Ganondorf(tp) vs. Hylden Lord(BO2)

Started by Burning thought21 pages

Originally posted by The Scenario
Uh, what? Midna specifically called him a soldier, and he's wearing armor and holding a spear. That guy is just there to teach you use your senses for the first time.

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Same video, now along with 3:30, look at 5:25, 7:00, and 8:22. 8:37, too, just in case.

The soldiers did not resist twilight, they just didn't fully enter it. What resistence has the Hylden Lord shown?

Are you trying to change your point? You attempted to call me out by saying I claimed the twilight was magic when it wasn't. I simply proved via three videos that it was, in fact, magic. And were you even paying attention? Yes, the crystal is different, but the part you're supposed to see is that it is different magic. Both are reffered to as magic, but one is different, being Ganondorf's magic.

You missed the point there. Yeah, there's quite a bit of gameplay time, but you seem to have ignored the fact that, by the plot, the twilight stays right where it is until the Light Spirit can get rid of it.

Try this:
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Now, I could tell you that throughout the entire conversation with Zelda they are in twilight (Zelda being protected by her Triforce peice) and that would be true. But I'd rather just direct your attention to a specific part, namely, 5:57. Emphasis mine.

"I mean, is [b]perpetual twilight really all that bad?"

And, I would like to remind you that Zelda's story is a flashback. The twilight has been there since before the game even started. That's much more than the few seconds it would take for Ganondorf to murder the Hylden Lord.

I don't think we're watching the same video. Twilight takes almost no time at all to work, and again, only works if you're fully inside it. You're right in that little wisps won't work, but that's not what the Hylden Lord is facing, now is he? Hylden Lord's still too slow to much of anything before Ganondorf kills him.

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You must have missed this one.
First off, see 0:38 and the instant twilight covering the Lake Hylia area. Then, I must remind you that Zant's magic comes from Ganondorf, as stated at 1:38.

Did you not see Darbus come out of the giant monster after the Fused Shadow was separated from him? He touched the Fused Shadow and turned into TWILIT IGNITER: FYRUS and changed back once Link beat him. Here:

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8:00 and beyond. As you read, all it took was a touch for Darbus to transform.

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7:24. Oh, he survives.

Uh huh. Um, yeah, touching the Fused Shadows without protection is not good, as Darbus demonstrates. You've seen Ganondorf touching the Fused Shadows, yet still want to claim he has no protection? Also, don't you remember that simply looking at the Mirror of Twilight can cause possession? Ganondorf wrecked it. How do you suppose he did that without looking at it?

[quote=Burning Thought]Thats crap TK, the only one thats strong at all is when he smashes the lightspirit. And your forgetting TK again, assuming the Hylden lord cant just dematerialise and possess he kills himself just so he can possess Ganondorf. Or just teleport/slashes him.

It might not have been your intention, but you definitely said that NemeBro was forgetting the Hylden Lord's TK.

lols on both counts. Proven false by video evidence. [/B][/QUOTE]

The Hylden Lord does not require resistance if it does not even work on human soldiers and its only worked on peasants ignorant to what was happening. Based on evidence from the videos, it makes sense to me that twilight does not affect those privy to the attack, for example when the intiital blast came through the soldiers did not know what was going on and were transformed, after however once the soldiers could see the twilight cloud they ran through it with ease and had to be taken by shadow beasts.

Also your forgetting the Hylden lord is too fast for slow twilight to be of a use to Ganon.

You proved that Zant and Ganon called it with magic, not that twilight itself is magic, furthermore your vids display midna and others talking about the object placed in wolf link. As Nemebro has pointed out, Zant merged twilight realm with Hyrule.

It sounds to me like Midna is refering to her home, the twilight realm which is, iirc what the story is about if Nemebro has things correct, the merging of the two realms....

Murder him, the Hylden lord has a one hitting sword and teleportation, two powers that allow him to murk Ganondorf whos main power that youve talked about so far is a slow to cast twilight power that has trouble affecting humans.

So your ignoring the 4+ seconds it takes for it to even be cast? or the predictable blast Zant does with its short range? yes, right, too slow despite having a teleport just as, if not faster. Ganondorf is doomed...

Zants has twili magic if I am to belive your claim that the twili have twilight magic. You tried to make the point earlier that there is different magic in hyrule. If thats the case, Zant has powers Ganondorf does not hm?

And you ignored the point of how the fused shadows may be unique to individual shards, show me Darbus touching the completed helmet? because all I see is a shard coming from his body. Can you show me Ganondorf having the shadows inside of him like that without it harming him? Also it seems your overhyping this mirror, I assume more beings other than Ganondorf have ever looked into the mirror? assuming Ganondorf even did, how many has the whole completed unbroken mirror transformed out of those who has looke into it? has link for example looked into it? the sages? etc, I need more info, I will not accept out of ignorence that Ganondorf definatly looked into the mirror when he has more than several projectile powers that would enable him to break it without having to look within.

I am sorry but you simply read it wrong, reading comprehension, nowhere did I mension the Hylden lords TK or imply Nemebro is forgetting the Hylden lords TK, onyl that TK is useless. Perhaps this is another problem with replying to a post not intended for you hm? misconception...

Not true at all, video evidence shows it taking ages to be cast, ages to take effect and it needs to defeat light protection to even begin...LoK have light protection not only from their own light powers but also from the light spirits which youve yet to prove can choose whom to protect.

Also your forgetting the Hylden lord is too fast for slow twilight to be of a use to Ganon.
I know! SO FAST that he has no feats of speed at all!. 😐 Lol'd. Ganondorf can react to lightning bolts, and is immune to every attack the Hylden Lord can muster. Will tear the poor kid's head off.
Murder him, the Hylden lord has a one hitting sword and teleportation, two powers that allow him to murk Ganondorf whos main power that youve talked about so far is a slow to cast twilight power that has trouble affecting humans.

Nope. The sword can't so much as break Ganondorf's skin, and has no feats to put it on a level of power where it can get past Ganon's ridiculous magic resistance even if it could. The reason Twilight's been brought up, is it's an instant win that you cannot refute, period. It's just one of the things Ganon could do. I'm personally partial to Ganondorf ripping off his enemy's head.
Zants has twili magic if I am to belive your claim that the twili have twilight magic. You tried to make the point earlier that there is different magic in hyrule. If thats the case, Zant has powers Ganondorf does not hm?
Nope, Zant didn't receive the powers of the ruler of the twili, only Midna did. Zant has no power that did not come directly from Ganondorf.
Not true at all, video evidence shows it taking ages to be cast, ages to take effect and it needs to defeat light protection to even begin...LoK have light protection not only from their own light powers but also from the light spirits which youve yet to prove can choose whom to protect.

Nah. A spell that produces light is not the same as the power of light in Zelda, especially not the light spirits.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I know! SO FAST that he [b]has no feats of speed at all!. 😐 Lol'd. Ganondorf can react to lightning bolts, and is immune to every attack the Hylden Lord can muster. Will tear the poor kid's head off.

Nope. The sword can't so much as break Ganondorf's skin, and has no feats to put it on a level of power where it can get past Ganon's ridiculous magic resistance even if it could. The reason Twilight's been brought up, is it's an instant win that you cannot refute, period. It's just one of the things Ganon could do. I'm personally partial to Ganondorf ripping off his enemy's head.
Nope, Zant didn't receive the powers of the ruler of the twili, only Midna did. Zant has no power that did not come directly from Ganondorf.

Nah. A spell that produces light is not the same as the power of light in Zelda, especially not the light spirits. [/B]

Video evidence of his teleportation snookered you, Ganondorf cannot. Sorry, you getting angry and complaining does not account for evidence.

More ranting.

Boring....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Video evidence of his teleportation snookered you, Ganondorf cannot. Sorry, you getting angry and complaining does not account for evidence.

More ranting.

Boring....

Oh look, you provided no evidence, just claimed I was wrong with no reasoning. Show me those vids? Share some evidence? You know, like Scenario's been crushing you with for pages now? You have none. Ganon wins this with hilarious lack of effort, as Scenario has handily proven. 🙂

Losing arguments must be boring for you, BT, you do it so often.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Oh look, you provided no evidence, just claimed I was wrong with no reasoning. Show me those vids? Share some evidence? You know, like Scenario's been crushing you with for pages now? You have none. Ganon wins this with hilarious lack of effort, as Scenario has handily proven. 🙂

Losing arguments must be boring for you, BT, you do it so often.

Again, grumbling with your arms crossed, stamping your feet. You do this in every thread after youve been made a joke of. And the evidence has been provided, your tired trolling antics are so boring.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Again, grumbling with your arms crossed, stamping your feet. You do this in every thread after youve been made a joke of. And the evidence has been provided, your tired trolling antics are so boring.
You refuse to actually argue, just keep posting ad hominem. I accept your concession.

Ganondorf is too fast and too durable for the Hylden lord to dream of harming.

lol, the Hylden lord based on real feats kills Ganondorf in one teleport slash, you know, the Ganondorf who cannot react to the weapon and whos apparently only resistance to soul powers is from touching an object without soul powers.....

Ganondorf is a joke for something of LoK tier...

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol, the Hylden lord based on [b]real feats kills Ganondorf in one teleport slash, you know, the Ganondorf who cannot react to the weapon and whos apparently only resistance to soul powers is from touching an object without soul powers.....

Ganondorf is a joke for something of LoK tier... [/B]


The Hylden Lord with nary a feat to his name, who's teleport slash Ganondorf can react to wish ease as he's reflected lightning, and who even if he didn't, wouldn't be harmed because he's too damn durable, and who even if he was, and this is LAYERS of if, would be fine anyway. The reaver has no feats to put it on a level capable of contending with his ridiculous magic resistance.

The joke is that you weren't banned for trolling years ago.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The Hylden Lord with nary a feat to his name, who's teleport slash Ganondorf can react to wish ease as he's reflected lightning, and who even if he didn't, wouldn't be harmed because he's too damn durable, and who even if he was, and this is LAYERS of if, would be fine anyway. The reaver has no feats to put it on a level capable of contending with his ridiculous magic resistance.

The joke is that you weren't banned for trolling years ago.

Nah, hes not refelcted lightning, you lost again...its been refuted, try a new tactic.

Ironic coming from the biggest troll on here who admits to trolling regularly.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Nah, hes not refelcted lightning, you lost again...its been refuted, try a new tactic.

Ironic coming from the biggest troll on here who admits to trolling regularly.

K, if it's been refuted, quote it, post some evidence (you have none), or actually rfute it, instead of claiming: "No! You're wrong!!!", with nothing to support you when the actual game, which your ignorant self refuses to play, supports me verbatim, kthnx.

Tired of being thrashed yet?

Originally posted by Burning thought
The Hylden Lord does not require resistance if it does not even work on human soldiers and its only worked on peasants ignorant to what was happening. Based on evidence from the videos, it makes sense to me that twilight does not affect those privy to the attack, for example when the intiital blast came through the soldiers did not know what was going on and were transformed, after however once the soldiers could see the twilight cloud they ran through it with ease and had to be taken by shadow beasts.

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0:41

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This would be the third time I've shown you this video.

Also,

+ Twilight =

+Twilight =


Also your forgetting the Hylden lord is too fast for slow twilight to be of a use to Ganon.

What feats does the Hylden Lord have to prove this? Can you show them to me?

Also, YouTube video

0:38, instant twilight.


You proved that Zant and Ganon called it with magic, not that twilight itself is magic, furthermore your vids display midna and others talking about the object placed in wolf link. As Nemebro has pointed out, Zant merged twilight realm with Hyrule.

Reading comprehension FTW. Look again.

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1:00, What binds him is a different magic than what transformed him when he first passed the curtain of twilight.

She is talking about the other object, but she's comparing it to a different magic. Specifically, the magic that transformed him the first time.


It sounds to me like Midna is refering to her home, the twilight realm which is, iirc what the story is about if Nemebro has things correct, the merging of the two realms....

Which would mean what again? That's right, Midna is comparing Hyrule's perpetual twilight to her home.


Murder him, the Hylden lord has a one hitting sword and teleportation, two powers that allow him to murk Ganondorf whos main power that youve talked about so far is a slow to cast twilight power that has trouble affecting humans.

Let me ask you a question: if the Reaver is a one hit weapon, why are Raziel and Kain able to hold an entire conversation while his soul is being absorbed? Seriously, that had to have taken 20+ seconds. The Reaver is too slow to do anything to Ganondorf, and if he transforms into Ganon the Hylden Lord is screwed. What resistence does the Hylden Lord show to anything like twilight?


So your ignoring the 4+ seconds it takes for it to even be cast? or the predictable blast Zant does with its short range? yes, right, too slow despite having a teleport just as, if not faster. Ganondorf is doomed...

What 4 seconds? Can you not see the instant twilight formation?


Zants has twili magic if I am to belive your claim that the twili have twilight magic. You tried to make the point earlier that there is different magic in hyrule. If thats the case, Zant has powers Ganondorf does not hm?

No, since Zant states that he is using the power of his god, who is Ganondorf. Look at the scene where Zant TKs everyone again. Zant is insulted when Midna says he is using Twili magic.


And you ignored the point of how the fused shadows may be unique to individual shards, show me Darbus touching the completed helmet? because all I see is a shard coming from his body. Can you show me Ganondorf having the shadows inside of him like that without it harming him? Also it seems your overhyping this mirror, I assume more beings other than Ganondorf have ever looked into the mirror? assuming Ganondorf even did, how many has the whole completed unbroken mirror transformed out of those who has looke into it? has link for example looked into it? the sages? etc, I need more info, I will not accept out of ignorence that Ganondorf definatly looked into the mirror when he has more than several projectile powers that would enable him to break it without having to look within.

What? Darbus touched a mere peice of a Fused Shadow and was transformed and possessed. Ganondorf crushed another peice in his hand, with no effects. As for the Mirror,

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These are the three that are using the power of the Mirror Shards.

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5:05, "Once broken by magic, the Mirror of Twilight became fragments, which even now are hidden across the land of Hyrule.'

Who do you think hid them?


I am sorry but you simply read it wrong, reading comprehension, nowhere did I mension the Hylden lords TK or imply Nemebro is forgetting the Hylden lords TK, onyl that TK is useless. Perhaps this is another problem with replying to a post not intended for you hm? misconception...

I don't even care what you said, I just argued because you got so defensive about it.


Not true at all, video evidence shows it taking ages to be cast, ages to take effect and it needs to defeat light protection to even begin...LoK have light protection not only from their own light powers but also from the light spirits which youve yet to prove can choose whom to protect.

1. Ages to cast- Proven false by video evidence.
2. Ages to take effect- Proven false by video evidence.
3. Needs to defeat Light Spirit- Oh, almost. It's true, but there are no Light Spirits here, are there?

Prove the Hylden Lord has light powers, let alone that they can banish darkness.

Scenario is a great poster.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Scenario is a great poster.
AGREED, sir. AGREED.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Scenario is a great poster.
AGREED, sir. AGREED.

Thanks, guys. 😄

All hail the Scenerio.

You have all been profiled, just so you know.

Why do you take BT so serious?

Just asking.

I propose that we (LLLC) just feed Scenario our input and let him format it into a representative post, since he isn't a slack-ass.

Originally posted by The Scenario
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0:41

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This would be the third time I've shown you this video.

Also,

+ Twilight =

+Twilight =

What feats does the Hylden Lord have to prove this? Can you show them to me?

Also, YouTube video

0:38, instant twilight.

Reading comprehension FTW. Look again.

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1:00, What binds him is a different magic than [b]what transformed him when he first passed the curtain of twilight.

She is talking about the other object, but she's comparing it to a different magic. Specifically, the magic that transformed him the first time.

Which would mean what again? That's right, Midna is comparing Hyrule's perpetual twilight to her home.

Let me ask you a question: if the Reaver is a one hit weapon, why are Raziel and Kain able to hold an entire conversation while his soul is being absorbed? Seriously, that had to have taken 20+ seconds. The Reaver is too slow to do anything to Ganondorf, and if he transforms into Ganon the Hylden Lord is screwed. What resistence does the Hylden Lord show to anything like twilight?

What 4 seconds? Can you not see the instant twilight formation?

No, since Zant states that he is using the power of his god, who is Ganondorf. Look at the scene where Zant TKs everyone again. Zant is insulted when Midna says he is using Twili magic.

What? Darbus touched a mere peice of a Fused Shadow and was transformed and possessed. Ganondorf crushed another peice in his hand, with no effects. As for the Mirror,

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These are the three that are using the power of the Mirror Shards.

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5:05, "Once broken by magic, the Mirror of Twilight became fragments, which even now are hidden across the land of Hyrule.'

Who do you think hid them?

I don't even care what you said, I just argued because you got so defensive about it.

1. Ages to cast- Proven false by video evidence.
2. Ages to take effect- Proven false by video evidence.
3. Needs to defeat Light Spirit- Oh, almost. It's true, but there are no Light Spirits here, are there?

Prove the Hylden Lord has light powers, let alone that they can banish darkness. [/B]

Youve shown me something thats not useful for your claim 3 times, because we dont know how they were defeated. By the looks of it, they were transformed where they stand and they did not realise anything was going on before they were transformed. Hence why the power is several times useless in a VS, 1. too slow and 2. it does not seem to work, or not as well on entities privy to the twilight cloud.

Its been shown, you dont remember a few pages back the Lord teleporting in seconds, in comparison to twilight call down taking 4 seconds? (according to you, but tbh I wont even check, thats still too long).

Thats twilight coming back after the light spirit in that area was vanquished. Zant did not show any indication of casting it again, only taking away a protection that area had.

It would mean that shes refering to her home being in perpetual twilight. Technically shes fallible at that point because she does not know how long the merge will last, either way obviously it was not perpetual as it was stopped.

😆 igorance ftw, when did they have hold a 20+ second conversation? if he transforms into Ganon then hes lost half his powers because from what weve seen its almost purely a physical entity, usually incredibly slow and cumbersome. Well I dunno, maybe being more magically resistant than normal soldiers for starters....dodging entirely or killing Ganon before he gets off the slow cast being another. But youve yet to prove Ganon can cast the spell...

You said 4 seconds for hyrule to be covered not me, I think its probably longer. Your refering to after the twilight being called, only returning after spirits have been removed 😛

Yes, Zant states that when hes using TK...and overpowering Midna, he never claims that merging dimensions was possible if he was not a twili, or that Ganon could do the same which he has not done. The same source of power does not always give the same ends.

Ganons minions, not Ganon himself. I cant imagine why the King of evil with all his forces would break a mirror, only to run around placing them here and there and assuming he did thats still not evidence he resisted mind control or possession, you would have to prove the magic shards react the same way as it looks to me like Ganon has some control over them as I assume its him that puts them in the entities that have become evil to attack link?

Then maybe you should not argue points not meant for you, it can confuse a conversation.

1. Nah
2. Nope, youve proven twilight can return fairly quickly after being initially cast. Which takes 4 seconds+
3. I admit that part of the post was more hinted at the other thread although to answer, all light can push back darkness, even a lightbulb. Twilight is not even full darkness.

Its like a pattern. Scenario, BT, Scenario, cheerleaders, BT etc..

Question, do we know that Zant's powers are Ganon's powers or did he get powers because of Ganon?