He was fueling himself with rage- the dark side. Read Fightsaber or this.
I've heard before that Anakin during his fight with Dooku, was channeling more force power, both light and dark, that he was likened to a thermonuclear furnace?
Or are you saying Anakin was fueling himself with the darkside during his fight with dooku? Either way ill read the link.
Oh also, does vaapad have a limit for how much dark side energy it can channel/reflect use against the opponent? If so would mace's vaapad become overwhelemed by some one whos darkside energy is infinite or too much for him to handle?
Yes...or am I mistaken? There were several people in this thread who quoted the rots novel? And the quote was of Dooku describing anakin during the fight with him on the invisible hand....how anakin was growing stronger and faster every second, and was tapping so much force energy he was like a thermonuclear furnace going super critical?
Originally posted by Board Walker
both light and dark
He won by using his rage. This wouldn't work against a Vaapad user.
Oh also, does vaapad have a limit for how much dark side energy it can channel/reflect use against the opponent? If so would mace's vaapad become overwhelemed by some one whos darkside energy is infinite or too much for him to handle?
I assume so. In the case of Palpatine and Windu, Windu had a limit as to the energy he reflected, whereas Palpatine used the pain for more energy.
Thermonuclear furnace?
Metaphor.
Originally posted by Shoes
Prove it. Stronger attacks do not translate into an advantage. In fact, the Djem So practitioner would be at a disadvantage, and would require force-reserves of Anakin or Bane's caliber to be able to keep up with such a physically demanding form.
Non-canon because Anakin wasn't there in the film.
I was reading the link you gave me and I came across some thing interesting for Juyo
"Predictably, he seeks to unbalance you with his erratic attacks. His technique is called Juyo, the most chaotic of the lightsaber forms. This form sacrifices much to bolster offense, leaving one exposed to attack by the Force."
¯Kreia[src]
Does this mean Juyo/Vaapad users are particularly vulnerable to force attacks, force emphasized combat styles?
Originally posted by ares834
No. Shien was developed to blcok blasterfire, Djem So is a variation of Shien that focuses less on blaster fire deflection and more on saber combat. Logically it would be superiro in a lightsaber fight. Granted I don't think it would be a major advantage but it gives the Djem So user a slight advantage.True.
As was Soresu, so Djem So would have the advantage there too, no? So then why did Soresu prevail on Mustafar?
Originally posted by Board Walker
How come not vaapad? I don't see vaapad any more superior to any other form.
Exactly what else is left to say to this other than, "No, you're wrong. Vaapad is better. Deal with it." ?
I've not seen any canonical source state "vaapad is better" or superior to the other forms. The only statement Ive seen is that its the most deadly of the forms, that is all.
So why you would you state Vaapad is better then all other forms, and that I am blatantly wrong, is some thing I question. As all of this is opinion, and no where is it stated in canon that vaapad is the superior form of all the forms. Or am I mistaken and it is?
Originally posted by Shoes
As was Soresu, so Djem So would have the advantage there too, no? So then why did Soresu prevail on Mustafar?
Originally posted by Board Walker
I was reading the link you gave me and I came across some thing interesting for Juyo"Predictably, he seeks to unbalance you with his erratic attacks. His technique is called Juyo, the most chaotic of the lightsaber forms. This form sacrifices much to bolster offense, leaving one exposed to attack by the Force."
¯Kreia[src]Does this mean Juyo/Vaapad users are particularly vulnerable to force attacks, force emphasized combat styles?
Originally posted by Board Walker
I've not seen any canonical source state "vaapad is better" or superior to the other forms. The only statement Ive seen is that its the most deadly of the forms, that is all.So why you would you state Vaapad is better then all other forms, and that I am blatantly wrong, is some thing I question. As all of this is opinion, and no where is it stated in canon that vaapad is the superior form of all the forms. Or am I mistaken and it is?
Her voice echoed inside him: Nothing is more dangerous than a Jedi who's finally sane, but he said only-'She is a master of Vaapad."
In the silence that followed, he studied the folds and wrinkles of his interlaced fingers, focusing his attention into his visual field to hold at bay dark dream-ghosts of Depa's blade flashing toward Jedi necks.
"Vaapad?" Palpatine repeated, eventually. Perhaps he'd grown tired of waiting for someone to explain. "Isn't that some kind of animal?"
"A predator of Sarapin," Yoda supplied gravely. "Also the nickname it is, given by students, for the seventh form of lightsaber combat."
"Hmp. I've always heard there are only six."
"Six there were, for generations of Jedi. The seventh... is not well known. A powerful form it is. Deadliest of all... But dangerous it is-to its master, as well as its opponent. Few have studied. One student alone to mastery has risen."
"But if she's the only master-and this style is so deadly-what makes you think-"
"She's not the only master, sir." He lifted his head to meet Palpatine's frown. "She is my only student to become a master."
"Your only student..." Palpatine echoed.
"I didn't study Vaapad." Mace let his hands fall to his sides. "I created it."
Here, we see that A) Vaapad is the deadliest lightsaber form, and B) Juyo was an incomplete form.
If Vaapad is the deadliest lightsaber form, it has the best chance to kill it's opponent. What more are you looking for when you say 'superior form' ? If Vaapad can kill another being faster than, say, Makashi can, then it is the superior form.
Originally posted by Enyalus
If Vaapad can kill another being faster than, say, Makashi can, then it is the superior form.
Originally posted by ShoesYet Palpatine is the one who gave out first, not Mace...
I assume so. In the case of Palpatine and Windu, Windu had a limit as to the energy he reflected, whereas Palpatine used the pain for more energy.
Originally posted by mattatomI guess you can say it, but that doesn't make it true.
You could say that about any form though afterall. Deadly=/=Superior. Though Deadliest="Most capable of causing death" though with a weapon such as a lightsaber, does that really matter?
Despite the opinions being thrown around in this thread, there are levels of superiority where lightsaber combat is concerned.... And Vaapad is at the top of that list. Canon fact.