Originally posted by dadudemon
He'll be speed blitzed and decapped before he knows what happened.
Wtf? How do vampires decapitate Jedi?
Also, there's a difference between speed and reaction time. Even if the vampires had infinite speed they'd still have to react first, but the Jedi have better reactions times, as shown when they can deflect blaster bolts (and sometimes even dodge them) and have pre cog.
You have provided no evidence to even suggest that the vampires have reaction times of any significance compared to the Jedi.
Wrong.
EU isn't allowed here.
The EU is part of the same universe as the films; if we were to use the Jedi Order as it canonically was than this thread would be an even bigger spite and the Jedi Order would win by even more. You know this, and thus try to deny the Jedi CANON evidence, because the Jedi as they OFFICIALLY are > vampires; even you would admit that.
Oh, and this logic is used against you when you admitted that the vampires don't move in a blur in the movies, which means that they would move slow enough for the Jedi to see them clearly. And the Jedi only need a split second and the vampires are done for.
No one in all 6 films blocked blaster bolt fire with their bare hand. No one. the only one that did was Vader and his "armor" was sturdy enough to mostly block a light saber strike.
Now GTFO outta here with your that fanboy sh*t.
That's a self defeating argument. If Vader's armor was durable enough to resist lightsaber bolts, then why did you argue for the vampire side in that other thread? Surely Vader would be immune to the vampires!
Seen one time and used one time and never was it shown to be employed in combat. It still doesn't even come close to the Twivamps speed.
You're being hypocritical. The Twilight vampires never showed 9000 mph speed in their fights, hence, by your own logic, your argument is defeated.
That youtube video showed the vampires moving slower than blaster bolts, which the Jedi can deflect casually.
Not allowed because it wasn't a tool given in the OP or a few short posts later. Deal with it. 🙂
You're right, it's very lame debating because the points were already made and they were beat down. Stop repeating the same points.
I don't keep ignoring them, you keep ignoring the points that were already made that make your points fail. That's your fault.
In the USA vs Roman Empire thread in the General Discussion page, I think that you were in that one and/or the Modern USA vs WW2 World one. Either way, you cited the US navy's aircraft carriers as an argument supporting the USA. That's valid, since those aircraft carriers are part of the US Navy which is part of the USA. But here you don't let me use the same logic. You're acting like a hypocrite. The Jedi starfighters are part of the Jedi Order. Therefore, the Jedi win easily, as the Twilight vampires cannot counter starfighters.
That's cause the combat vs. running was already addressed and you are a huge waste of space. Stop it.
Why don't you actually show me this post instead of claiming that it was already proven? That's what you keep on doing; referring to some unshown post and claiming that it's proof.
No, they aren't worth responding to.
Shit argument. You're not debating properly. You first have to prove that they aren't worth responding to, because just saying it doesn't make it true. Of course, then you'd end up having to respond to it anyway, but you know as well as I that your excuse is an insulting lie.
Otherwise I could just dismiss your entire argument because "it isn't worth responding to" without proof and then you would lose the debate.
And anybody that couldn't counter a claim could just say what you're saying.
See?
You're basically saying "nu uh!" without providing any proof or evidence.
The use of force has long been beaten down horribly. Stop using it as it's fail.
I WAS REFUTING THOSE CLAIMS!
As I said, you are using circular reasoning, a technique used by dictators to spread lies and BS.
Guy says argument X
I say rebuttal A
You say "oh that's already been countered by the argument A!"
See the stupidity in that?
Besides, the arguments that you are referring to were outright lies. The Force doesn't need to lock on to the vampires, and THE VAMPIRES DO NOT MOVE AS FAST AS YOU CLAIM! I PROVED this with that youtube video.
Vampires fight far faster than a Jedi can react.
Bullshit. I proved in that youtube video that the vampires don't fight faster than, say, blaster bolts, which Jedi can deflect from multiple angles at once.
The move too fast for a force user to even be able to employ the force against them.
Again, bullshit. The Force isn't limited by speed or distance. The Force can hit anything regardless of how fast its moving or how far away it is. The Force does not miss.
They are too strong and fast for the force to affect them with things like force push.
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The Force doesn't work like that. The Force can move someone regardless of how strong or fast that person may be. You're making shit up without ANY evidence.
The Vampires have gifts that you continue to ignore, making this even more of a cake walk for the Vamps.
The only one that has been brought up occasionally is that of Alice's pre cog, which is near useless in this thread. Even if she sensed an attack coming, she wouldn't have time to warn the other vampires and even if she did they wouldn't be able to do jack to stop it.
You keep using EU bullsh*t which I should be reporting but am too nice to do. (Cause deep down inside, I still like you. 🙂 )
1. Explain to me how the EU is "bullsh*t" when it's canon according to the creator of Star Wars George Lucas, the ultimate authority when it comes to Star Wars
2. Explain to me why you deny EU evidence even though it is part of the same universe as the movies. Do you admit that the Jedi Order as it actually is (taking into account all canon SW works) would crush Twilight?
3. You yourself admitted that the movie Twilight vampires can't move as fast as the book vampires, so your EU argument actually works against you.
4. You called me mentally challenged before, which is very insulting. So STFU.