Twilight Vampires run the Star Wars gauntlet

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You know as well as me that you either didn't carefully read it or are making up an excuse not to answer because you CAN'T.

You have NOT proved that the vampires can move as fast as you claim IN COMBAT, which is basically the only defense that the vampires could possibly have against the Force. In fact, you actually accidentally disproved it while trying to refute my complaint about the (canon according to George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars) EU.

No, this:

Originally posted by dadudemon
It was so full of fail that it was a waste of time to even reply to.

I don't understand how asking for proof that vampires can move as fast as you claim IN COMBAT, NOT IN A RACE is "full of fail". It's a valid question, because a commercial airliner (as you used as a comparison) needs to accelerate and cannot do 90 turns (or can it?).

Your feats providing evidence for the speed of Twilight vampires (which is pretty much your only argument that you have) involve vampires RUNNING IN A MORE OR LESS STRAIGHT LINE!!!!! You haven't shown any feats that show that the vampires can move that fast in a fight when they also have to do stuff such as dodge, attack, and not run into a pillar or other object in the Jedi Temple while running that fast.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Good god, man.

"Do you see why I don't like discussing this anymore?

You just repeated the same thing that you already stated, just with slightly different wording.

You've brought nothing new to the conversation and it doesn't even begin to counter what I just said. "

It was so full of fail that it was a waste of time to even reply to.

Yes, I am that arrogant and, no, it's not the first time I've ignored wastes of time.

Aaaahaha!!!! heartbeat

Originally posted by One Free Man
they'd just meld back together after lightsaber slashes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You really think a Force push is going to do jack to the Twivamps? I doubt it.

edit: Also, stop being such a ****tard douche in debates. Its annoying to read.

Well it's about time, dammit.

Sure it wouldn't!!!! This is where you post PROOF a force push would do nothing to a Twivamp.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I don't understand how asking for proof that vampires can move as fast as you claim IN COMBAT, NOT IN A RACE is "full of fail". It's a valid question, because a commercial airliner (as you used as a comparison) needs to accelerate and cannot do 90 turns (or can it?).

Your feats providing evidence for the speed of Twilight vampires (which is pretty much your only argument that you have) involve vampires RUNNING IN A MORE OR LESS STRAIGHT LINE!!!!! You haven't shown any feats that show that the vampires can move that fast in a fight when they also have to do stuff such as dodge, attack, and not run into a pillar or other object in the Jedi Temple while running that fast.

They can't prove it.

I think that one thing we can all agree on here is that the Jedi, in order to win here, they must have the necessary reaction speed to deal with the Twivamps, yeah? Realizing the danger, then moving their lightsabers/force attacks in time to counter it?

Just answer yes or no, then I will post what I am fairly certain is proof that the Jedi do, in fact, have the needed reaction speed.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I think that one thing we can all agree on here is that the Jedi, in order to win here, they must have the necessary reaction speed to deal with the Twivamps, yeah?

Not according to you.

Speed......What difference does it make if the Twivamps are faster? The Jedi will know where the Twivamps will be before they get there. Wait, haven't I said that? Even the fattest, most out of shape Jedi, IF their precog was working, would be able to determine where and when he would be attacked. It's simple: Sense danger, extend lightsaber, hold on while it cuts. If the Jedi precog is working as it should, this isn't even open for debate. hell, the Jedi could be a buncha fatass Hutts and still win.

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Originally posted by Placidity
Not according to you.

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"Reaction speed", dude, not "speed" speed. If the Jedi can sense and move to intercept the Twivamps attacks, then the Jedi have the necessary "reaction speed."

It's an incredibly simple question.

Again, the Twilight fans have yet to show that the vampires have a COMBAT speed capable of beating 10,000 Jedi before they can react. Obviously the vampires do not have combat speeds that high, and the Jedi merely need a split second to pwn the vampires as I have proven in some of my other posts. Other SW supporters such as Rogue Jedi have as well.

Jedi win. The speed blitz argument for the vampires is BS due to the lack of proof that vampires have the combat speed to kill 10,000 Jedi in a split second. The only significant speed feats for the vampires that were brought up involved long, straight runs, not combat speed and mobility.

Jedi win.

Well said 👆

I'll administer the final nail in the coffin in a bit, at work now.

OK. What I said here:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I think that one thing we can all agree on here is that the Jedi, in order to win here, they must have the necessary reaction speed to deal with the Twivamps, yeah? Realizing the danger, then moving their lightsabers/force attacks in time to counter it?

Just answer yes or no, then I will post what I am fairly certain is proof that the Jedi do, in fact, have the needed reaction speed.

Now. Read on:

Exhibit A. Obi Wan and Qui Gon repelling auto blaster fire from 8 battle droids. FF to 5:27. The two Jedi were shrouded in smoke, they couldn't even SEE the droids, blocked their blaster fire AND redirected it at them.

Also, Obi Wan and Qui Gon blocking blaster fire from two Droidekas. FF to 6:40.

Also, force speed. The Jedi are at least 200 feet away in a second.

YouTube video

Exhibit B. Anakin and Obi Wan in ROTS. FF to the 7:10. I think this speaks for itself.
YouTube video

Exhibit C. FF to 1:09. Obi Wan is running up the stairs and there are two super battle droids firing full auto blaster fire on him from two feet away. Obi Wan blocks every bolt and makes scrap metal of them.
YouTube video

Exhibit D. Luke Skywalker blocking blaster fire from two men, both of whom are a foot or two away. FF to 2:34.

Luke on the sail barge. Surrounded by Jabba's thugs. He blocks all of their blaster fire, minus the one he took in the hand. At 4:19, he does it again, two men, right in their faces, blocking BOTH of their blaster fire!!!!

YouTube video

So, it's fairly obvious that the Jedi DO have the reaction speed to deal with the Twivamps. I could go on and on, but these four vids are more than enough proof.

Add on precog enabling them to know where and how every Twivamp will be attacking from 3-4 seconds in advance, and force speed, not to mention their force attacks, yeah, the Jedi win easily here.

Originally posted by dadudemon

It was so full of fail that it was a waste of time to even reply to.

Yes, I am that arrogant and, no, it's not the first time I've ignored wastes of time.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK. What I said here:

Now. Read on:

Exhibit A. Obi Wan and Qui Gon repelling auto blaster fire from 8 battle droids. FF to 5:27. The two Jedi were shrouded in smoke, they couldn't even SEE the droids, blocked their blaster fire AND redirected it at them.

Also, Obi Wan and Qui Gon blocking blaster fire from two Droidekas. FF to 6:40.

Also, force speed. The Jedi are at least 200 feet away in a second.

YouTube video

Exhibit B. Anakin and Obi Wan in ROTS. FF to the 7:10. I think this speaks for itself.
YouTube video

Exhibit C. FF to 1:09. Obi Wan is running up the stairs and there are two super battle droids firing full auto blaster fire on him from two feet away. Obi Wan blocks every bolt and makes scrap metal of them.
YouTube video

Exhibit D. Luke Skywalker blocking blaster fire from two men, both of whom are a foot or two away. FF to 2:34.

Luke on the sail barge. Surrounded by Jabba's thugs. He blocks all of their blaster fire, minus the one he took in the hand. At 4:19, he does it again, two men, right in their faces, blocking BOTH of their blaster fire!!!!

YouTube video

So, it's fairly obvious that the Jedi DO have the reaction speed to deal with the Twivamps. I could go on and on, but these four vids are more than enough proof.

Add on precog enabling them to know where and how every Twivamp will be attacking from 3-4 seconds in advance, and force speed, not to mention their force attacks, yeah, the Jedi win easily here.

Another post where you ignore something that makes your entire point fail.

Placidity already addressed this point and burried it.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Again, the Twilight fans have yet to show that the vampires have a COMBAT speed capable of beating 10,000 Jedi before they can react. Obviously the vampires do not have combat speeds that high, and the Jedi merely need a split second to pwn the vampires as I have proven in some of my other posts. Other SW supporters such as Rogue Jedi have as well.

Jedi win. The speed blitz argument for the vampires is BS due to the lack of proof that vampires have the combat speed to kill 10,000 Jedi in a split second. The only significant speed feats for the vampires that were brought up involved long, straight runs, not combat speed and mobility.

Jedi win.

dadudemon is not a twilight fan.

He is a Star Wars fan, big time.

And all points have been pwned.

Repeating the same failed arguments doesn't magically change the fact that they were pwned.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I don't understand how asking for proof that vampires can move as fast as you claim IN COMBAT, NOT IN A RACE is "full of fail". It's a valid question, because a commercial airliner (as you used as a comparison) needs to accelerate and cannot do 90 turns (or can it?).

Your feats providing evidence for the speed of Twilight vampires (which is pretty much your only argument that you have) involve vampires RUNNING IN A MORE OR LESS STRAIGHT LINE!!!!! You haven't shown any feats that show that the vampires can move that fast in a fight when they also have to do stuff such as dodge, attack, and not run into a pillar or other object in the Jedi Temple while running that fast.

Dang, I even mock you by posting in all caps with exclamation points, and you still freak out on me.

Anyway, you still fail as you point has already been addressed and destroyed. You inability to cope with that is not my problem.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Another post where you ignore something that makes your entire point fail.

Placidity already addressed this point and burried it.

So, now that I have proven without a doubt that a Jedi has the reaction time needed to slay many Twivamps, AND backed it up with hard core, indisputable evidence, we are back to this:

A small group of Jedi are facing twivamps. Precog enables the Jedi to, at the very least, pinpoint the general area the twivamps are in. Jedi force pushes in that direction. Fast ass twivamp is hurled backwards. Twivamp falls to the ground. Jedi force grabs twivamp before twivamp hgets to his/her feet. Jedi lifts twivamp off the ground. Jedi force pulls twivamp onto their lightsaber blade..

And this:

And here, I'll speak slow, break it down step by step for ya:

Jedi precog: Allows the Jedi to determine which direction the Twivamps are atttacking from. Front, back, left or right.

Force push: The Jedi sends out a wide force push, catching any Twivamp in a 180 degree area, sending them flying backwards.

Force grab: As the Twivamps are flying backwards, the Jedi force grab them, lift them off the ground, and slice them to pieces.

You have no argument. All you have is "Twivamps are too fast!!!" and "Fail, we already buried that, epic fail!!!"

In closing:

Jedi DO have the reaction time to deal with the Twivamps.

Precog WILL enable the Jedi to cakewalk this.

This is the part where, in a vain effort to discredit what I have posted, tell me I am full of shit. Only this time I have vids to back up what I am saying. You: Opinions.....Me: Opinions AND vids backing them up.

I win.

This is fact. It's right there in the vids. Choose to ignore it if you wish, but deep down you know you've lost.

Here, I'll post it again, just in case you had Edward Cullen's sperm in your eye:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK. What I said here:

Now. Read on:

Exhibit A. Obi Wan and Qui Gon repelling auto blaster fire from 8 battle droids. FF to 5:27. The two Jedi were shrouded in smoke, they couldn't even SEE the droids, blocked their blaster fire AND redirected it at them.

Also, Obi Wan and Qui Gon blocking blaster fire from two Droidekas. FF to 6:40.

Also, force speed. The Jedi are at least 200 feet away in a second.

YouTube video

Exhibit B. Anakin and Obi Wan in ROTS. FF to the 7:10. I think this speaks for itself.
YouTube video

Exhibit C. FF to 1:09. Obi Wan is running up the stairs and there are two super battle droids firing full auto blaster fire on him from two feet away. Obi Wan blocks every bolt and makes scrap metal of them.
YouTube video

Exhibit D. Luke Skywalker blocking blaster fire from two men, both of whom are a foot or two away. FF to 2:34.

Luke on the sail barge. Surrounded by Jabba's thugs. He blocks all of their blaster fire, minus the one he took in the hand. At 4:19, he does it again, two men, right in their faces, blocking BOTH of their blaster fire!!!!

YouTube video

So, it's fairly obvious that the Jedi DO have the reaction speed to deal with the Twivamps. I could go on and on, but these four vids are more than enough proof.

Add on precog enabling them to know where and how every Twivamp will be attacking from 3-4 seconds in advance, and force speed, not to mention their force attacks, yeah, the Jedi win easily here.

Wow.....It's BEAUTIFUL.....I'm gonna profile that. I'll file it under "Facts and evidence."

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, he posted an opinion and downplayed the reaction speed of a Jedi. I readressed the point, this time providing movie clips to back it up and prove that yes, a Jedi has more than enough reaction speed to deal with a Twivamp.

So, now that I have proven without a doubt that a Jedi has the reaction time needed to slay many Twivamps, AND backed it up with hard core, indisputable evidence, we are back to this:

[b]A small group of Jedi are facing twivamps. Precog enables the Jedi to, at the very least, pinpoint the general area the twivamps are in. Jedi force pushes in that direction. Fast ass twivamp is hurled backwards. Twivamp falls to the ground. Jedi force grabs twivamp before twivamp hgets to his/her feet. Jedi lifts twivamp off the ground. Jedi force pulls twivamp onto their lightsaber blade..

And this:

And here, I'll speak slow, break it down step by step for ya:

Jedi precog: Allows the Jedi to determine which direction the Twivamps are atttacking from. Front, back, left or right.

Force push: The Jedi sends out a wide force push, catching any Twivamp in a 180 degree area, sending them flying backwards.

Force grab: As the Twivamps are flying backwards, the Jedi force grab them, lift them off the ground, and slice them to pieces.

You have no argument. All you have is "Twivamps are too fast!!!" and "Fail, we already buried that, epic fail!!!"

In closing:

Jedi DO have the reaction time to deal with the Twivamps.

Precog WILL enable the Jedi to cakewalk this.

This is the part where, in a vain effort to discredit what I have posted, tell me I am full of shit. Only this time I have vids to back up what I am saying. You: Opinions.....Me: Opinions AND vids backing them up.

I win.

This is fact. It's right there in the vids. Choose to ignore it if you wish, but deep down you know you've lost.

Here, I'll post it again, just in case you had Edward Cullen's sperm in your eye:

Wow.....It's BEAUTIFUL.....I'm gonna profile that. I'll file it under "Facts and evidence." [/B]

You missed what I was referring to. Oh well.

Still doesn't change what I said, as usual. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
You missed what I was referring to. Oh well.

Still doesn't change what I said, as usual. 😐

What? That the Jedi are more than fast enough to deal with Twivamps? That Jedi battle precog will reign supreme here?

No, I got that.

See, once again, I totally used my precog to predict you saying

Another post where you ignore something that makes your entire point fail.

Placidity already addressed this point and burried it.

and

You missed what I was referring to. Oh well.

Still doesn't change what I said, as usual.

It's what you do when you find yourself painted into a corner. You'll say I missed this, didn't get that, in a vain effort to save face.

No. I got everything you and he said. I got it, countered it, buried it.

Tee to the HEE.

YouTube video

Originally posted by dadudemon
You missed what I was referring to. Oh well.

Still doesn't change what I said, as usual. 😐

WHY DO YOU IGNORE THIS:

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Again, the Twilight fans have yet to show that the vampires have a COMBAT speed capable of beating 10,000 Jedi before they can react. Obviously the vampires do not have combat speeds that high, and the Jedi merely need a split second to pwn the vampires as I have proven in some of my other posts. Other SW supporters such as Rogue Jedi have as well.

Jedi win. The speed blitz argument for the vampires is BS due to the lack of proof that vampires have the combat speed to kill 10,000 Jedi in a split second. The only significant speed feats for the vampires that were brought up involved long, straight runs, not combat speed and mobility.

Jedi win.

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO PROVING THAT THE VAMPIRE HAVE A COMBAT SPEED AS HIGH AS YOU CLAIM!

And no, showing their speed in a long distance run is NOT valid in this scenario.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
WHY DO YOU IGNORE THIS:

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO PROVING THAT THE VAMPIRE HAVE A COMBAT SPEED AS HIGH AS YOU CLAIM!

And no, showing their speed in a long distance run is NOT valid in this scenario.

Yes we have. You ignored it, like usual.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What? That the Jedi are more than fast enough to deal with Twivamps? That Jedi battle precog will reign supreme here?

No, I got that.

See, once again, I totally used my precog to predict you saying

[b]Another post where you ignore something that makes your entire point fail.

Placidity already addressed this point and burried it.

and

You missed what I was referring to. Oh well.

Still doesn't change what I said, as usual.

It's what you do when you find yourself painted into a corner. You'll say I missed this, didn't get that, in a vain effort to save face.

No. I got everything you and he said. I got it, countered it, buried it.

Tee to the HEE.

YouTube video [/B]

It's what I do when you reply with the same exact argument that has been pwned, not when I'm in a corner.

It's like, you don't even read the posts.

So why should I bother saying the same exact thing, over and over, again? 😐

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
WHY DO YOU IGNORE THIS:

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO PROVING THAT THE VAMPIRE HAVE A COMBAT SPEED AS HIGH AS YOU CLAIM!

And no, showing their speed in a long distance run is NOT valid in this scenario.

When I said:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

It's what you do when you find yourself painted into a corner. You'll say I missed this, didn't get that, in a vain effort to save face.

No. I got everything you and he said. I got it, countered it, buried it.

Tee to the HEE.

YouTube video

The prophecy was fulfilled:

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes we have. You ignored it, like usual.

It's what I do when you reply with the same exact argument that has been pwned, not when I'm in a corner.

It's like, you don't even read the posts.

So why should I bother saying the same exact thing, over and over, again? 😐

See what I mean?

There is no proof for them. It doesn't exist, dude. It's all "You ignored this, already covered that, you missed that."

They're like the captain of the Titanic, going down with their ship. Blub bub blub.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes we have. You ignored it, like usual.

It's what I do when you reply with the same exact argument that has been pwned, not when I'm in a corner.

It's like, you don't even read the posts.

So why should I bother saying the same exact thing, over and over, again? 😐

Except that you haven't. Heck, you actually accidentally admitted the opposite when we were talking about the books.

Please show me the post where you show the combat speed of the vampires instead of claiming that you already did.

And by proof, it should be proof that the vampires can move so fast in actual combat that they can kill 10,000 Jedi before those Jedi can even react. Obviously they can't kill 10,000 Jedi that fast; they'd be hard press to even cause a single casualty.

You lose, and your immature insults aren't helping. You idea about the vampires moving at 9000 miles in actual combat (were you referring to combat speed? If not, then your claim was no relevant to the topic) is ridiculous, as they obviously don't fight that fast here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyJZaWbau8

See? THEY AREN'T MOVING AS FAST AS YOU CLAIM!!!!!!!!!!

The youtube video shows the vampires moving fast, but not fast enough to kill 10,000 Jedi before the Jedi can react, as you claim.

The Jedi only need one split second and the vampires are DONE FOR.

Also, even if the vampires were somehow able to blitz the Jedi (even though the Jedi have pre cog and can deflect automatic space age blaster fire) they wouldn't be able to one shot the Jedi. Jedi have fallen thousands of feet before and landed without injury.

Therefore, the pro Twilight argument is wrong. It assumes that:

1. The vampires can attack 10,000 Jedi before the Jedi can react, which is FALSE, as in the movies the vampires don't move that fast in combat.
2. The vampires' attacks can kill the Jedi before the Jedi can react, which is FALSE, because Jedi are very durable, as shown when in AOTC Anakin fell thousands of feet and landed without injury.

Some Twilight supporters briefly tried to state that the vampires can "walk through a Force push like it was nothing", but quickly abandoned it upon seeing that they couldn't prove that ridiculous claim.

Now the pro Twilight argument rests on the vampires blitzing 10,000 Jedi and killing them in a split second, which is ridiculous because a) the vampires can't move that fast in combat, as I have shown and b) Jedi have very high durability, as I have shown. Oh, and the Jedi have pre cog and high combat speed as well.

Therefore, the Jedi win.

Rogue Jedi: I appreciate your support, but please remember to keep this post viewable, as it sums up the pro Jedi argument and disproves the pro Twilight argument. If you post another argument, the Twilight fans will take that as an excuse to respond to the latest post and ignore this one.