Originally posted by srankmissingnin
lol
Yeah because Logan should be much higher then the rest in just Pure Skill....LOL(Me thinks someone is sore about that)
My rankings is just on skill. No power sets/healings/SSS. Heck most of the time I defend/debate only Steve and Daredevil and yet on my pure skill rankings even I know Steve isn't the most skilled compared to the others, nor DD as I put Shang above even him.
On performance and "power set", I would have Logan first....Cap second. For the Marvel side anyways.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yeah because Logan should be much higher then the rest....LOL(Me thinks someone is sore about that)My rankings is just on skill. No power sets/healings/SSS. Heck most of the time I defend/debate only Steve and Daredevil and yet on my pure skill rankings even I know Steve isn't the most skilled compared to the others, nor DD as I put Shang above even him.
Logan's placement isn't even the worst thing about your list and your DC one is almost bad as the Marvel one.
Shang-Chi and Zaran have both said, or strongly suggest that Captain America is more skilled than Shang-Chi, and Captain America has told Iron Fist to his face that he (Steve) was more skilled than him (Iron Fist). Even without his powers Steve is in the top spot or tied for it.
Shang-Chi is more skilled than Daredevil. Ironfist is more skilled than Daredevil. Captain America is more skilled than Daredevil. Elektra is more skilled than Daredevil. Wolverine is more skilled than Daredevil. Daredevil is more skilled than Black Panther.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Logan's placement isn't even the worst thing about your list and your DC one is almost bad as the Marvel one.Shang-Chi and Zaran have both said, or strongly suggest that Captain America is more skilled than Shang-Chi, and Captain America has told Iron Fist to his face that he (Steve) was more skilled than him (Iron Fist). Even without his powers Steve is in the top spot or tied for it.
Shang-Chi is more skilled than Daredevil. Ironfist is more skilled than Daredevil. Captain America is more skilled than Daredevil. Elektra is more skilled than Daredevil. Wolverine is more skilled than Daredevil. Daredevil is more skilled than Black Panther.
Wrong Zaran said Cap is the greater "fighter". And that I agree with. Cap's power set thanks to the SSS/A-list fighter does indeed make him the greater fighter in my humble opinion. Again srank learn to read.
No he told Ironfist.....Mantis level is not enough. For obvious reasons.
Wolverine would be lucky to be above Black Panther in the pure skill.
Shang and Daredevil have never fought but I do rank Shang above him anyways in pure skill. Danny not so much since there fights have ended in stalemates and DD having the edge in other encounters against Danny.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Wrong Zaran said Cap is the greater "fighter". And that I agree with. Cap's power set thanks to the SSS/A-list fighter does indeed make him the greater fighter in my humble opinion. Again srank learn to read.No he told Ironfist.....Mantis level is not enough. For obvious reasons.
Wolverine would be lucky to be above Black Panther in the pure skill.
Semantics, better fighter means more skilled. No one says better fighter when they really mean "stronger and faster" it simply doesn't have those connotations. Nice attempt to twist things though... I guess.
And the obvious implication of that statement is that Cap is more skilled than Iron Fist.
Wolverine has thrashed Shang-Chi, got Daredevil in a full nelson in three panels, stalemated Stick and told Captain America he was better than him before almost killing poor ol' Steve with a pressure point. He's better than Panther, he's better than Daredevil.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Semantics, better fighter means more skilled. No one says better fighter when they really mean "stronger and faster" it simply doesn't have those connotations. Nice attempt to twist things though... I guess.And the obvious implication of that statement is that Cap is more skilled than Iron Fist.
Wolverine has thrashed Shang-Chi, got Daredevil in a full nelson in three panels, stalemated Stick and told Captain America he was better than him before almost killing poor ol' Steve with a pressure point. He's better than Panther, he's better than Daredevil.
Yeah for power set you logic works. For pure skill it doesn't. Better fighter does not mean more skilled.
So I guess Superman is a better fighter then Cap.....LOL
I see you ignore Wolverines power set and translate it all skill....LOL.
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Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yeah for power set you logic works. For pure skill it doesn't. Better fighter does not mean more skilled.
Better fighter means more skilled. What do you think it means? Christ.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
So I guess Superman is a better fighter then Cap.....LOL
Apparently he is according to your definition of the word where better fighter somehow means "superior physically specimen." dur
If a character is a "better fighter" then they are better a fighting, if they are better a fight then they are more skilled at fighting, if they are more skilled at fighting then they are a more skilled fighter. Stop eating lead paint.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I see you ignore Wolverines power set and translate it all skill....LOL.
No need to ignore Wolverine's powers, outside of the Cap one they didn't come into play in any of the instances I mentioned. He was just plain better.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Accept he doesn't show more skill then the rest of the Marvel Elites. He's lucky for his powerful power set.
He's the only Marvel MA who has successfully executed a pressure point effectively in battle against Captain America, he is the only Marvel MA who has effortlessly pawned Shang-Chi and he has Karnak level pressure point feats. Wolverine has the best feats of application of raw skill of any street level MA in Marvel or DC.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Better fighter means more skilled. What do you think it means? Christ.
Oh and means skill? Better fighter Steve is. Let see
Enhancement...check
Super Soldier....check
A-list skills....check
Incredible weapon as Commander Rogers...check
Incredible offensive/defensive shield as Cap...check
He is the better fighter because of all that. Being a better fighter is not the same as being the more skillful martial artist.
Apparently he is according to your definition of the word where better fighter somehow means "superior physically specimen."If a character is a "better fighter" then they are better a fighting, if they are better a fight then they are more skilled at fighting, if they are more skilled at fighting then they are a more skilled fighter. Stop eating lead paint.
No need to ignore Wolverine's powers, outside of the Cap one they didn't come into play in any of the instances I mentioned. He was just plain better.
Yes better because he's enhanced and the combination with his skill.
To say that Logan is more skilled in the arts in comparison to the likes of Danny, Shang, and yes even Daredevil is laughable.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He's the only Marvel MA who has successfully executed a pressure point effectively in battle against Captain America, he is the only Marvel MA who has effortlessly pawned Shang-Chi and he has Karnak level pressure point feats. Wolverine has the best feats of application of raw skill of any street level MA in Marvel or DC.
Thank god even the marvel idiot staffers don't agree with you. Or we'd all be screwed.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Oh and means skill? Better fighter Steve is. Let seeEnhancement...check
Super Soldier....check
A-list skills....check
Incredible weapon as Commander Rogers...check
Incredible offensive/defensive shield as Cap...check
He is the better fighter because of all that. Being a better fighter is not the same as being the more skillful martial artist.
None of what you said is relevant. When someone says that Silva is the number one P4P fighter in the world, they mean is he the most skilled fighter in MMA. That's what it means, better fighter means more skilled, it doesn't mean stronger, it doesn't mean faster, it means better fighter.
Captain America is a more skilled fighter than Shang-chi, Daredevil or Iron Fist.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes better because he's enhanced and the combination with his skill.
No. If Character A is more skilled but another Character B is stronger, Character B isn't considered a better fighter, he is considered stronger. The word fighter has no connotations of strength, it is about about fighting ability/prowess which are just synonyms for skill.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
To say that Logan is more skilled in the arts in comparison to the likes of Danny, Shang, and yes even Daredevil is laughable.
And yet he is. Would you like me to help you find your local comic shop so you can pick up some back issues and be knowledgeable the next time you want to post?