Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I uh just did with that post. You're welcome to look at the source itself. Here, I'll help you. It's called Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith. It's a DVD that's currently in circulation so I think you'll have no problem finding it.
No, I mean that ass.
Back it up.
the script is canon unless it directly contradicts the movie. You know the drill DS. If the scripts says Yoda disarmed sidious, then walked away, and we see nothing that directly contradicts it.... well, sorry, but I didn't make the rules. IF you intend to have another stupid discussion about the well-known well-established rules of canon, I simply won't. You are playing ignorant on the subject, and its annoying.
Originally posted by truejedi
the script is canon unless it directly contradicts the movie. You know the drill DS. If the scripts says Yoda disarmed sidious, then walked away, and we see nothing that directly contradicts it.... well, sorry, but I didn't make the rules. IF you intend to have another stupid discussion about the well-known well-established rules of canon, I simply won't. You are playing ignorant on the subject, and its annoying.
What does the script say? Better yet, the script seems to be Episode 3. We see Sidious gaining the high ground. I for one would prefer to believe Sidious was disarmed, but knowing Sidious' superior tactics and Yoda's naivety, I'm inclined to go with the logical deduction. Please don't lecture me about canon when you're trying to deviate from the movies.
Originally posted by truejedi
Have you WATCHED episode 3? Yoda and Sidious are crossing sabers, riding on the Senate podium. The fight cuts away to Anakin and Kenobi, and when it returns Sidious is high above Yoda UNARMED and throwing senate pods.It gels perfectly with the script. What is your argument here McBeefy?
What SCRIPT? Did you get your hands on a script nobody else did? How about the idea that Sidious manages to force some distance, put away his lightsaber, and start throwing pods at Yoda? My argument is that he was going all out against Yoda, while he wasn't going all out against Mace because he was overconfident and it nearly cost him.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
What SCRIPT? Did you get your hands on a script nobody else did? How about the idea that Sidious manages to force some distance, put away his lightsaber, and start throwing pods at Yoda? My argument is that he was going all out against Yoda, while he wasn't going all out against Mace because he was overconfident and it nearly cost him.
The screenplay DS? Snap out of it.
YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts.The energy bolts begin to arc back on the Emperor. It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed.
YODA: Destroy you I will, just as Master Kenobi, your apprentice will destroy.
YODA jumps to a lower Senate Pod. PALPATINE reaches out with one hand, and a Senate pod is released from its mooring and heads toward the Podium. PALPATINE uses the Force to hurl pod after pod at YODA, who ducks and jumps from one flying pod to another.
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-Revenge-of-the-Sith.html
Originally posted by truejedi
The screenplay DS? Snap out of it.http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-Revenge-of-the-Sith.html
I don't know how valid that is in terms of the movie. But I do know that its validity is definitely contestable after reading that Yoda jumped to a lower pod instead of delivering the killing blow. That's just moronic.
Not to mention, the dialog isn't even similar.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I don't know how valid that is in terms of the movie. But I do know that its validity is definitely contestable after reading that Yoda jumped to a lower pod instead of delivering the killing blow. That's just moronic.Not to mention, the dialog isn't even similar.
The dialogue isn't similar because it definitly fits inside the part of the fight where Kenobi was fighting anakin. As i said, I'm not going back over the rules of canon. Whether something is moronic or not doesn't even begin to matter in deciding what is canon,and you KNOW that.
JT
Oh gee, wut da hell wuz I thnkin? Mace musta just said fuk it, right? Yes, he couldn't block it with his stub, but he wasn't "holding back" either, as was Sidious (per yer word). You know damn well that this is a completely different situation, and to compare the two is... well... either a game, or outright foolishness. One can't be "overpowered" if he/she/it is holding back. However, Sidious was indeed, "overpowered" (per GL). I'll be back later, as I have sum bbq to look after. Yummmm.
So, what you're saying is... you have no proof or anything resembling evidence to suggest that Windu, at that point, was making a concerted effort to defend himself?
I didn't think so. Especially since the databank flat out says Windu's defenses were stripped. As in he had no defenses. Which means he could not defend himself.
Don't you ever damage my reputation by speaking to me directly again.
Originally posted by Gideon
So, what you're saying is... you have no proof or anything resembling evidence to suggest that Windu, at that point, was making a concerted effort to defend himself?I didn't think so. Especially since the databank flat out says Windu's defenses were stripped. As in he had no defenses. Which means he could not defend himself.
Don't you ever damage my reputation by speaking to me directly again.
Really? Watch the movie again. Mace clearly tries to hold his balance right before he is hurled out the window. This indicates struggle - attempted preservation of life.
Also, saying his defenses were stripped doesn't = someone being "overpowered" because they weren't going full speed.
And your defeat came much easier than I had previously anticipated. You, my friend, are WAY overrated.
Why do people persist in speaking to me when they've been put on Ignore? It must be my charisma and celebrity status.
Fear not, dear servant; when you learn to provide some specific evidence to support your claims instead of, well, what you've been doing, then you might earn your place at my feet again.
Don't be such a pretentious, self-disillusioned, wimp. I told you where the evidence can be found. It's now up to you to get off your butt and find it. Like I said before Gid, you're overrated. I used to hold you in somewhat high esteem, but that's changed. I've watched you evade the critical points of debate after debate. Don't be so evasive Gid. Address the issues.
Wow, I didn't think you'd actually respond to that. You people and your fragile egos.
Edit: When you make something of a valid point besides WINDU LOST HIS BALANCE ERGO HE WAS MAKING A CONCERTED EFFORT EVEN THOUGH THE CANON DATABANK SAYS OTHERWISE, I'll gladly take you off Ignore to intellectually curbstomp you.
I don't waste my time with those who make worthless points. I don't care if you disagree, which is why I debate with TJ and Galan (who don't agree with me), but you have to be smart about it.