Twilight Vampires run the Star Wars gauntlet

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Yeah; although impressive, that has little to do with speed, nor will such strength do anything against the Force.

The vampire have NO defense against the Force!

Speed idea - debunked, as the vampires can't move that fast in an actual fight, as I proved.

Strength idea - debunked, as a Force grip cannot be broken through by physical strength alone.

Speed Idea - thoroughly pwns every single idea that any of you can come up with. Makes the force useless because they can never touch the vamps with it.

Strength idea - Makes the force even more usless.. If the Vampires decide to stand still, a force push does nothing. A force pull will work but bringing the vampire close is a horrible idea. As long as the vamp can anchor on something, they are more than strong enough to resist several force users pulling on them. They fact that their flesh is harder than most stones should be more than enough for you to realize that the Jedi are very delicate meat. Pulling them towards them would be suicide.

In other words...

Force push or pull: debunked. Would actually be a waste of time.

Force Suspension: Stupid idea as throwing the lightsaber would net them a lost light saber. Approaching them while suspending them would result in a swift death for the force user...I'd say just suspending them and keeping them there would be a good idea. If there is enough of them, then they could think of a way to put them in, say, molten lava. That should be enough to kill them. hmm

Force lightening is weak compared to real lightening, which is a piont you made earlier and asked me to prove it.

Show me one instance where force lightning looked like this:

Or this:

Instead, we have a Luke that gets up from a "supposed" "now young Skywalker, you will die" power. The lightning is slow moving, as well. You can actually see it arc.

Originally posted by marwash22
unless you're talking about PC Supes, you need to simmer down on the "Billions of tons of force" thing. Superman's greatest exhibition of force while flying has him topping out at around 350 million tons... him exerting trillions of tons of force is completely out of the question.

More on topic though, weight and counter force does effect force-push/pull. Superman would be able to resist it, just like he can resist telekinesis. The TwiVamps however, have no such ability.

The Island [only] weighed 350 million tons? You sure about that?

Weight does affect Force-telekinesis, as I've shown. Maul (far weaker than Yoda) effortless moved a small bit of rubble, Yoda (one of the, if not the most powerful Jedi) struggled a bit with a large amount of rubble. If weight doesn't factor, both objects would have been moved at the same amount of effort, that or we are to assume Maul is far stronger in Force-telekinesis than Yoda. Which isn't so.

Originally posted by Robtard
The Island [only] weighed 350 million tons? You sure about that?

Weight does affect Force-telekinesis, as I've shown. Maul (far weaker than Yoda) effortless moved a small bit of rubble, Yoda (one of the, if not the most powerful Jedi) struggled a bit with a large amount of rubble. If weight doesn't factor, both objects would have been moved at the same amount of effort, that or we are to assume Maul is far stronger in Force-telekinesis than Yoda. Which isn't so.

You are correct.

The largest object Yoda moved was probably the X-Wing, weighing coule or more tons.

That was the most massive object any force user, in G-Level canon, moved.

He struggled like a mo- as well, having to close his eyes and move it very very slowly.

He strained very hard to stop that pillar that Dooku broke the supports on. That was a tone or 2. I mean, he struggled like he had a massive turd to get out.

oh damn! When i said Supes max force exertion was 350 million tons, i was using comic book Supes. In that example, the 350 million tons was him towing the moon along with two other heroes. In the movie, that island he lifted weighed considerably less than 350 million tons. Its impressive when you consider the island was made out of Kryptonite and (i believe) he still had that Kryptonite blade in his body, but the feat falls short of exhibiting a billion tons of force exertion.

Eh, none of that matter's though, He's more than strong enough to resist a force-pull and more importantly, a force-crush/choke.

Well, my only point was that Force-telekinesis is subject to weight and/or counter-forces. Some were arguing it isn't.

But yeah, I was WAY off. Hoover Dam weighs 6.6 million tons, even if that island is X20 the weight, my numbers were skewed.

Originally posted by marwash22
There is one thing to ponder...

If you take the strongest TwiVamp (probably Felix) and couple him with Renata, he could most likely solo all the Jedi.

I agree.

No one wants to acknowledge the special abilities of the vampires, on top of not wanting to acknowledge the fact that a vampire is not a blaster bolt. In a straight line, a vampire is far faster than a blaster bolt, to begin with.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, my only point was that Force-telekinesis is subject to weight and/or counter-forces. Some were arguing it isn't.

But yeah, I was WAY off. Hoover Dam weighs 6.6 million tons, even if that island is X20 the weight, my numbers were skewed.

I don't know. You could be right. It very well could be in the billions.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Speed Idea - thoroughly pwns every single idea that any of you can come up with. Makes the force useless because they can never touch the vamps with it.

Strength idea - Makes the force even more usless.. If the Vampires decide to stand still, a force push does nothing. A force pull will work but bringing the vampire close is a horrible idea. As long as the vamp can anchor on something, they are more than strong enough to resist several force users pulling on them. They fact that their flesh is harder than most stones should be more than enough for you to realize that the Jedi are very delicate meat. Pulling them towards them would be suicide.

In other words...

Force push or pull: debunked. Would actually be a waste of time.

Force Suspension: Stupid idea as throwing the lightsaber would net them a lost light saber. Approaching them while suspending them would result in a swift death for the force user...I'd say just suspending them and keeping them there would be a good idea. If there is enough of them, then they could think of a way to put them in, say, molten lava. That should be enough to kill them. hmm

Force lightening is weak compared to real lightening, which is a piont you made earlier and asked me to prove it.

Show me one instance where force lightning looked like this:

Or this:

Instead, we have a Luke that gets up from a "supposed" "now young Skywalker, you will die" power. The lightning is slow moving, as well. You can actually see it arc.

You ignored my claims that the vampire not as fast as you claimed they were. You automatically assumed that the vampires as too fast in COMBAT for the Jedi to react, but you have shown NO proof for this

STFU with the petty insults that you've said, including calling me a mental retard, and GTFO until you actually debate and explain to me how the vampires move that fast in a fight! PROVE IT! You are posting strawmans. I am not denying that the vampires win IF they can move that fast in a fight (although I'm not confirming it either), but you haven't PROVED it yet. And no, your 9000 mph theory involves a straight run, not a combat scenario.

Your BS about the Jedi losing their lightsabers is a pure, outright lie. You know as well as me that the Jedi can use the Force to get their lightsabers back, and even if they don't that lightsaber served a purpose by killing a vampire, and the vampires would be vastly outnumbered by the entire Jedi Order.

Your strength theory is also a pure, outright lie based on inaccurabe facts and twisting of the truth. The Force can move someone regardless if that someone is as weak as some newborn or as strong as the Hulk.

But none of this really matters that much when the Jedi get Jedi starfighers, which I already proved that they have access to since the Jedi starfighers are part of the Jedi Order.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I don't know. You could be right. It very well could be in the billions.

Need to watch it again, could swear it was ultra-massive in size when it begins to float away into space.

I do think your calcualtions are in order though, or at least reasonable. Billions, baby, billions.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

But none of this really matters that much when the Jedi get Jedi starfighers, which I already proved that they have access to since the Jedi starfighers are part of the Jedi Order.

That's poor tactics to win a debate, imo. You initially stated what the Jedi side had at their disposal, adding to it now only shows that you're trying to force (haha, get it?) a Jedi win, when one couldn't be had in the original thread set-up.

AKA, you just RJ'd it.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You ignored my claims that the vampire not as fast as you claimed they were.

You ignored my post where I showed you that the vampires were far faster than you estimated and their fighting ability is far faster than you tried to down-play them.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You automatically assumed that the vampires as too fast in COMBAT for the Jedi to react, but you have shown NO proof for this

I have already proven that they are and you have no choice but to drink a nice warm cup of STFU. 😆

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
STFU with the petty insults that you've said, including calling me a mental retard, and GTFO until you actually debate and explain to me how the vampires move that fast in a fight! PROVE IT! You are posting strawmans. I am not denying that the vampires win IF they can move that fast in a fight (although I'm not confirming it either), but you haven't PROVED it yet. And no, your 9000 mph theory involves a straight run, not a combat scenario.

I think you need to calm down, rage boy.

It's already been proven. They move like the flash, IN SLOW MOTION! 😆 😆 😆 😆

That's far faster than the one and only time we see force speed used.

No Jedi or any force user was seen moving that fast. Not even close.

I have proved, others proved it, and you've been pwned so horribly that anything you reply with is just lameness. You keep raging but it won't change.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Your BS about the Jedi losing their lightsabers is a [b]pure, outright lie. You know as well as me that the Jedi can use the Force to get their lightsabers back, and even if they don't that lightsaber served a purpose by killing a vampire, and the vampires would be vastly outnumbered by the entire Jedi Order.[/B]

Right, the Jedi are going to get their lightsaber back when a vampire is capable of apply several tons of force with just one hand, LIGHTLY.

😆

Wait? What's that? They are not?

Crickets?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Your strength theory is also a [b]pure, outright lie based on inaccurabe facts and twisting of the truth. The Force can move someone regardless if that someone is as weak as some newborn or as strong as the Hulk.[/B]

lol!

You've lost it. You're not even thinking straight.

That point of yours has been thoroughly destroyed. I won't respond to it any longer.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
But none of this really matters that much when the Jedi get Jedi starfighers, which I already proved that they have access to since the Jedi starfighers are part of the Jedi Order.

In that case, the Vampires get access to SAM EM tracking missiles. Those exist from humans and the Vampires are more than capable of getting access to those beause "no human army" could stand against the vampires. Since they have Alice's perfect visions, they get access to as many SAM EM missiles and missile bays as they need. They are all fired and destroy the Starfighters with perfect precision as the Starfighters do not have the tech capable of diverting the lock-on from the missiles.

Or we can just stick with the forum rules and not arbitrarily add weapons and tools as the thread goes on because your 'favorite" gets their *ss handed to them in a thorough way.

I think I figured out why you started raging on me: I finally resopnded to your lame lightning argument when I originally refused because, get this, I said it was so lame that it wasn't worth responding to.

Stop taking the internets so seriously. Calm down, relax, take a breather, then admit you were wrong.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You ignored my post where I showed you that the vampires were far faster than you estimated and their fighting ability is far faster than you tried to down-play them.

I have not seen this post, but it seems interesting since it appears as though it actually has some content in it. Please quote it.

I have already proven that they are and you have no choice but to drink a nice warm cup of STFU. 😆

I think you need to calm down, rage boy.

It's already been proven. They move like the flash, IN SLOW MOTION! 😆 😆 😆 😆

That's far faster than the one and only time we see force speed used.

No Jedi or any force user was seen moving that fast. Not even close.

You have NOT proved this. Show me these supposed posts that you keep on claiming prove this and that.

I have proved, others proved it, and you've been pwned so horribly that anything you reply with is just lameness. You keep raging but it won't change.

WTF does this have to do with the part of my argument that you were quoting?

Right, the Jedi are going to get their lightsaber back when a vampire is capable of apply several tons of force with just one hand, LIGHTLY.

While the vampires is sitting there holding the lightsaber down, a Jedi glances at him/her and the vampires gets thrown around by the Force.

😆

Wait? What's that? They are not?

Crickets?

lol!

You've lost it. You're not even thinking straight.

That point of yours has been thoroughly destroyed. I won't respond to it any longer.

See? NONE of this actually focuses on the argument that I stated.

Einstein: E = MC^2 because of (lists complex reasons)
Random person: hahaha you've lost it your point has been destroyed!
Einstein: how so?
Random person: hahaha because it has.

In that case, the Vampires get access to SAM EM tracking missiles. Those exist from humans and the Vampires are more than capable of getting access to those beause "no human army" could stand against the vampires. Since they have Alice's perfect visions, they get access to as many SAM EM missiles and missile bays as they need. They are all fired and destroy the Starfighters with perfect precision as the Starfighters do not have the tech capable of diverting the lock-on from the missiles.

1. I stated every Twilight vampire, which does not include SAM EM tracking missiles. However, the Jedi Order DOES include Jedi starfighters.

2. lol at "starfighters do not have the tech capable of diverting the lock on from the missiles". Again, you are outright lying. Did you watch the opening scene of ROTS? Do you have even an ounce of common sense? Do you seriously think that a starfighter capable of moving at speeds several times that of even F22s will be hit or even damaged by missiles from a civilization thousands of years less advanced than it?

Or we can just stick with the forum rules and not arbitrarily add weapons and tools as the thread goes on because your 'favorite" gets their *ss handed to them in a thorough way.

You're a hypocrite, because in a thread involving the USA you gave the USA aircraft carriers, which are part of the USA. I'm giving the Jedi Order starfighers, which are part of the Jedi Order. Your missile launcher idea is invalid because a) they are not part of the Twilight vampires and b) they won't do jack against Jedi starfighters.

I think I figured out why you started raging on me: I finally resopnded to your lame lightning argument when I originally refused because, get this, I said it was so lame that it wasn't worth responding to.

Stop taking the internets so seriously. Calm down, relax, take a breather, then admit you were wrong.

What you do is quote my argument and then say some random, derogatory insults that having NOTHING to do with my post that you're quoting.

You also are outright lying and twisting facts.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I have not seen this post, but it seems interesting since it appears as though it actually has some content in it. Please quote it.

You have NOT proved this. Show me these supposed posts that you keep on claiming prove this and that.

WTF does this have to do with the part of my argument that you were quoting?

While the vampires is sitting there holding the lightsaber down, a Jedi glances at him/her and the vampires gets thrown around by the Force.

See? NONE of this actually focuses on the argument that I stated.

Einstein: E = MC^2 because of (lists complex reasons)
Random person: hahaha you've lost it your point has been destroyed!
Einstein: how so?
Random person: hahaha because it has.

1. I stated every Twilight vampire, which does not include SAM EM tracking missiles. However, the Jedi Order DOES include Jedi starfighters.

2. lol at "starfighters do not have the tech capable of diverting the lock on from the missiles". Again, you are [b]outright lying. Did you watch the opening scene of ROTS? Do you have even an ounce of common sense? Do you seriously think that a starfighter capable of moving at speeds several times that of even F22s will be hit or even damaged by missiles from a civilization thousands of years less advanced than it?

You're a hypocrite, because in a thread involving the USA you gave the USA aircraft carriers, which are part of the USA. I'm giving the Jedi Order starfighers, which are part of the Jedi Order. Your missile launcher idea is invalid because a) they are not part of the Twilight vampires and b) they won't do jack against Jedi starfighters.

What you do is quote my argument and then say some random, derogatory insults that having NOTHING to do with my post that you're quoting.

You also are outright lying and twisting facts. [/B]

I'm not reading any of that.

You've been pwned.

Deal with it.

If you have something to bring to the table OTHER than the Vamps not being strong enough to resist the force, not being face enough to avoid the force, then forgot about posting it.

Bring something else to the table. Those are dead.

As of right now, the Force users and any meatbag are hamburger meat.

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This is still going on... Looking on the last couple of pages all I see are people throwing around insults, making faulty arguments, and saying I pwned you. It really disgusting. BTW both sides are at fault here.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm not reading any of that.

You've been pwned.

Deal with it.

If you have something to bring to the table OTHER than the Vamps not being strong enough to resist the force, not being face enough to avoid the force, then forgot about posting it.

Bring something else to the table. Those are dead.

As of right now, the Force users and any meatbag are hamburger meat.

How do you know if I'm right or not without reading my post?

You do realize that refusing to read the other side's arguments is not valid, right?

However, you DO want proof, so I'll give you proof (although I already have)

Vampires are NOT strong enough to resist the Force. You know why? Simple; the Force is not affected by physical strength. Even if the vampires were as strong as the Hulk they would not be able to resist the Force.

Vampire are NOT fast enough to avoid the Force, or at least you haven't proven it. The Force cannot miss, although Jedi can, but you have not provided proof that the vampires are that fast in COMBAT. You claim that you have, but if so, please SHOW ME THE POST! I have done this many times; that is, showing posts, and you can too. Please actually show me a post where you prove that the vampires can move that fast IN COMBAT.

Also, even if the Vampires are fast enough to avoid the Force (which you have NOT proven) and strong enough to avoid the Force (which is impossible), you still can't counter Jedi starfighers.

Originally posted by ares834
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This is still going on... Looking on the last couple of pages all I see are people throwing around insults, making faulty arguments, and saying I pwned you. It really disgusting. BTW both sides are at fault here.

None of my arguments have been faulty, ever. 🙂

I am at fault for feeding the rager, though.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
How do you know if I'm right or not without reading my post?

You do realize that refusing to read the other side's arguments is not valid, right?

However, you DO want proof, so [b]I'll give you proof (although I already have)

Vampires are NOT strong enough to resist the Force. You know why? Simple; the Force is not affected by physical strength. Even if the vampires were as strong as the Hulk they would not be able to resist the Force.

Vampire are NOT fast enough to avoid the Force, or at least you haven't proven it. The Force cannot miss, although Jedi can, but you have not provided proof that the vampires are that fast in COMBAT. You claim that you have, but if so, please SHOW ME THE POST! I have done this many times; that is, showing posts, and you can too. Please actually show me a post where you prove that the vampires can move that fast IN COMBAT.

Also, even if the Vampires are fast enough to avoid the Force (which you have NOT proven) and strong enough to avoid the Force (which is impossible), you still can't counter Jedi starfighers. [/B]

You're wrong, simple.

I and others have proven it. You're grasping.

And, no, I'm not reading that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're wrong, simple.

I and others have proven it. You're grasping.

And, no, I'm not reading that.

Woah woah woah...

Ok, let me get this straight.

I come up with a detailed argument supporting Star Wars.

And you say, "you're wrong, simple" as a rebuttal? A one liner that has no proof backing it up and does not actually respond to my argument (which provided all of the things you requested)?

How is that debating?

YOU AND THE OTHERS HAVE NOT PROVEN IT WRONG! YOU HAVE TRIED TO PROVE IT WRONG, BUT I REFUTED YOUR PROOFS! IF YOU STILL WANT TO HOLD ON TO YOUR PROOFS, ACTUALLY RESPOND TO MY ARGUMENTS!!!!!

Originally posted by ares834
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This is still going on... Looking on the last couple of pages all I see are people throwing around insults, making faulty arguments, and saying I pwned you. It really disgusting. BTW both sides are at fault here.

Tell me how my argument is flawed.

Dadudemon: I keep on asking you to show me the posts where you proved my arguments wrong.

Dadudemon, my patience for you is at the breaking point.

You are NOT debating. I would post an argument, and you would respond by saying "you're wrong, simple".

How is that valid at all? That sentence does not provide any supporting evidence.

It's like a defendant provides video evidence that he wasn't there during a murder, and then the persecutor is like "you're wrong, simple".

Actually DEBATE.

Please, read over some of the posts that you've made. You are NOT debating. You are not providing evidence.

I have asked for the posts where you apparently did, but you IGNORE me when I ask you. You respond with a COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT answer.

Me: how was your day today?
You: yes.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's poor tactics to win a debate, imo. You initially stated what the Jedi side had at their disposal, adding to it now only shows that you're trying to force (haha, get it?) a Jedi win, when one couldn't be had in the original thread set-up.

AKA, you just RJ'd it.