Originally posted by marwash22
HWKA... chill out, dude.
Please read over some of the arguments from both sides. You'll see that it is:
Me: Jedi win *states evidence*
Dadudemon: I'm not going to bother responding cause I already proved it!
Me: Jedi win *states evidence again* and can you please show me where you proved it?
Dadudemon: I didn't bother reading this post.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Woah woah woah...Ok, let me get this straight.
I come up with a detailed argument supporting Star Wars.
And you say, "you're wrong, simple" as a rebuttal? A one liner that has no proof backing it up and does not actually respond to my argument (which provided all of the things you requested)?
How is that debating?
YOU AND THE OTHERS HAVE NOT PROVEN IT WRONG! YOU HAVE TRIED TO PROVE IT WRONG, BUT I REFUTED YOUR PROOFS! IF YOU STILL WANT TO HOLD ON TO YOUR PROOFS, ACTUALLY RESPOND TO MY ARGUMENTS!!!!!
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Tell me how my argument is flawed.Dadudemon: I keep on asking you to show me the posts where you proved my arguments wrong.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Dadudemon, my patience for you is at the breaking point.You are NOT debating. I would post an argument, and you would respond by saying "you're wrong, simple".
How is that valid at all? That sentence does not provide any supporting evidence.
It's like a defendant provides video evidence that he wasn't there during a murder, and then the persecutor is like "you're wrong, simple".
Actually DEBATE.
Please, read over some of the posts that you've made. You are NOT debating. You are not providing evidence.
I have asked for the posts where you apparently did, but you IGNORE me when I ask you. You respond with a COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT answer.
Me: how was your day today?
You: yes.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Please read over some of the arguments from both sides. You'll see that it is:Me: Jedi win *states evidence*
Dadudemon: I'm not going to bother responding cause I already proved it!
Me: Jedi win *states evidence again* and can you please show me where you proved it?
Dadudemon: I didn't bother reading this post.
You're wrong and you know you're wrong.
The arguments have already been brought up and come and gone. You ignored them.
How many times have I told you this?
And, here's actually what happens:
You: Vamps lose because the jedi are X
Multiple people: *posting massive evidence for why Vamps pwn the utter living crap out of X and all items like X*
You: Nuh uhhh! Because of X.
Eveyone else: Posting X again.
You: Nuh uh! X!
M<e: "already replied and covered that"
And so forth.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You're wrong and you know you're wrong.The arguments have already been brought up and come and gone. You ignored them.
How many times have I told you this?
And, here's actually what happens:
You: Vamps lose because the jedi are X
Multiple people: *posting massive evidence for why Vamps pwn the utter living crap out of X and all items like X*
You: Nuh uhhh! Because of X.
Eveyone else: Posting X again.
You: Nuh uh! X!
M<e: "already replied and covered that"And so forth.
You're lying. Multiple people have not posted massive evidence in which I already didn't counter. Give me one example of this. The only massive (but flawed) evidence that was posted for Twlight was in that other thread and in the first few pages of this thread. Since then, you have been responding to my threads by either saying that you didn't bother to read it, that I'm wrong (but you don't state any reasons) or that my posts have already been countered. When I ask you to give me examples where my posts have been countered that I myself didn't already counter, you ignore me. From what I can tell, you still are.
Basically, give me examples that I haven't countered!
And no, some BS about the vampires moving at 9000 mph is not evidence, as I already proved that evidence wrong (and nobody tried defending it, including you, who would ignore my disproving of the idea).
Also, none of that evidence that you claim is there mentioned Jedi starfighers.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You're lying. Multiple people have not posted massive evidence in which I already didn't counter. Give me one example of this. The only massive (but flawed) evidence that was posted for Twlight was in that other thread and in the first few pages of this thread. Since then, you have been responding to my threads by either saying that you didn't bother to read it, that I'm wrong (but you don't state any reasons) or that my posts have already been countered. When I ask you to give me examples where my posts have been countered that I myself didn't already counter, you [b]ignore me. From what I can tell, you still are. [/B]
I will not be going through the threads and reposting posts that you can read for yourself.
You do it. 😐
And you've even posted evidence, yourself, that pwned your arguments. 😬
Originally posted by dadudemon
I will not be going through the threads and reposting posts that you can read for yourself.You do it. 😐
And you've even posted evidence, yourself, that pwned your arguments. 😬
Just show me ONE example where someone made an argument supporting Twilight that I did not counter and disprove.
If you cannot cite the sources that you are referring to, then you cannot use them.
Oh, and how so?
And again, none of your posts effecitvely explain how the Vampires deal with Jedi starfighers.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Just show me ONE example where someone made an argument supporting Twilight that I did not counter and disprove.
You have that backwards. You mean you want me to show you one example where someone made an argument supporting Twlight that you did counter and disprove.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
If you cannot cite the sources that you are referring to, then you cannot use them..
The movies. 😬
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Oh, and how so?
With the living force.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And again, none of your posts effecitvely explain how the Vampires deal with Jedi starfighers.
Starfighters which won't be allowed in this thread and can't be used, right?
🙂
I've already pwned that argument, too.
Show me this massive cache of Jedi Starfighters, please. 🙂
On top of that, show me why a Jedi Starfighter would last any amount of time against an anti-aircraft missile that locks onto the target based on things other than a heat signature? Can you, using the movies, show me where a Jedi Starfighter launched counter measures against the many different types of launch and forget missile types?
Please?
Originally posted by dadudemon
You have that backwards. You mean you want me to show you one example where someone made an argument supporting Twlight that you did counter and disprove.
Logical fallacy. Of course you would make little effort to provide an example that would help MY side. I've provided examples where I have disproved an argument supporting Twilight, such as the "omg the vampires resist using physical strenght!" lie. You now need to support your claim that have ignored a major argument. The burden of proof is on the person that made the claim.
The movies. 😬
But you haven't listed a single example in which the vampires move at 9000 mph DURING A FIGHT.
With the living force.
W.T.F.?
That has NOTHING to do with my question.
Starfighters which won't be allowed in this thread and can't be used, right?
I've already explained how they are allowed many times. You've quoted my post and then said "oh I'm not bothering to read it (which means that you concede).
🙂I've already pwned that argument, too.
Show me this massive cache of Jedi Starfighters, please. 🙂
On top of that, show me why a Jedi Starfighter would last any amount of time against an anti-aircraft missile that locks onto the target based on things other than a heat signature? Can you, using the movies, show me where a Jedi Starfighter launched counter measures against the many different types of launch and forget missile types?
Please?
Remember the ROTS space battle where Anakin dodges and successfully gets rid of those space age missiles moving fast enough to keep up with a space age fighter capable of going at multiple times the speed of an F22?
Oh, and the Twilight vampires wouldn't get SAMs or anything like that because they don't have it as part of their arsenal. However, the Jedi Order DOES have access to Jedi starfighters just like how the USA has access to aircraft carriers and F22s.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS in that post you have already stated. I posted a rebuttal, but you would ignore it...and then say your original argument again without responding to my rebuttal.
dadudemon, Force lightning is a dark side trait therefore all Jedi (save Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade and Jaina) do not use it. There are several different types of Force lightning and the most devasting is the purplish/blue. It just doesn't strike like a bolt, it can be focused and encompass the target for long durations (see Sidious in RoTS & RoTJ). Another piece of evidence, Force lightning can show the skeletal structure of whatever the target. It is a perversation of the Force. I'd like to see Felix counter someone of Sidious's power . . . the most powerful Sith in history. Vader with a thought could snap his neck and throw him away like yesterday's newspaper. If Felix saw the yellow eyes of a Sith Lord full of hatred, Felix would shit his pants.
In combat, nobody can fight at full speed. Why do you think at the Battle of Geonesis, Jedi did not fight fully using Force-augmented speed? You have yet to present evidence of one-on-one combat. The Force encompasses everything and the Jedi and Sith manipulate it.
Oh yeah, here is a Sith Lord's song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_hMpDFDkzY
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
dadudemon, Force lightning is a dark side trait therefore all Jedi (save Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade and Jaina) do not use it.
EU.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
There are several different types of Force lightning and the most devasting is the purplish/blue.
EU.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
It just doesn't strike like a bolt, it can be focused and encompass the target for long durations (see Sidious in RoTS & RoTJ).
Glad I said "arc" right?
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Another piece of evidence, Force lightning can show the skeletal structure of whatever the target.
K, but you're telling this to the wrong person, you know that, right?
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
It is a perversation of the Force.
No it is not. It was seen as that, by some, but if you are familiar with a little bit of the post BBY novels, you'd know that force lightening in it's many different forms is used by "light-side" force users...
Wait, you knew that and you posted some of their names.
Are you going to talk circles on me, too?
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
I'd like to see Felix counter someone of Sidious's power . . .
You have that backwords.
I'd like to see Sidous counter someone of Felix's power.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
the most powerful Sith in history.
Indeed. A Sith that would fall before a very low-level twivamp.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Vader with a thought could snap his neck and throw him away like yesterday's newspaper. If Felix saw the yellow eyes of a Sith Lord full of hatred, Felix would shit his pants.
Vader could not snap his neck at all. More likely, he'd try, and Felix would laugh at his feeble attempt at trying to break a neck that can with stand dozens of tons of force with no apparent affect.
Also, Vamps don't shit. 😐
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
In combat, nobody can fight at full speed. Why do you think at the Battle of Geonesis, Jedi did not fight fully using Force-augmented speed? You have yet to present evidence of one-on-one combat. The Force encompasses everything and the Jedi and Sith manipulate it.Oh yeah, here is a Sith Lord's song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_hMpDFDkzY
Simple: NONE of the Jedi are ever seen fighting while using "force speed." Ever. None. No one. It is against canon to have anyone trying to fight like that. You try to bring EU abilities into this because there is no leg to stand on.
And evidence of one on one combat has been presented several times. Everyone has yet to acknowledge and they like to pretend it wasn't presented.
I would post something Twlighty....but it's just too damn gay. 🙁
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Logical fallacy.
Logical fallacy: I can prove a positive, but not a negative.
You have no clue what a logical fallacy is.
That's twice you've failed on logical fallacies. Don't bring them up unless you know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
But you haven't listed a single example in which the vampires move at 9000 mph DURING A FIGHT.
This is a Strawman.
In no way are the vamps required to move at all, much less 9000 Mph, to win a fight against the Jedi.
Guess why?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
W.T.F.?That has NOTHING to do with my question.
Stupid questions deserve stupid answers.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I've already explained how they are allowed many times. You've quoted my post and then said "oh I'm not bothering to read it (which means that you concede).
I will not respond to this point again. That can't be used. If they are used, the Vamps use anti-aircraft fire-and-forget missiles before the fight even begins. Nulled.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Remember the ROTS space battle where Anakin dodges and successfully gets rid of those [b]space age missiles moving fast enough to keep up with a space age fighter capable of going at multiple times the speed of an F22? [/B]
You mean 1250Km/h?
Right.
Speed of an F-22: Greater than Mach 2. Mach 2 is greater than 2000Km/h.
However, no where in all of the films do we ever see a Jedi Starfighter, fighting, anywhere near 1250Km/h.
On screen feats, only, remember?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Oh, and the Twilight vampires wouldn't get SAMs or anything like that because they don't have it as part of their arsenal. However, the Jedi Order DOES have access to Jedi starfighters just like how the USA has access to aircraft carriers and F22s.
I disagree. If you get to randomly add weapons after a thread has been going on for pages and pages, weapons that are accessible to the Vampires are theirs as well.
The Vampires get nukes, too. They get aircraft carriers, too. They also get access to EMP nukes (nukes designed to create the largest EMP as possible.)
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS in that post you have already stated. I posted a rebuttal, but you would ignore it...and then say your original argument again without responding to my rebuttal.
No, I replied.
You talked about some new stuff. 🙂
See, it's not so bad actually talking about new stuff.
Originally posted by Robtard
There:
OMG! How DARE you post a video that's been posted over and over again!
😆
Originally posted by dadudemon
Logical fallacy: I can prove a positive, but not a negative.You have no clue what a logical fallacy is.
That's twice you've failed on logical fallacies. Don't bring them up unless you know what you're talking about.
The burden of proof is on the person that made a claim.
This is a Strawman.
In no way are the vamps required to move at all, much less 9000 Mph, to win a fight against the Jedi.
Guess why?
My math showed that the vampires would have to be able to instantly accelerate at 5000 mph (and you haven't proved that they go that fast either) and that's being VERY lenient in that it doesn't factor in the slowing of momentum upon hitting a Jedi. Not to mention that the Jedi with pre cog would get to attack first; there's a difference between speed and reaction time.
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Stupid questions deserve stupid answers.
How is asking for proof for an unsupported claim a stupid question?
I will not respond to this point again. That can't be used. If they are used, the Vamps use anti-aircraft fire-and-forget missiles before the fight even begins. Nulled.
I have said this over 5 times by now. The vampires do not have fire and forget missile systems, or any missile systems, in their arsenal. Nulled.
You mean 1250Km/h?
Right.
Speed of an F-22: Greater than Mach 2. Mach 2 is greater than 2000Km/h.
However, no where in all of the films do we ever see a Jedi Starfighter, fighting, anywhere near 1250Km/h.
On screen feats, only, remember?
First, you ignored Anakin's Starfighter's feat of fooling those missiles (who were shown to be far more advanced than any Earth missile.
Second, in our PMs you said that you accept EU content as long as it does not directly contradict G canon. According to EU material Jedi starfighters when using their deflector shields go at 12,000 km/h, far faster than any jet fighter or missile has ever gone in real life history as of 2010 AD.
Oh, and Obi Wan's Jedi Starfighter took direct hits from Slave 1 and survived. According to canon EU sources (which you accept in our PMs as long as they don't contradict G canon); actually, I'm not sure if it's EU since it's basically a factbook in this case, the Slave 1 laser cannons had a firepower of 64000 GW per shot. And it has a firing rate of over 400 shots per minute. Each shot would release more energy than the energy that the entire United States uses in an entire year!
I disagree. If you get to randomly add weapons after a thread has been going on for pages and pages, weapons that are accessible to the Vampires are theirs as well.
How are they accessible to the vampires?
The Vampires get nukes, too. They get aircraft carriers, too. They also get access to EMP nukes (nukes designed to create the largest EMP as possible.)
No, I replied.
You talked about some new stuff. 🙂
See, it's not so bad actually talking about new stuff.
The vampires don't have access to that weaponry. Such are advantages that the Jedi get for being a space age, well funded organization instead of a bunch of powerful but not nearly as advanced or powerful vampires.
OMG! How DARE you post a video that's been posted over and over again!
😆
1. Only one person had posted it, and it was recently.
2. Felix is among the most powerful vampires; not all would be able to move that fast.
3. Felix still isn't moving fast enough to instant kill the Jedi as you claim.
As I showed in my calculations, even if there were 100 vampires (even though not that many were named, and only named ones are allowed as I specified in the OP), they were to catch the Jedi completely by surprise, would not be slowed down by hitting a Jedi, would be able to react that fast, would be able to one shot a Jedi and would all succeed, would STILL have to move at 5000 mph or so to win. That's no plausible. The Jedi win, unless if you show me proof that vampires can FIGHT at 5000 mph.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The burden of proof is on the person that made a claim.
Which would be you, of course. 🙂
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
My math showed that the vampires would have to be able to instantly accelerate at 5000 mph (and you haven't proved that they go that fast either) and that's being VERY lenient in that it doesn't factor in the slowing of momentum upon hitting a Jedi. Not to mention that the Jedi with pre cog would get to attack first; there's a difference between speed and reaction time.
We certainly see them instantly accelerate, even in slow mo.
And, no, your math is totally off. We don't even see anything close to 10,000 Jedi.
Maybe 200, at the most, for all of the 6 films (not counting padawans and younglings, of course). 🙂
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Is is asking for proof for an [b]unsupported claim a stupid question? [/B]
No, asking a question that you already know the answer to is a stupid question. Obviously. 😉
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I have said this over 5 times by now. The vampires do not have fire and forget missile systems, or any missile systems, in their arsenal. Nulled.
They do. I said they do because I pulled it out of my ass at the end of a long thread, just like you did.
See how that works? 🙂
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
First, you ignored Anakin's Starfighter's feat of fooling those missiles (who were shown to be far more advanced than any Earth missile.
Right, the same missiles that had a travel speed far slower than almost all fire-and-forget missiles humans have.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Second, in our PMs you said that you accept EU content as long as it does not directly contradict G canon. According to EU material Jedi starfighters when using their deflector shields go at 12,000 km/h, far faster than any jet fighter or missile has ever gone in real life history as of 2010 AD.
That's not what I said.
I said, "I don't accept it if it contradicts G-Level canon, of couse. But you do."
I've caught you directly lying, twice, in less than 30 minutes. 🙂
Now, you COULD make an argument that I IMPLIED that I accepted the EU materials IF it didn't contradict G-Level canon...but...there's this pesky problem of me also saying this:
"I'm not changing my stance at all. It's not allowed in the MVF."
So not only did you lie, you stated the exact opposite of what I said.
Also, show me 1 example of the Jedi StarFighters having shields. 🙂
If you DO find that in one of the 6 films, then show me an example of any Starfighter (not in a FTL ring), that is traveling at more than 1000Km/h
Also, the Slave 1's shots do not have 64,000 GW per shot. A guide book and wiki can tell you that but it is not scene releasing that much energy on screen. Remember, if it contradicts G-Level canon, it's wrong. If it's not scene on screen, it's wrong. 🙂
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
How are they accessible to the vampires?
The entirety of humanity is accessible to the Vampires. No human army can stand against just 20 newborns, remember?
Oh, wait, you didn't know that because you don't know shit about the twivamps. 😬
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The vampires don't have access to that weaponry.
They do as long as you add random items in the thread.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You've still ignored the video and have failed to explain why the vampires don't go anywhere near 5000 mph, the ABSOLUTE LOWEST NUMBER that they would have to go.
And you've ignored everything I stated which makes your entire point, a complete failure.
Here it is again:
"This is a Strawman.
In no way are the vamps required to move at all, much less 9000 Mph, to win a fight against the Jedi.
Guess why?"
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. Only one person had posted it, and it was recently.
2. Felix is among the most powerful vampires; not all would be able to move that fast.
3. Felix still isn't moving fast enough to instant kill the Jedi as you claim.As I showed in my calculations, even if there were 100 vampires (even though not that many were named, and only named ones are allowed as I specified in the OP), they were to catch the Jedi completely by surprise, would not be slowed down by hitting a Jedi, would be able to react that fast, would be able to one shot a Jedi and would all succeed, would STILL have to move at 5000 mph or so to win. That's no plausible. The Jedi win, unless if you show me proof that vampires can FIGHT at 5000 mph.
1. No he wasn't.
2. Felix definitely is among the most physically powerful. Edward was in a highly weakened state, btw. He had not eaten in about 2 months. Yet, he was able to get the drop on Felix. 🙂 (I'll give you a hint: it's cause Edward is really really fast.)
3. Felix is. He's moving like the Flash, while the scene is in slow mo.
You're calculations mean absolute crap because what you used was not canon. 🙂
I've explained this already.
Still, a vamp move so fast in combat that it wouldn't matter, anyway.
One vamp could take them all out.
Originally posted by dadudemon
None of my arguments have been faulty, ever. 🙂
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Tell me how my argument is flawed.
Wow that one was far easier to say why it was flawed.
Edit: I am not going to take sides and will not argue again.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Which would be you, of course. 🙂
Not in this case.
We certainly see them instantly accelerate, even in slow mo.
And, no, your math is totally off. We don't even see anything close to 10,000 Jedi.
Maybe 200, at the most, for all of the 6 films (not counting padawans and younglings, of course). 🙂
Well if you count factbooks as G canon then yes there are 10,000 Jedi.
But if you don't, then you could argue to there being even more. The Jedi are a galaxy spanning order that have been around for tens of thousands of years.
No, asking a question that you already know the answer to is a stupid question. Obviously. 😉
Except that in this case I don't know the answer.
They do. I said they do because I pulled it out of my ass at the end of a long thread, just like you did.
See how that works? 🙂
Jedi startfighers are PART of the Jedi Order like how F22s are part of the USA when I made those two separate USA vs threads in the General discussion forum and you cited vehicles for the USA.
Vampires do not use missiles, nor would they know how to operate them.
Right, the same missiles that had a travel speed far slower than almost all fire-and-forget missiles humans have.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
WTF? You seriously think that a space age society that can travel at millions of times the speed of light can't make missiles that outrun ours?
That's not what I said.
I said, "I don't accept it if it contradicts G-Level canon, of couse. But you do."
I've caught you directly lying, twice, in less than 30 minutes. 🙂
Now, you COULD make an argument that I IMPLIED that I accepted the EU materials IF it didn't contradict G-Level canon...but...there's this pesky problem of me also saying this:
"I'm not changing my stance at all. It's not allowed in the MVF."
But do you admit that, if we were to take the full canon form of the Jedi Order and not some stripped down one that is not allowed canon evidence, the Jedi would win easily?
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Also, show me 1 example of the Jedi StarFighters having shields. 🙂
Not until you show me one example of vampires moving faster than a Jedi could react.
If you DO find that in one of the 6 films, then show me an example of any Starfighter (not in a FTL ring), that is traveling at more than 1000Km/h
In ANH tie fighters traveled hundreds of thousands of miles in a matter of hours, and in ANH the Millennium Falcon traveled between planets in a matter of days or weeks(without using hyperdrive).
The entirety of humanity is accessible to the Vampires. No human army can stand against just 20 newborns, remember?
Are you suggesting that in the 30 minutes of prep time the vampires get they're going to locate a US missile base, hack into its defense systems and get it back within range of the Jedi Temple?
roftl
Oh, wait, you didn't know that because you don't know shit about the twivamps. 😬
Says you that thinks that the Force can be resisted by physical strength.
They do as long as you add random items in the thread.
A Jedi starfighter isn't a random item; they're part of the Jedi Order.
And you've ignored everything I stated which makes your entire point, a complete failure.
Here it is again:
"This is a Strawman.
In no way are the vamps required to move at all, much less 9000 Mph, to win a fight against the Jedi.
Guess why?"
HOW much less that 9000 mph? My calculations (despite being VERY lenient with the vampires; the actual number is likely FAR higher) show that they have to move at about 5000 mph, and not even Felix, one of the most powerful of the vampires, can move that fast in combat.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Not in this case.
Yes it would. Now hop to it.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Well if you count factbooks as G canon then yes there are 10,000 Jedi.But if you don't, then you could argue to there being even more. The Jedi are a [b]galaxy
spanning order that have been around for tens of thousands of years.[/B]
We can only go what was seen on screen and it is no-where even close to 10,000 or even 1000.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Except that in this case I don't know the answer.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Jedi startfighers are PART of the Jedi Order like how F22s are part of the USA when I made those two separate USA vs threads in the General discussion forum and you cited vehicles for the USA.Vampires do not use missiles, nor would they know how to operate them.
"I will not respond to this point again. That can't be used. If they are used, the Vamps use anti-aircraft fire-and-forget missiles before the fight even begins. Nulled."
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
WTF? You seriously think that a space age society that can travel at millions of times the speed of light can't make missiles that outrun ours?
It wasn't seen on screen. You can't just give people abilities and tech that was never shown on screen.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
But do you admit that, if we were to take the full canon form of the Jedi Order and not some stripped down one that is not allowed canon evidence, the Jedi would win easily?
No, they still wouldn't because if we got into the "EU" then we would have to use "comparable" materials and, in the books, the Vamps are FAR faster fighters than in the films. They literally fight like the Flash (prolly not nearly as fast as a full-out Flash, of course.) No amount of precog will help them when they, get this, can't move fast enough to react to their precog vision.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Not until you show me one example of vampires moving faster than a Jedi could react.
I already have.
And, no, you can't use them, anyway, because it's too late.
"I will not respond to this point again. That can't be used. If they are used, the Vamps use anti-aircraft fire-and-forget missiles before the fight even begins. Nulled."
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
In ANH tie fighters traveled hundreds of thousands of miles in a matter of hours, and in ANH the Millennium Falcon traveled between planets in a matter of days or weeks(without using hyperdrive).
A Tie-fighter is a not a Starfighter, it's a Tiefighter.
The Millennium Falcon is not a Starfighter, it's a YT-1300 Light Freighter.
BUT!
"I will not respond to this point again. That can't be used. If they are used, the Vamps use anti-aircraft fire-and-forget missiles before the fight even begins. Nulled."
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Are you suggesting that in the 30 minutes of prep time the vampires get they're going to locate a US missile base, hack into its defense systems and get it back within range of the Jedi Temple?roftl
Why would they need to hack into a US missile base when:
1. Alice's visions work as soon as a decisions is made.
2. Gimping characters so certain outcomes can be obtained, is not allowed.
3. Saying Alice only has 30 minutes to have her visions would be gimping and against the rules.
4. When it was already stated that no human army could stand against just 20 newborn vampires, much less a highly intelligent and old coven like the Volturi's or the Cullens.
5. Edward can read minds.
6. Aro can read every thought that anyone has ever had in their entire life, with just a touch.
7. Vampires have already been proven to be able to run absurdly fast over land.
8. The Rebels or Empire forces would STILL have to locate the vampires and the Vampires could be completely hidden in far less than 30 minutes, making it impossible for anyone to defeat them except for the Death Star from a distance.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Says you that thinks that the Force can be resisted by physical strength.
This point has already been thoroughly beaten down and will not be responded to, anymore.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
A Jedi starfighter isn't a random item; they're part of the Jedi Order.
"I will not respond to this point again. That can't be used. If they are used, the Vamps use anti-aircraft fire-and-forget missiles before the fight even begins. Nulled."
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
HOW much less that 9000 mph? My calculations (despite being VERY lenient with the vampires; the actual number is likely FAR higher) show that they have to move at about 5000 mph, and not even Felix, one of the most powerful of the vampires, can move that fast in combat.
"...your math is totally off. We don't even see anything close to 10,000 Jedi.
Maybe 200, at the most, for all of the 6 films (not counting padawans and younglings, of course)."