Originally posted by ScreamPasteNo, he doesn't have a single strength feat to his name. I mean you ca make a case for Bo based on the boots against the Gorons with the strength you feel this proves.
I lol'd. You realise ofcourse that Link in TP is so much stronger than either of those characters are to be a hilarious comparison?
Originally posted by quanchi112
It lights up when he referred to his power or when he accessed it. It is similar to him doing so when he needed to both times he was fatally wounded.
So his body being destroyed isn't fatal because the Triforce of Power didn't light up? So what do you think happened?
Gameplay or boss fights isn't comparable to damage soak. Link stabs him in the heart he dies but in the game he doesn't do so until you defeat the various boss fights not how it goes on a forum fight.
When did I say anything about gameplay or boss fights? Ganondorf's damage soak in cutscene is still far superior to the Hylden Lord.
In this game it lite up when he used it or accessed it. That's exactly how it works.
So he didn't access it when he transformed? Then what did he do?
I do get it he can still access it without having to die but when he is fatally wounded he needs to in order to preserve his life.
Then why didn't he use it when his body was destroyed? Did he survive that on his own?
Both these two characters have a lot more staying power than someone who loses to a character with a few weeks of training and no superhuman abilities at all. Both characters would maul Dorf.
You're still severely underestimating Link, the Master Sword, and the Triforce of Courage. Don't you remember when Zelda herself said Link had special powers?
Hylden Lord can kill him with his sword so it is relevant.
No, Zant possibly rejecting Ganondorf is not relevant to the Hylden Lord. That is what I was saying.
Not my fault you aren't aware of their history it is yours.
It is your fault if you repeatedly refuse to post the scan/link.
This theory of yours has no backing nor does it even make any sense. Kain survived because he was the scion and has killed in the demon realm so it makes no sense at all.
It kept him alive long enough to recover.
Raziel had free will so fate didn't matter to him. Think. He ripped out his heart and felt Kain was dead but this wasn't enough to kill Kain. It fooled Moebius and the eg.
Because Kain wasn't fated to die there and fate interviened because Raziel didn't use a Reacer Paradox.
She answered the question why would she leave out the demon realm part if that kept him alive? he also left there immediately so why would he remain alive?
How do I know you didn't leave it out when you quoted her without a link? You have no evidence she said any of that. Also, he didn't leave immediately. He was asleep or dead for quite a while before getting up.
You see him destroy the demons in there.
They could reform.
We also see him destroy hylden who are from the demon realm as does he kill the Hylden Lord, genius. Hahahahaha, I guess Hylden Lord wins because he's unkillable according to you.
It let Kain survive long enough to recover and survive on his own, as I said before. Once he left, he could die, just like the Hylden Lord.
Yes, it does seem you have no idea what a plot device is which is not entirely shocking since you you get into prolonged debates over characters you know little to nothing on yet argue till your blue in the face against anyways. Both or all items do whatever the plot requires. The power triforce prolongs his life because it needs to due to the injuries he has sustained.
Please define plot device; I want to know what definition you're using. If that's it, everything ever is a plot device, and you're using it wrong.
I have already told you about him manhandling an ancient vampire like a child yet you want to act as if he isn't strong?
Please prove that Janos is strong. You still haven't proven that the Hylden Lord is durable.
Really?
Really what?
I posted the interview multiple times you are just being hardheaded.
You didn't post the link. Your word, and that quote, is worthless without that link. Where did you supposedly copy it from?
Where does it state Kain was alive due to him being in the demon realm?
Where does it say it directly kept him alive?
I doubt it. You took the zelda games out of context and don't understand how these characters are portrayed so I can only imagine how you'd misinterpret the lok games.
Jeez, that's harsh. You're not a very happy person, are you?
Do you know he was in the eternal prison and did his heart make him the vampire he was?
Why would that matter if he was already a vampire? Don't forget that Kain has consumed countless fake hearts of darkness.
I won the debate.
Your arrogance is astounding.
Believe what you want I hardly care.
Shall I take that as a concession?
I already have and Dorf's destiny is to always lose against every hero he faces basically.
The Hylden Lord isn't a hero, nor does that matter here. Nor is it accurate.
I have used various examples throughout this thread. Soulreaver has killed many, hurt eg, killed Hylden Lord, William the Just, etc.
And not a shred of evidence, like a video or something. You haven't proven that those guys are durable, either.
This guy is smarter as he broke apart the guardians and weakened the realm which took a lot of planning to even break the plane then beat Kain and held rule for a few hundred years while Dorf lost to a kid with little training and hardly any help against an entire army against him.
And this matters against the Hylden Lord how? One on one? And you're still underestimating Link, the Master Sword, and the Triforce of Courage.
Reading through the thread theres still nothing that proves Ganon has any real advantages at all over the hylden lord who still has just as if not faster teleport and a better weapon that will permanently kill Ganon. Even if Ganon somehow defeated the lord, he gets possessed. End of story any direction for Ganon.
Amy Herring says "his nature as the scion of balance allows him to survive", I do not see anywhere that the Demon dimension makes anyone invulerable to death. Immortality is something the vampires already possessed, it was quite a major event as its what drove the orignal vamps mad as the EG left them as he could not feed on their immortal souls (as their souls did not leave their bodies through natural cycle).
I have Jet lag and am tired so I wont stat any long term debating for a few days or so.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You forgot about the part where he lacks the strength to do anything to Ganon at all.
False, Dorf has no evidence of any"super" durability and Strength irrelevant anyway as the soul reaver attacks the soul, not the physical form. Something Dorf has no resistance to.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Ganondorf uses Twilight Magick to render Hylden Lord harmless.Arguments disproving this tactic please?
When did he do this? if your refering to little twilight blasts like Zants its hardly quick enough and humans have moved through it, touch it without harm etc. However you think Ganondorf can call down twilight (not sure how he does or if he can) its not going to work in fractions of a second when teleportation will be the major movement in this fight.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtNo, I'm referring to when Zant was able to merge entire regions with the Twilight realm. 🙂
When did he do this? if your refering to little twilight blasts like Zants its hardly quick enough and humans have moved through it, touch it without harm etc. However you think Ganondorf can call down twilight (not sure how he does or if he can) its not going to work in fractions of a second when teleportation will be the major movement in this fight.
Unless the Lord teleports completely out of the region before this occurs, he will not avoid it, and then he loses by default, since he, you know, ran away.
Originally posted by Burning thought
False, Dorf has no evidence of any"super" durability and Strength irrelevant anyway as the soul reaver attacks the soul, not the physical form. Something Dorf has no resistance to.
Ganondorf's durability is better than the Hylden Lord's. Why you keep saying that Ganondorf has no soul resistence when there is evidence to the contrary?
When did he do this? if your refering to little twilight blasts like Zants its hardly quick enough and humans have moved through it, touch it without harm etc. However you think Ganondorf can call down twilight (not sure how he does or if he can) its not going to work in fractions of a second when teleportation will be the major movement in this fight. [/B]
As NemeBro said, covering regions. And how much longer will you cling to some soldiers barely brushing a small cloud as an argument against twilight? They never ran through it at all, they barely made any casual contact. Not the same as full immersion in twilight.
And do nothing other than spiritualise mortals or to be more specific peasants. Soldiers can resist it.
You dont lose if you fleefrom a single attack, unless you BFR yourself and cannot return. Neither Dorf or Zant can do this on the fly and before a teleport/slash could kill them anyway. Zant invaded hyrule and defeated Zelda and her soldiers before he could use any regional twilight. Iirc it even took a moment or so for the twilight to form and a few moments longer for the peasants to be affected.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Ganondorf's durability is better than the Hylden Lord's. Why you keep saying that Ganondorf has no soul resistence when there is evidence to the contrary?As NemeBro said, covering regions. And how much longer will you cling to some soldiers barely brushing a small cloud as an argument against twilight? They never ran through it at all, they barely made any casual contact. Not the same as full immersion in twilight.
There is none, unless your claiming him using some kind of spiritual power makes him immune to anothers power just because he uses it, I think someone made that daft argument in one thread. His durability? not really, hes sliced by swords and so is the hylden Lord.
I will cling to it because its a fine point, its top feat is transforming basic humans and peasants and soldiers have run through it, the twilight floating past them as they run and going into melee with a shadowbeast while in the twilight making it evident that its not this "one shot defeat" no limit fallacy your trying to make it out to be.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtOh? Can they? Funny, I guess the countless soldiers trapped in the Twilight Realm and helpless in Hyrule Castle were all just my imagination.
And do nothing other than spiritualise mortals or to be more specific peasants. Soldiers can resist it.You dont lose if you fleefrom a single attack, unless you BFR yourself and cannot return. Neither Dorf or Zant can do this on the fly and before a teleport/slash could kill them anyway. Zant invaded hyrule and defeated Zelda and her soldiers before he could use any regional twilight. Iirc it even took a moment or so for the twilight to form and a few moments longer for the peasants to be affected.
He cannot return without losing though.
Teleport? You mean one of Ganondorf's oldest tricks in the book? Even Zant could instantly teleport.
You see, this is why you should either actually play the game, or at least have the common decency to research before you make a claim. The only reason why Zant did not immediately pull Hyrule into the Twilight Realm is because the Light Spirits made that impossible, Zant had to subdue all of them first before he could do so. Once he did, he could immediately pull a region into the Twilight Realm.
Also, Zant alone had enough TK to overpower a Light Spirit while restraining Link and Midna. Ganondorf could easily hold the Lord in place.
Or just did not resist as resistance is not immunity.
You will have to prove Ganon can keep twilight there permanently. Also your claiming he can create twilight without the excistence of the twilight realm which is not in this matchup afaik.
So? does not negate Hylden lords.
Still evidence that they cannot do it right away...
Thats crap TK, the only one thats strong at all is when he smashes the lightspirit. And your forgetting TK again, assuming the Hylden lord cant just dematerialise and possess he kills himself just so he can possess Ganondorf. Or just teleport/slashes him.
Ganons only answer to that so far is attempting to teleport to escape the attack.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Or just did not resist as resistance is not immunity.You will have to prove Ganon can keep twilight there permanently. Also your claiming he can create twilight without the excistence of the twilight realm which is not in this matchup afaik.
So? does not negate Hylden lords.
Still evidence that they cannot do it right away...
Thats crap TK, the only one thats strong at all is when he smashes the lightspirit. And your forgetting TK again, assuming the Hylden lord cant just dematerialise and possess he kills himself just so he can possess Ganondorf. Or just teleport/slashes him.
Ganons only answer to that so far is attempting to teleport to escape the attack.
Nothing the Hylden lord has will achieve anything. He can run away, if Ganon lets him, but nothing more. Ganon is better in every category. You can stop your trolling whenever.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Or just did not resist as resistance is not immunity.
3:30-3:55, now stop that.
You will have to prove Ganon can keep twilight there permanently. Also your claiming he can create twilight without the excistence of the twilight realm which is not in this matchup afaik.
What? It stays there until something actively gets rid of it, something the Hylden Lord can't do. And it's twilight magic, unless you're trying to disallow an explicit ability?
So? does not negate Hylden lords.
And it also doesn't negate Ganondorf's.
Still evidence that they cannot do it right away...
0:25-0:40, the moment the Light Spirit is gone, twilight appears.
Thats crap TK, the only one thats strong at all is when he smashes the lightspirit. And your forgetting TK again, assuming the Hylden lord cant just dematerialise and possess he kills himself just so he can possess Ganondorf. Or just teleport/slashes him.
Can you show the Hylden Lord TKing anything better than that? He can't possess Ganondorf because of his resistence. Ganondorf could possess the Hylden Lord, though. Ganondorf could also just teleport slash the Hylden Lord.
Ganons only answer to that so far is attempting to teleport to escape the attack.
Twilight mist and/or spirit form. And, of course, teleporting.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
GJ not playing the game, BT, the only people in the entire game who display resistance are Link, Ganon, and Zelda, and y'know what? They all have a piece of the triforce.Nothing the Hylden lord has will achieve anything. He can run away, if Ganon lets him, but nothing more. Ganon is better in every category. You can stop your trolling whenever.
And human soldiers in several cases, on the flip side the only beings its ever worked on are peasants who did not have any idea what was going on.
One good reaver slash is all he needs to achieve victory, so hes not likely to do much else.
The biggest troll tells me to stop trolling? 😆 delicious irony
Originally posted by The Scenario
YouTube video3:30-3:55, now stop that.
What? It stays there until something actively gets rid of it, something the Hylden Lord can't do. And it's twilight magic, unless you're trying to disallow an explicit ability?
And it also doesn't negate Ganondorf's.
0:25-0:40, the moment the Light Spirit is gone, twilight appears.
Can you show the Hylden Lord TKing anything better than that? He can't possess Ganondorf because of his resistence. Ganondorf could possess the Hylden Lord, though. Ganondorf could also just teleport slash the Hylden Lord.
Twilight mist and/or spirit form. And, of course, teleporting.
Youve just proven that one character (did not look like the soldiers in other vids so I dont know who he is, there could be a specific storyline reason for his circumstance that your pulling over my eyes. Regardless, if thats a normal man, then thats so far the peak of its power, assuming it can affect those who know whats going on and are attacking Zant/Ganon like those in the TP intro kinda did.
"Twilight magic" as you seem to want to label it looks simply alike to the twilight realms smokey hue. And prove it remains, I have not seen it remaining for a long time, e.g. the intro to TP shows Zant launching twilight at soldiers, it transforms them and remains for a short time and then when Zant walks through to Zelda, all the twilight dust is gone.
Once it was recently cast into the world perhaps, but as I keep saying, the beginning intro to TP shows it taking some time to start, and yet more time to transform characters etc. Time Ganondorf does not have.
😆 you keep mentioning these resistances, to mind control, soul powers and apprently now posession but you can never prove these claims can you? and I never said the hylden lord could TK, certainly not well. And vice versa.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Youve just proven that one character (did not look like the soldiers in other vids so I dont know who he is, there could be a specific storyline reason for his circumstance that your pulling over my eyes. Regardless, if thats a normal man, then thats so far the peak of its power, assuming it can affect those who know whats going on and are attacking Zant/Ganon like those in the TP intro kinda did.
Do you know why it didn't look like the the other soldiers? Because that's what a soldier looks like when he's actually immersed in twilight. Midna even said he was a soldier. I've told you before that those other guys just touched it for a fraction of a second; they never entered it like that guy did. Why could you possibly think I'm trying to trick you? You're just clinging to something that doesn't actually exist.
"Twilight magic" as you seem to want to label it looks simply alike to the twilight realms smokey hue. And prove it remains, I have not seen it remaining for a long time, e.g. the intro to TP shows Zant launching twilight at soldiers, it transforms them and remains for a short time and then when Zant walks through to Zelda, all the twilight dust is gone.
Me? I didn't say it was magic first. If you want to argue that, you could take it up with Zelda:
0:45-1:00, preferably. "What binds him is a different magic than what transformed him when he first entered the curtain of twilight. It is an evil power"
Or you could take it up with Midna:
1:09, about. "This thing is the embodiment of the evil magic that Zant cast on you. It's definitely different from our tribe's shadow magic..."(Her tribe's magic is the Fused Shadows, just so you know)
Hell, you could take that one to Zant:
Around 1:40, "This power is granted to me by my god! It is the magic of the King of Twilight and you will respect it!"
Also, that shows what you know. The scene where Zant takes Hyrule is not the intro of Twilight Princess. It'd be a little difficult to prove that the twilight lasts so long, simply because it does last so long. Twilight does not disperse until Link collects the Tears of Light needed to revive the Light Spirit so they can drive it away.
Here, you can watch 9 minutes of Link running around in twilight hunting for Tears of Light. Just a heads up, the video ends before Link finishes. I could post the second video, which also consists of 9 minutes of pure twilight, but this post is already video heavy.
Ah, what the hell, here's 9 more minutes of nothing but twilight.
Once it was recently cast into the world perhaps, but as I keep saying, the beginning intro to TP shows it taking some time to start, and yet more time to transform characters etc. Time Ganondorf does not have.
Again, not the intro, but let's watch it again, just make sure.
2:11, whoa, twilight cloud. That didn't even take a whole second.
2:20, a couple guys barely brush the cloud.
2:23, a guy touches it for a split second.
2:38, woo, tiny cloud is gone, now for the big one.
3:54, the big one. That covers all of Hyrule and takes less than 4 seconds.
😆 you keep mentioning these resistances, to mind control, soul powers and apprently now posession but you can never prove these claims can you? and I never said the hylden lord could TK, certainly not well. And vice versa.
Yeah, the Fused Shadows/Mirror Shards do it all, huh? You remember the effects those things had, right? Oh, like Darbus, you remember him? Just touching one of those things transformed him into a monster, took over his mind, and possessed him.
Try, 3:55, about.
And you remember sweet little Yeta? One look at a Mirror Shard and she turned into that possessed ice monster Blizzeta.
0:45.
Of course, Ganondorf shattered the Mirror of Twilight offscreen, but we know it was him.
From the beginning to about 1:20.
"You seek it...but the Mirror of Twilight has been fragmented by mighty magic. That magic is a dark power only he possesses...
His name is...Ganondorf.
And you remember him crushing the Fused Shadows, right? It was a rather epic scene.
0:28, if you forgot.
And if you didn't say TK, who did? Oh, right, it was you:
Originally posted by Burning Thought
Thats crap TK, the only one thats strong at all is when he smashes the lightspirit. And your forgetting TK again, assuming the Hylden lord cant just dematerialise and possess he kills himself just so he can possess Ganondorf. Or just teleport/slashes him.
NemeBro told you about Zant's TK, and then you told him he forgot about TK. That's just odd, unless you meant that he forgot the Hylden Lord's TK, which is what you were saying there.
Have fun watching 50+ minutes of pure, goddamned evidence.
Originally posted by Burning thought1. Now that I actually see the video you are talking about, what the hell are you talking about? Take a look at the difference between when the cloud is blown in, and when Hyrule becomes pulled into the Twilight Realm. One was a cloud. The other consisted of the atmosphere being rendered to a darker, yellowish shade with Twilight matter floating around. The cloud was just to summon those monsters, not pull Hyrule into the Twilight Realm. Seriously, Zant, whose power is a mere fraction of Ganondorf's, was able to pull the country of Hyrule into another dimension. Feats from the Lord to compare please?
Or just did not resist as resistance is not immunity.You will have to prove Ganon can keep twilight there permanently. Also your claiming he can create twilight without the excistence of the twilight realm which is not in this matchup afaik.
So? does not negate Hylden lords.
Still evidence that they cannot do it right away...
Thats crap TK, the only one thats strong at all is when he smashes the lightspirit. And your forgetting TK again, assuming the Hylden lord cant just dematerialise and possess he kills himself just so he can possess Ganondorf. Or just teleport/slashes him.
Ganons only answer to that so far is attempting to teleport to escape the attack.
2. The **** is this? He merges the two dimensions, and it stays that way until Link, who is not affected by the Twilight Realm due to holding the Triforce of Courage, had to return the Light Spirits to power in order to separate the two realms. So yeah, it is permanent.
3. Actually it kinda does, both can teleport, so Lord's teleport does not give him the advantage you believe it does.
4. Point out the evidence they cannot do it right away. It took effect the moment Lanayru was defeated.
5. It's better TK than the Lord's (Or Kain's 🙂 ) and it shows that he could restrain him. Possess Ganondorf? Because Ganondorf has never shown to do that before, right? 😐 Not to mention Ganondorf was able to easily destroy the Fused Shadows and the Twilight Mirror, all possessing the power to possess any who come in contact with him. Ganondorf would also have the same soul protection Link does, comes with holding a piece of the Triforce.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteWhile in ball form and guess what Link can't punch anywhere near as hard as they do and can only do so while they are in ball form with his boots making it a gear induced feat, sport. Feel the burn.
Tell that to Dangoro, who Link tossed around like a Ragdoll while he was still weak. haermm
Originally posted by The ScenarioHe reformed and it's obvious he wasn't in any real danger unless we are speaking of the sages and Link incidents where he either died or was brought back by the triforce of power.
So his body being destroyed isn't fatal because the Triforce of Power didn't light up? So what do you think happened?When did I say anything about gameplay or boss fights? Ganondorf's damage soak in cutscene is still far superior to the Hylden Lord.
So he didn't access it when he transformed? Then what did he do?
Then why didn't he use it when his body was destroyed? Did he survive that on his own?
You're still severely underestimating Link, the Master Sword, and the Triforce of Courage. Don't you remember when Zelda herself said Link had special powers?
No, Zant possibly rejecting Ganondorf is not relevant to the Hylden Lord. That is what I was saying.
It is your fault if you repeatedly refuse to post the scan/link.
It kept him alive long enough to recover.
Because Kain wasn't fated to die there and fate interviened because Raziel didn't use a Reacer Paradox.
How do I know you didn't leave it out when you quoted her without a link? You have no evidence she said any of that. Also, he didn't leave immediately. He was asleep or dead for quite a while before getting up.
They could reform.
It let Kain survive long enough to recover and survive on his own, as I said before. Once he left, he could die, just like the Hylden Lord.
Please define plot device; I want to know what definition you're using. If that's it, everything ever is a plot device, and you're using it wrong.
Please prove that Janos is strong. You still haven't proven that the Hylden Lord is durable.
Really what?
You didn't post the link. Your word, and that quote, is worthless without that link. Where did you supposedly copy it from?
Where does it say it directly kept him alive?
Jeez, that's harsh. You're not a very happy person, are you?
Why would that matter if he was already a vampire? Don't forget that Kain has consumed countless fake hearts of darkness.
Your arrogance is astounding.
Shall I take that as a concession?
The Hylden Lord isn't a hero, nor does that matter here. Nor is it accurate.
And not a shred of evidence, like a video or something. You haven't proven that those guys are durable, either.
And this matters against the Hylden Lord how? One on one? And you're still underestimating Link, the Master Sword, and the Triforce of Courage.
No, it really isn't. He was down and out against the mages and in a forum fight they would press the advantage and kill him while they had him tied up and not stand there like dummies when he was being powered up.
He used his powers but didn't directly access the power triforce because he didn't need to.
His body reformed it's molecules which he can do but if he is fatally wounded while in physical form he cannot do anything. Pretty clear.
Link has special powers like mostly anyone in any game opposing any bad guy but his special powers and his lackluster training make him anything but impressive. I consider him a child to badass characters like Dante, Kain, or Kratos who'd rape his entire family while he watched and couldn't do a thing to stop them.
The point is on here Ganondorf can die and will die when the soulreaver rips inside of him.
I posted her exact words I can't help it if you won't acknowledge it or not it's your problem.
Long enough to recover that makes no sense at all his heart didn't grow back so regardless he recovered on his own which is backed by her own words the demon realm kept the hylden alive and made them immortal but vampires were always immortal.
A plot device is an object or character in a story whose sole purpose is to advance the plot of the story, or alternatively to overcome some difficulty in the plot.
Many stories, especially in the fantasy genre, feature an object or objects with some great power. Often what drives the plot is the hero's need to find the object before the villain and use it for good rather than evil, or, if the object itself is evil, to destroy it
The triforce has always been a major plot device and you pretending it isn't is just more of your fanboyism.
If you play the games you know vampires are extremely strong and powerful. If you played the games you'd realize I don't have to prove every single vampire is strong by feats of strength and that Janos being the last ancient vampire in existence cements home this fact. That's like saying all gorons aren't strong enough because only certain ones have the feats. It's common sense and playing the games we accept things without having to see feat by feat to know something is true when the game establishes it already.
I can't remember what really was even directed at right now.
I copied it from a website that supports the lok series.
It says he survived due to his nature as the scion of balance whereas most die if they aren't the scion of balance without a heart. he is special and his destiny is so hence he survived.
Well,, I am happy and I just see you take things out o fcontext and ignore how the characters are portrayed to further this pro zelda agenda of yours.
What do you mean prove Janos is strong? It's obvious from playing the games just as I wouldn't ask someone for proof that random goron is strong and powerful without the feats to back it up. He also goes rounds with Raziel while possessed and physically holds his own while against the Hylden Lord he is tossed aside like street trash.
Both can be pierced by the other and this Dorf was impaled twice and easily.
I put up the interview where amy states those weren't real hearts that's ridiculous.
Your denial is truly something as well.
I don't concede I won.
Yes, meaning he will be crushed here as he is facing someone vastly superior to random Link who figures out ho wto be a warrior in a few weeks and crushes Dorf.
I don't have to as we have seen this Dorf not resist any swords attacking him. He isn't durable at all.
Originally posted by NemeBroAre you being serious here?
No, I'm referring to when Zant was able to merge entire regions with the Twilight realm. 🙂Unless the Lord teleports completely out of the region before this occurs, he will not avoid it, and then he loses by default, since he, you know, ran away.
Originally posted by quanchi112
While in ball form and guess what Link can't punch anywhere near as hard as they do and can only do so while they are in ball form with his boots making it a gear induced feat, sport. Feel the burn.
Until you learn physics you are just going to keep embarassing yourself here. Please, for your own sake at least. It doesn't matter whether he had the boots or not, he still stopped a larger body in motion using his arms as well. The boots just keep him from moving; his leg strength keeps him from falling and his arm strength absorbs the force.
He reformed and it's obvious he wasn't in any real danger unless we are speaking of the sages and Link incidents where he either died or was brought back by the triforce of power.
You're saying Ganondorf can reform his body after it has been destroyed (and body destruction is not fatal) without the Triforce of Power? You know, the source of his power? Look, when you're arguing that someone that has their body disintegrated isn't in danger, you're looking pretty darn biased.
And then, you're still misunderstanding the scene with the Sages even after all this time. Are you aware that Ganondorf did not have the Triorce of Power at that moment? Did you know that he did not have it until after the stabbing happened?
No, it really isn't. He was down and out against the mages and in a forum fight they would press the advantage and kill him while they had him tied up and not stand there like dummies when he was being powered up.
At least try to understand the scene or what you're talking about.
In a forum fight, Ganondorf would not be chained to a giant stone block.
In a forum fight, Ganondorf would have the Triforce of Power at the start, instead of gaining it during the fight.
In a forum fight, the Sages wouldn't have access to the Mirror of Twilight unless the Arbiter's Grounds were specified.
In a forum fight, Ganondorf would be trying to kill them.
He used his powers but didn't directly access the power triforce because he didn't need to.
Despite having his body disintegrate? Body disintegration is now non-lethal to you? Where do you come up with this stuff?
His body reformed it's molecules which he can do but if he is fatally wounded while in physical form he cannot do anything. Pretty clear.
No. Jeez, I can't believe you don't get this. Beast Ganon gets hit with the Master Sword (in physical form) and starts disintegrating. He survives this. Ganondorf gets impaled by the Master Sword and gets power drained. The difference being that the sword continued touching him during the impaling. No other sword could hace done that. No, not the Sages sword, did you not see him laugh as he pulled it out?
Link has special powers like mostly anyone in any game opposing any bad guy but his special powers and his lackluster training make him anything but impressive. I consider him a child to badass characters like Dante, Kain, or Kratos who'd rape his entire family while he watched and couldn't do a thing to stop them.
That's because you don't like to accept feats that don't fit in your reality. Link was trained by the Hero's Shade, in case you forgot, which is not lackluster in the sightest. I don't care whether or not you consider him a child. Technically, being 17, he is one, but he still beats Ganondorf, who could defeat the characters you named.
This is irrelevant anyway.
The point is on here Ganondorf can die and will die when the soulreaver rips inside of him.
No, Ganondorf has too much staying power for that. Or he could Twilight Mist himself, or cover the arena in twilight to render the Hylden Lord helpless.
I posted her exact words I can't help it if you won't acknowledge it or not it's your problem.
Nope. It's still you're problem. Until you post the link I asked for, anything you say is invalid.
Long enough to recover that makes no sense at all his heart didn't grow back so regardless he recovered on his own which is backed by her own words the demon realm kept the hylden alive and made them immortal but vampires were always immortal.
This is irrelevant. I refuse to argue pointless drivel that distracts from the current match. Besides, you still haven't posted that link. I'm not conceding on this, by the way, so don't even try.
A plot device is an object or character in a story whose sole purpose is to advance the plot of the story, or alternatively to overcome some difficulty in the plot.
Glad that's cleared up, then. At what point in Twilight Princess that isn't backstory does the Triforce of Power enhance the plot? By the way, under a definition that loose anything ever could still be called a plot device.
Many stories, especially in the fantasy genre, feature an object or objects with some great power. Often what drives the plot is the hero's need to find the object before the villain and use it for good rather than evil, or, if the object itself is evil, to destroy it
This fits the Triforce of Power how? Link isn't looking for it or trying to destroy it.
The triforce has always been a major plot device and you pretending it isn't is just more of your fanboyism.
The word "Triforce" does not appear at any point in Twilight Princess. Fact.
If you play the games you know vampires are extremely strong and powerful. If you played the games you'd realize I don't have to prove every single vampire is strong by feats of strength and that Janos being the last ancient vampire in existence cements home this fact. That's like saying all gorons aren't strong enough because only certain ones have the feats. It's common sense and playing the games we accept things without having to see feat by feat to know something is true when the game establishes it already.
"Stronger than a human" is absolutely worthless by itself. "Extremely strong" is similar. I've been told that I'm extremely strong before, does that mean I'm as strong as a vampire? What you're doing is trying to argue a vague statement. The purpose of feats is not show that someone is strong. The purpose of a feat is to show how strong someone is. Give me specifics. How much stronger is a vampire than a human? What can the average non-special vampire lift? How much stronger is Janos than a normal vampire? What can he lift? Give me a number or a feat.
What you're ignoring is that the average Goron does have feats like that, and special Gorons are better. The average Goron withstands magma and getting launched from a volcano, and can toss unweighted Link around or throw him into the sky. Gorons like Darbus can shatter rock walls with a punch. What do the vampires have that can compare to that? A statement that a vampire is stronger than a human does not tell us how much stronger, and does not prove that they're stronger than Link or Ganondorf.
And you still haven't proved that the Hylden lord is durable or has any staying power.
I copied it from a website that supports the lok series.
Then link me to the website. It's easy, just copy/paste the url and put the appropriate tags around it.
Well,, I am happy and I just see you take things out o fcontext and ignore how the characters are portrayed to further this pro zelda agenda of yours.
Where did I take something ut of context? Quote it for me.
What do you mean prove Janos is strong? It's obvious from playing the games just as I wouldn't ask someone for proof that random goron is strong and powerful without the feats to back it up. He also goes rounds with Raziel while possessed and physically holds his own while against the Hylden Lord he is tossed aside like street trash.
As above, I can prove a random Goron is strong, and give a minimum estimate on their strength. You can't seem to prove that a random vampire is strong, nor can you give any estimate. All you're doing is saying "strong" and expecting it to be enough. Let's say 2 guys are both strong. One lifts a large rock, but the other just keeps saying he's strong and doesn't lift anything. Which would you think is stronger?
Both can be pierced by the other and this Dorf was impaled twice and easily.
And the Hylden Lord has been impaled how many times? That's right, just once, and he died instantly. Therefore Ganondorf can take one more hit than the Hylden Lord can. That is, of course, the simple version. In reality, Ganondorf has taken much more than the Hylen Lord has (electrocution, exorcism via crushing, disintegration, and impalement) and keeps going. If you remember, the hylden Lord died instantly, while Ganondorf got back up and continued to talk.
I put up the interview where amy states those weren't real hearts that's ridiculous.
They heal him just the same.
Your denial is truly something as well.
Denial of what, pray tell? I simply don't stand for your malicious bashing.
I don't concede I won.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arrogance
Yes, meaning he will be crushed here as he is facing someone vastly superior to random Link who figures out ho wto be a warrior in a few weeks and crushes Dorf.
You are underestimating Link, the Master Sword, and the Triforce of Courage.
I don't have to as we have seen this Dorf not resist any swords attacking him. He isn't durable at all.
Ganondorf resists electrocution, exorcism via crushing, disintegration, and impalement. The Hylden Lord has nothing on that.