Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Look at what you just said here. This is HWKA's point. I knew you would say this, word for word.
Right. Dadudemon's statement was hypocritical. Based on video evidence the vampires do not move as fast in actual combat as dadudemon lies about. That guy really is a spammer.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallFirst off, I'm not someone who gets butthurt when someone disagrees with me, so no need to qualify your reply by saying you respect my opinion. My scenario has nothing to do with speed, it has everything to do with Renata's ability to deflect all harm and make people not even want to attack her.
The problem is that, although I respect your opinion, it is not based on evidence. Felix and Renata would get Force pulled + lightsaber stabbed. The vampires cannot stop either of these. Oh, and don't start with the "omg vampires are so fast" BS that dadudemon keeps sprouting; I've disproved this in a lot of my other posts. BTW, the Force does not miss, does not have a range limitation and if lifted by the Force a non Force sensitive person cannot escape it while the Jedi is still holding him/her in place.
Originally posted by Robtard
That isn't necessarily true, considering weight(and possibly mass) affects how efficiently a Force-user can use Force-telekinesis.EG, Darth Maul was able to easily and effortlessly pick-up and toss a bit of rubble, while Yoda had to strain and it took him more time to move the falling pillar/ceiling. If weight(mass?) doesn't factor into the equation, we're to assume that Darth Maul is more adept in the Force(telekinesis) than Yoda. Which isn't so.
Except that, when held in place, the Twilight vampires will not be able to exert their muscles, and strength does not equate to weight.
Originally posted by marwash22
First off, I'm not someone who gets butthurt when someone disagrees with me, so no need to qualify your reply by saying you respect my opinion. My scenario has nothing to do with speed, it has everything to do with Renata's ability to deflect all harm and make people not even want to attack her.
Except that the Force is not a physical attack, and from what I know that shield thingy that Renata uses only protects against physical attacks.
Ok, to all those Twilight fans that still think that Twilight would actually stand even a glimmer of chance:
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The pro Twilight arguments center around arguments ranging from twisted facts to outright lies.Maybe the vampires can run at 9000 mph when there's a long, straight running field and they get time to accelerate, but in a fight [b]the vampires move slower than blaster bolts, which Jedi can easily deflect
.The claims about vampires moving to fast for the Jedi to use the Force is a combination of a twisted truth (which is explained in the previous paragraph) and an outright lie. The Force doesn't need to lock on to a target; the Force isn't limited by distance and it cannot. miss. To you get it? The Force cannot miss.
The claims about vampires being able to shrug off the Force due to their immense strength is an outright lie. A Force grip cannot be broken through by pure physical strength. [/B]
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Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Let's say that the 10,000 Jedi stand in a 100 by 100 formation. They'll probably stand shoulder width apart, which would be about 3/4 of a meter. The Jedi will probably stand about 4 meters apart to allow for room to fight. Their width from the front to back of their body (I'm not talking about left to right, I'm talking about front to back) would be about 6 inches. That means that a 100 by 100 formation would be about 475 meters by 400 meters and 600 inches.There are, based on what I know, far less than 100 NAMED Twilight vampires, but let's say that there somehow were (and this is being generous to the Twilight side, but doesn't change the fact that the Jedi side wins). Each vampire could, if somehow properly organized this well, assault one column of Jedi. The Jedi formation would be about 400 meters and 600 inches, aka 415.24 meters.
Given the very good reaction time of the Jedi, each vampire would have to assault a column in about 1/4 of a second. To move 415.24 meters per 1/4 of a second would take a speed of 1 660.96 meters per second, or 5979.456 miles per hour.
And this isn't taking into account the fact that they have to also attack while doing this, and their momentum would slow down when they (or if they) hit a Jedi. Their reaction time would have to be fast enough to attack while running that fast. Looking at that youtube video I posted earlier, it's obvious that the vampires don't run that fast, not to mention that YOU CAN HEAR THE SOUND OF THEM RUNNING IN SYNC, SHOWING THAT THEY DON'T RUN ANY FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF SOUND! 5979.456 is SEVERAL TIMES the speed of sound. Not to mention that EVERY vampire would have to succeed; if one Jedi column survives, then the vampires are screwed.
And more than that would survive; the Jedi would win, possibly without any casualties.
There you go. [b]Mathematical proof
that the Jedi win. [/B]
The above arguments are definite proof that the Jedi win. Also, the Jedi have Jedi starfighters, which are part of the Jedi Order.
The Jedi also greatly outnumber the Twilight vampires.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallDDM is a great guy, a dear friend of mine. He, like I, can be a bit stubborn, that's all.
Right. Dadudemon's statement was hypocritical. Based on video evidence the vampires do not move as fast in actual combat as dadudemon lies about. That guy really is a spammer.
Bottom line is that the Jedi were shown using force speed, so they can use it here. High end feat.
Dadudemon and Hewhoknowsall, either debate civilly or just leave the thread.
I'm tired of the both of you going back and forth calling each other name after name and being unable to hold a civil debate.
Christ-on-his-Cross, people, it's a debate. Have fun with it.
I'll issue warnings and close the thread if this continues.
Anyone who feels that I should intervene and make a judgment, just PM me and I'll do so. My apologies for my absenteeism, but work has been dreadfully busy.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
After all, Edward was shown ONCE stopping a van with his bare hand, and the Twi crowd has ridden that feat into the ground.
Yeah; although impressive, that has little to do with speed, nor will such strength do anything against the Force.
The vampire have NO defense against the Force!
Speed idea - debunked, as the vampires can't move that fast in an actual fight, as I proved.
Strength idea - debunked, as a Force grip cannot be broken through by physical strength alone.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallIt's not really a "shield." It's more of an attention diverter. If someone were in her face and attacked her, oblivious to her powers, she would be attacked.
Except that, when held in place, the Twilight vampires will not be able to exert their muscles, and strength does not equate to weight.Except that the Force is not a physical attack, and from what I know that shield thingy that Renata uses only protects against physical attacks.
Originally posted by marwash22lgIGSFHOiUM&feature=related
I appreciate that you actually made an argument countering mine, unlike, say, dadudemon, and I'll admit that the vampires were moving pretty darn fast. However, it still isn't fast enough to blitz and defeat 10,000 Jedi before the Jedi can react; as soon as the Jedi can react, it's Force pull + lightsaber stab and the vampires are done for.
Originally posted by marwash22
again, why is this still open? You peeps need to work out your Twilight butthurt issues in other ways than making spite threads. What if i were to make an "Avenger vs. Jedi" thread?... it would be petty, wouldn't it.
It's a gauntlet; it's typical for the last few rounds of a gauntlet to be a spite. Oh, and I agree that the vampires are, depending on their numbers and level of quality, wtf pwned at round 7, 8 or 9. 10 is a spite, but apparently dadudemon thinks otherwise, while constantly ignoring my argument that Twilight vampires cannot move as fast as he claims IN AN ACTUAL FIGHT, and my mathematical proof that the Twilight vampires get stomped on.
Any people that think that Twilight could clear this guantlet please read this:
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The pro Twilight arguments center around arguments ranging from twisted facts to outright lies.Maybe the vampires can run at 9000 mph when there's a long, straight running field and they get time to accelerate, but in a fight [b]the vampires move slower than blaster bolts, which Jedi can easily deflect
.The claims about vampires moving to fast for the Jedi to use the Force is a combination of a twisted truth (which is explained in the previous paragraph) and an outright lie. The Force doesn't need to lock on to a target; the Force isn't limited by distance and it cannot. miss. To you get it? The Force cannot miss.
The claims about vampires being able to shrug off the Force due to their immense strength is an outright lie. A Force grip cannot be broken through by pure physical strength. [/B]
Originally posted by marwash22Twilight butthurt? Then why am I on amazon.com as we speak pricing the DVD's and books?
again, why is this still open? You peeps need to work out your Twilight butthurt issues in other ways than making spite threads. What if i were to make an "Avenger vs. Jedi" thread?... it would be petty, wouldn't it.
DDM is a fanboy, he has an "I love Edward" tat on his ass, so why waste your time. and don't ask how i know he has a tat on his ass, that's our business. 😮
As for the gauntlet format, they're supposed to get hard, even questionable, but not impossible.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi'cause you're ghey.
Twilight butthurt? Then why am I on amazon.com as we speak pricing the DVD's and books?
Originally posted by marwash22Nah.
DDM is a fanboy, he has an "I love Edward" tat on his ass, so why waste your time. and don't ask how i know he has a tat on his ass, that's our business. 😮As for the gauntlet format, they're supposed to get hard, even questionable, but not impossible.
'cause you're ghey.