Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes it would. Now hop to it.
No, YOU made a claim.
We can only go what was seen on screen and it is no-where even close to 10,000 or even 1000.
That's BS and you know it. There are numerous references to there being 10,000 Jedi.
No, you do know the answer. It's just that...well, I can't tell you why you don't realize that you know the answer already because it was, for once, be an actual insult.
If you still refuse to provide a reason, then your claim is null. Claiming that I already know is simply an excuse to not have to provide evidence.
"I will not respond to this point again. That can't be used. If they are used, the Vamps use anti-aircraft fire-and-forget missiles before the fight even begins. Nulled."
You don't get it. Jedi starfighers are part of the Jedi Order. The vampires don't have access to missile systems. Just because you say that they can't be used doesn't mean that they can't
It wasn't seen on screen. You can't just give people abilities and tech that was never shown on screen.
That's a pure, outright lie. Jedi starfighters were shown on screen numerous times.
No, they still wouldn't because if we got into the "EU" then we would have to use "comparable" materials and, in the books, the Vamps are FAR faster fighters than in the films. They literally fight like the Flash (prolly not nearly as fast as a full-out Flash, of course.) No amount of precog will help them when they, get this, can't move fast enough to react to their precog vision.
In EU material Jedi can move faster than the eye can see and often times hold up hundreds of tons with the Force. Oh, and then my tens of thousands of gigawatts of energy generated by the blasts would be valid.
I already have.
And, no, you can't use them, anyway, because it's too late.
"I will not respond to this point again. That can't be used. If they are used, the Vamps use anti-aircraft fire-and-forget missiles before the fight even begins. Nulled."
SHOW ME. I keep on asking you this. There is no logical explanation as to why you can't bother posting it again (I'm willing to post my argument over and over when you ignore them) other than that you're bluffing.
A Tie-fighter is a not a Starfighter, it's a Tiefighter.
A starfigher is a term for space planes.
The Millennium Falcon is not a Starfighter, it's a YT-1300 Light Freighter.
BUT!
"I will not respond to this point again. That can't be used. If they are used, the Vamps use anti-aircraft fire-and-forget missiles before the fight even begins. Nulled."
The Millennium Falcon would have comparable speeds to a starfighter. Tie fighters, which are starfighters and actually less advanced that a Jedi starfighter, were able to keep up with the Millennium Falcon.
Oh, and the vampires don't have fire and forget missile systems. The battle takes place IN THE JEDI TEMPLE. How are the vampires going to get to the United States, which is a long time after in a galaxy far far away?
Why would they need to hack into a US missile base when:
1. Alice's visions work as soon as a decisions is made.
2. Gimping characters so certain outcomes can be obtained, is not allowed.
3. Saying Alice only has 30 minutes to have her visions would be gimping and against the rules.
4. When it was already stated that no human army could stand against just 20 newborn vampires, much less a highly intelligent and old coven like the Volturi's or the Cullens.
5. Edward can read minds.
6. Aro can read every thought that anyone has ever had in their entire life, with just a touch.
7. Vampires have already been proven to be able to run absurdly fast over land.
8. The Rebels or Empire forces would STILL have to locate the vampires and the Vampires could be completely hidden in far less than 30 minutes, making it impossible for anyone to defeat them except for the Death Star from a distance.
1. Huh?
2. Huh?
3. Read the OP again.
4. You don't get it. The vampires have to locate a missile base, hack into it, figure out how to operate it and get it back to the battlefield within 30 minutes, and even then they'd be useless against Jedi starfighters.
5. Good for him.
6. Good for him.
7. Good for them.
8. WTF? Why are you suddenly mentioning the Rebels and the Empire? Oh, and any major SW civilization would easily defeat the vampires. That's an argument that you'd get pwned in.
This point has already been thoroughly beaten down and will not be responded to, anymore.
Bullshit statement. You can't simply state that the argument has already been defeated without showing the argument.
"I will not respond to this point again. That can't be used. If they are used, the Vamps use anti-aircraft fire-and-forget missiles before the fight even begins. Nulled."
"they can't be used" - how so? Because you say so? Stop making statements that have no evidence to support it.
"...your math is totally off. We don't even see anything close to 10,000 Jedi.
Maybe 200, at the most, for all of the 6 films (not counting padawans and younglings, of course)."
And I was giving the vampires more than that of which are named as well, and there are indeed 10,000 Jedi as of the PT.
Oh, and a quote from stardestoyer.net:
"Laser Cannons
TIE fighters are armed with "laser cannons", although the characteristics of these cannons are anything but laser-like. The nature and properties of laser cannons are both very well known and there is no need to repeat a discussion of those phenomena here unless you recruits have been neglecting your studies. However, we have some preliminary analysis on a possible quantification of those weapons in Federation units.
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From Luke Skywalker's strafing run in the Battle of Yavin, a single hit upon the unshielded surface of the Death Star could be seen to cause a large flash of superheated material, enough to engulf an entire X-Wing fighter and cause thermal damage to its hull despite its shields. Since armor is not flammable and lasers do not create wide-area flashes directly, one can conclude that large portions of the Death Star's surface buildings are flashing to vapor during Luke's strafing run.
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Because of the shallow angle of approach and the fact that the flashes vary in size and brightness, it is difficult to gauge the actual amount of destruction being done. However, in order to create a flash of vapour the size of an X-wing fighter, the individual blasts must be vapourizing at least one cubic metre of metal each. This is a very conservative estimate since the gas also had to shoot away from the surface so quickly it intercepted the hurtling starfighter, but it will have to suffice. At least 60GJ is required to vaporize a single cubic metre of ordinary iron, so this provides a lower limit for starfighter laser cannon energy."