Originally posted by quanchi112
Different experiences, different mindset, different Links, different ganondorfs.
Same exact powers.
In these threads Dorf can die outside the master sword. When he is sitting there at the mercy of his opponent he will be done in. If you sit there defenseless and unable to defend yourself you get killed.
Yeah, he can die and revive himself like he does all the freaking time, and 4 times in Twilight Princess. 5 kills. Quick succession. That is the only way for the Hylden Lord, or anyone else, to win at this point. Ganondorf was never unable to defend himself when he had the Triforce of Power.
Again, we don't see the triforce symbol lighting up for these other moments because he wasn't mortally wounded like against the sages or against Link.
Because getting reduced to particles and splattered all over the room isn't a mortal wound now? Or having your entire body destroyed? The Triforce lights up at dramatically appropriate moments. It's lit up while he talks, does that mean he's dying?
Dorf would be killed in a forum fight against the sages had they pressed him. Here you can kill the opponent outside plot devices and what not and all you have to do it mortally wound him and it takes time for the power to bring him back into the fight. The Hylden Lord would tear him apart.
No, he wouldn't, and you're actively bashing Ganondorf at this point. The Sages couldn't hurt him at all, that's why they needed the mirror. I have repeatedly stated and even posted videos that prove that it does not take significant time for Ganondorf to revive. The Hylden Lord would have to kill him 5 times to win, and he can't even do it once.
It's not an unbacked claim I didn't put up the link but I copy and pasted exactly what she said.
Copy and pasting without a link is still not backing your claim. Back your claim, or it does not exist.
Kain wasn't trying to kill Raziel and ripping his heart out would have killed anyone else. he also thought he did kill Kain and was possessed at the time so please don't act as if you actually know about the circumstances since it's obvious you don't here.
That isn't apparent. Raziel wasn't possessed, he was being influenced by the Hylden, in addition to being absorbed by the reaver, right after getting his ass kicked. If a severely weakened Raziel that is getting his soul drained can still nearly kill a healthy Kain, it doesn't bode well for Kain.
See, I can do research.
Raziel had free will and his actions still didn't stop Kain. No one in zelda has free will and dorf always loses.
Raziel was barely trying to stop Kain, and spared him at the moment Kain was destined to die. Raziel's incompetence does not make Kain look any better.
I'd love to see you prove that Zelda characters don't have free will. The only one a case could be made for is Link, being a tool for the goddesses. You haven't beaten OoT yet, so I'll let that one slide, suffice to say that you're severely wrong.
It's different dorfs so who cares. It's not like he learns from his mistakesand is the same one each time Dorf loses so who cares. The funny thing is in tp he didn't even know what the master sword was. he was completely off guard against the sword designed to beat him so according to bad guys and intelligence this guy is about as dumb and as unprepared as they get. In tp he was completely stupid and beaten every which way.
Is Twilight Princess and OoT the only games you've played? Because it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Why, if he doesn't learn, did Ganondorf systematically kidnap every girl resembling Zelda in Wind Waker? Why did he remove the source of the Master Sword's power, making it useless? Why, pray tell, did allow Link to draw the Master Sword, thus removing the only thing keeping Ganondorf's power sealed away?
Stop embarrassing yourself. You know full well that TP Ganondorf had never even heard of the Master Sword. You know what he did do, though? He broke the Mirror of Twilight, which was what caused him to lose in the first place.
He will always lose and they aren't the same ones and he never gets any better and is always destined to be a loser.
Again, stop embarassing yourself with this blatant ignorance. Learn about the subject if you want to talk about it. I guarantee it will help you.
Ok, that's not the same as having his heart ripped out which was the sole reason he became a vampire in the first place. he's the scion of balance so he can survive minus his heart.
You've yet to prove that being the scion of balance does anything, nor have you addressed the fact that all the other guardians had to die to restore their pillars. And Ariel, the murdered balance guardian, why could she be killed again?
Yes, it really did. If it didn't take him time he would have broken out instantly but he didn't until we saw the symbol light up he was just sitting there completely helpless.
You're ignoring evidence again. I posted the videos that show Ganondorf reviving very quickly. Now are you still going on about the Sages, and ignoring the fact that Ganondorf didn't have the Triforce of Power until after they stabbed him?
Why wasn't Kain able to defeat those common assassins that killed him?
Dorf is superior to her but in all of his battles on screen prior to in this game he didn't show anywhere near castle level destroying power.
Neither did she. Ganondorf has shown the power in other games, which is still the Triforce of Power.
Not. At. All. The soulreaver is more formidable against any threat.
All of Link's threats are evil, so he's fine. Master Sword's stronger, Reaver's more versatile, as NemeBro says.
Soulreaver makes you unkillable the master sword doesn't. Soulreaver can take your soul the master sword cannot. It's not even a contest nor has it ever been which sword is greater in these games.
No limits fallacy and hyperbole.
Which game does the master sword let you travel in time other than oot?
Yes, Twilight Princess, and in Wind Waker it stopped time, sealed off all of Ganondorf's army, and shattered a massive barrier around Ganon's tower.
Ganon couldn't tie Kain's left boostrap. Seriously, it's a noncontest between these two. I see ganon as a junior varisty player while Kain is the varsity captain. He has been around for thousands of years with entire armies after him an dyet he comes out on top whereas Dorf loses to kids, different Links, and hasn't I bet ruled for at least 100 years. He ruled in oot for 7 years.
And, yet you thought they were comparable in the beginning of the TP vs. Defiance thread, now you think Ganondorf's a weakling? Ganondorf has been around for thousands of years and created his own army from thin air, and crushed all opposition that wasn't using his bane. Now you seriously need to play Wind Waker. He came back while Link was away and razed Hyrule to the ground. He ruled for over 100 years before the Gods themselves flooded the planet to stop him.
Read that again. Link wasn't available, so the Gods had to step in and drown the world, and they still couldn't stop Ganondorf from coming back. And when he did come back? He destroyed the source of the Master Sword's power, the one thing that could've stopped him.
No, it's stated in the game you cannot be beaten with the reaver unless you have the nexus stone.
No limits fallacy, no evidence for this. How did Raziel rip Kain's heart out, then?
It's stated in Zelda games that you can't beat Ganon without the Master Sword. And in OoT they weren't even planning on killing him, they were just going to imprison him, because they knew they lacked the power to destroy him.
Yeah, because nothing can stop Ganondorf. Not even Gods. Only the Master Sword has the power to put him away.
This dorf has been around for thousands of years yet he doesn't know what the master sword is?
No, weren't you paying any attention? He spent that time in the Twilight Realm.
It's always some hero who sometimes is a kid or who grows up in a temple for 7 years.
This is so ridiculously wrong that it's hilarious. OoT was the only time that happened, and do you know anything about Link's reincarnation?
It shows how formidable and how competent the character is. If someone rules for 7 years they were a blip on the radar o fhistory whereas if they rule for thousands of years it's because they curbstomped that world into submission and no one in that amount of time was man enough to defeat them.
No. Just no. Try repeatedly crushing all resistance and ruling. Try winning so hard that Gods have to step in to make you lose, and you still pull a draw. How long Ganondorf did something is irrelevant. His impact on the world is much, much bigger than Kain's.
This isn't in the game and only in hyrule can you only kill him with the master sword that's like saying the Living Tribunal couldn't kill him and he can destroy galaxies with a thought.
Double standard. The Living Tribunal would solo Kain, Raziel, the Hylden Lord and all of LoK, but you're still claiming that whoever holds the Reaver can't be beaten.