine has enhanced reflexes thats not going to come into play. He also had supersharp claws.

Again you're not a genuis otherwise you wouldn't be here, everything you say is correct because you twist everything around.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wolverine vs. Shang-Chi...

Shang cheapshotted Wolverine. Logan said he was "throwin' down with the best there is". Shang notices his focus and control rivals that of a samurai and that his savagery does not impair him.

Wolverine was simply better.

Read it again. Wolverine stated he won due to enhancements and because Shang was suprised about how good he was.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is a difference between a plot shield, and actually abilities accomplished legitimately with chi. Anyway: I'm fairly certain must of the Batman/Lobo stuff is non canon, the mini, the one shot and the b&w. Batman told Superman that he must have been subconsciously holding back because if he (Clark) wasn't then he (Bruce) would have been dead. 3-Boot Karate Kid is like Karnak-lite, most high end street MA would have decent odds of taking the majority from him.

An alien who's powers comes from chi, but pick Krillin or Yamcha if you'd like because they are both humans who can bust up planets with chi.

Also the first class also retcons the first meeting of Logan vs Shang I was saving that bit of info last for you.

There is a difference between plot and actual abilities and Batman has accomplished it with legitimate skills. I fairly certain Shang outlier feats don't count as as he never out does the other elites in his matches with them. Bruce has also taken a nasty shot from Grundy to even rolled around with WonderWoman(which is more points for Bruce). Karnak-lite would have decent odds of taking the majority from Shang. So eh.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
LMAO

You have to ask yourself why you constantly distort feats and insult anybody that doesn't agree with you. Anyway think I'm done this is pathetic, Wolverine gets kicked in the face and all of a sudden he doesn't have a HF and super dense bone and he's talking about smart people?

The lengths you will go to distort feats, it's like you're arguing that the world is flat and then insulting anybody that doesn't agree with you.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
LMAO

LOL I see. You don't have any logic. LOL srank reduced to this.

Originally posted by Deadline
I think this is a bit of faulty logic. One time DD stated that he couldn't read Cap and he said the same about Crossbones and his radar sense wasn't working properly. Ironfist stated that Cap was fast but you need to compare Cap without SSS. Cap has non SSS showings which are very impressive and I don't think DD and Ironfist can match them.

Will just have to agree to disagree. Most of the elite have matched Cap's non SSS showings. Yes he said he couldn't read Cap due to his Super Soldier Serum metabolism. A benefit that Steve gets from the SSS enhancement among the many others like enhanced speed and strength. He said the same about Crossbones metabolim your right, but that was probably more due to his Radar/Senses out of wack from his hell arch. Because to my knowledge Crossbones back then wasn't enhanced.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Will just have to agree to disagree. Most of the elite have matched Cap's non SSS showings.

They've been able to take down Giant Man and Yellowjacket while dying and weakened? They've been able to take down peak humans while being 90lbs?

Also the SSS isn't what enables him to TKO guys like Thunderball.

Originally posted by Daredevil1

Yes he said he couldn't read Cap due to his Super Soldier Serum metabolism. A benefit that Steve gets from the SSS. He said the same about Crossbones but that was probably more due to him Radar/Senses out of wack from his hell arch. Because to my knowledge Crossbones back then wasn't enhanced.

Yes my point is that the statement can't be used as proof.

Originally posted by Deadline

The lengths you will go to distort feats, it's like you're arguing that the world is flat and then insulting anybody that doesn't agree with you.

😂 Good one Deadline.

Originally posted by Deadline
Wolverine got flykicked in the face for FFS and was even bleeding. Superhard bones and HF aren't going to be involved there? Wolverine has enhanced reflexes thats not going to come into play. He also had supersharp claws.

Again you're not a genuis otherwise you wouldn't be here, everything you say is correct because you twist everything around.

He got kicked in the face... once... awesome? I guess Zaran, Razorfist and Cat all most have needed healing factors to go shot for shot with Shang-Chi? Seriously, Shang-Chi has spent the majority of his career fighting characters with baseline human durability, and a lot of his fights take the better part of an issue to conclude... you really believe that one kick mattered? Shang-Chi also has enhanced reflexes.

If Wolverine had no powers at all, that fight would have played out exactly the same way, except he would have threatened him claws after he beat him. Wolverine threw a wide kick and forced Shang-Chi's guard with a judo chop. He then flipped over him, caught him in a head lock, flipped him over and slammed him into the ground, pinning his head between the front gate. Now show me, on panel where Wolverine used his powers. I'm not looking for a dialogue box, I'm want you to show me a single panel where anyone of Wolverine's powers would have factored in even slightly.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He got kicked in the face... once... awesome? I guess Zaran, Razorfist and Cat all most have needed healing factors to go shot for shot with Shang-Chi? Seriously, Shang-Chi has spent the majority of his career fighting characters with baseline human durability, and a lot of his fights take the better part of an issue to conclude... you really believe that one kick mattered? Shang-Chi also has enhanced reflexes.

If Wolverine had no powers at all, that fight would have played out exactly the same way, except he would have threatened him claws after he beat him. Wolverine threw a wide kick and forced Shang-Chi's guard with a judo chop. He then flipped over him, caught him in a head lock, flipped him over and slammed him into the ground, pinning his head between the front gate. Now show me, on panel where Wolverine used his powers. I'm not looking for a dialogue box, I'm want you to show me a single panel where anyone of Wolverine's powers would have factored in even slightly.

I'm not even going to bother reading that, just grow up.

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not even going to bother reading that, just grow up.

You mad bro?

Originally posted by Deadline
They've been able to take down Giant Man and Yellowjacket while dying and weakened? They've been able to take down peak humans while being 90lbs?

GM and Yellow jacket are impressive for sure but not something out of the ordinary for the others IMO. I've seen DD fight 100 yakuza all amped with HGH and according to the detective. DD was kicking there butts. Those peak human impressive buts its hard to gauge there skill.

But DD in his body compared to say Hyde and Venom is a 90 lb weakling in comparison and against the other Superhumanes he faces. And DD stalemated Venom and put down Hyde with a pressure point.

Yes my point is that the statement can't be used as proof.

Which statement? Because DD didn't need too read his metabolism to know Steve is faster. Steve passed him by while they were both running in another instance. DD acknowledge it and the art made it clear. And Steve being stronger that's just obvious of course.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You mad bro?

He seems logical. 🙂

He got kicked in the face... once... awesome? I guess Zaran, Razorfist and Cat all most have needed healing factors to go shot for shot with Shang-Chi?

By you logic Zaran and Razor fist would need a healing factor/denser bones before taking a kick from Shang.

Remember Shang can amp to superhuman levels and is enhanced by your logic anyways.

he he he

Love how you all want to pretend shang-chi went in there with normal human stats despite the fact he was directly stated as moving like "lightning". Yes clearly human level reflexes and speed right 🙄

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Also the first class also retcons the first meeting of Logan vs Shang I was saving that bit of info last for you.

There is a difference between plot and actual abilities and Batman has accomplished it with legitimate skills. I fairly certain Shang outlier feats don't count as as he never out does the other elites in his matches with them. Bruce has also taken a nasty shot from Grundy to even rolled around with WonderWoman(which is more points for Bruce). Karnak-lite would have decent odds of taking the majority from Shang. So eh.

First Class doesn't retcon X-Men 62, it just retroactively injects an earlier encounter into their history. You could certainly argue it was odd that neither of them mentioned it, but they only met once (twice if you count Wolverine coming back after) years prior to the events of X-Men 62 for just a few minutes, and Wolverine was in his devolved beast form in the second encounter, so Shang-Chi not recognizing him is understandable.

Shang-Chi rarely fights Marvel "elites." He has spared with Iron Fist, but they've never had a real fight, and he had a brief exchange with Elektra which amounted to very little, and he has to be careful about using his more powerful chi abilities since he doesn't have bottomless source like Iron Fist. He was weakened for a week after he used the Silent Scream. Anyway Shang-Chi accomplishes his more outlandish feats through chi, Batman accomplishes his through a plot shield. One is valid, one isn't.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
He seems logical. 🙂

Originally posted by Deadline

Also the SSS isn't what enables him to TKO guys like Thunderball.

Missed this one. He punched Thunderball in the face had him spout out blood and down him briefly. That is crazy impressive for sure.

DD once threw Cap's shield at Hercules and down him for a good while as well. I never said Cap isn't skilled but DD, Punisher, Bucky, Cable, Ironfist have all noted the advantage Cap enjoys with his enhanced strength and speed.

He has skills for sure. That I won't take away.

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not even going to bother reading that, just grow up.

If you and I are playing baseball, and I say "You've never played against someone with a 100mp fastball!" ... then I strike you with curve ball, what does my hypothetical fastball have to do with what actually happened?