Twilight Vampires run the Star Wars gauntlet

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Except that you haven't. Heck, you actually accidentally admitted the opposite when we were talking about the books.

Please show me the post where you show the combat speed of the vampires instead of claiming that you already did.

And by proof, it should be proof that the vampires can move so fast in actual combat that they can kill 10,000 Jedi before those Jedi can even react. Obviously they can't kill 10,000 Jedi that fast; they'd be hard press to even cause a single casualty.

You lose, and your immature insults aren't helping. You idea about the vampires moving at 9000 miles in actual combat (were you referring to combat speed? If not, then your claim was no relevant to the topic) is ridiculous, as they obviously don't fight that fast here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyJZaWbau8

See? THEY AREN'T MOVING AS FAST AS YOU CLAIM!!!!!!!!!!

The youtube video shows the vampires moving fast, but not fast enough to kill 10,000 Jedi before the Jedi can react, as you claim.

The Jedi only need one split second and the vampires are DONE FOR.

Also, even if the vampires were somehow able to blitz the Jedi (even though the Jedi have pre cog and can deflect automatic space age blaster fire) they wouldn't be able to one shot the Jedi. Jedi have fallen thousands of feet before and landed without injury.

More yelling, more wasted time, with nothing new to add to the thread.

Proof has been provided that the Jedi don't stand a chance.

That should be all you need. 🙂

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Therefore, the pro Twilight argument is wrong. It assumes that:

1. The vampires can attack 10,000 Jedi before the Jedi can react, which is FALSE, as in the movies the vampires don't move that fast in combat.
2. The vampires' attacks can kill the Jedi before the Jedi can react, which is FALSE, because Jedi are very durable, as shown when in AOTC Anakin fell thousands of feet and landed without injury.

Some Twilight supporters briefly tried to state that the vampires can "walk through a Force push like it was nothing", but quickly abandoned it upon seeing that they couldn't prove that ridiculous claim.

Now the pro Twilight argument rests on the vampires blitzing 10,000 Jedi and killing them in a split second, which is ridiculous because a) the vampires can't move that fast in combat, as I have shown and b) Jedi have very high durability, as I have shown. Oh, and the Jedi have pre cog and high combat speed as well.

Therefore, the Jedi win.

Rogue Jedi: I appreciate your support, but please remember to keep this post viewable, as it sums up the pro Jedi argument and disproves the pro Twilight argument. If you post another argument, the Twilight fans will take that as an excuse to respond to the latest post and ignore this one.

Nah, the Jedi can attack, they'll just hit air. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
More yelling, more wasted time, with nothing new to add to the thread.

Proof has been provided that the Jedi don't stand a chance.

That should be all you need. 🙂

Nah, the Jedi can attack, they'll just hit air. 🙂

WTF?

This is what happens:

I make a huge argument
Then you say "nu uh!"

You claim that it has already been "proven", but I'M REFUTING THOSE CLAIMS!

Why are you so desperate to avoid actually debating? You probably know as well as I that you are avoiding actually backing up your claim because you can't. Instead of being mature and admitting that you lost this argument, you keep on claiming that your side has already been proven when my argument is REBUTTAL to yours.

What? That's stupid beyond recognition. I've been more civil than any of these other major debaters on this topic, but my patience is coming to an end. The FORCE doesn't miss. Do you get it? The vampires can't "dodge" the Force any more than they can dodge gravity.

I've READ all of your so called "proofs". NONE prove that the vampires have a combat speed as high as you claim. In fact, that youtube video that I posted earlier disproves it.

Oh, and you accidentally ADMITTED that the vampires don't have that high of a combat speed:

Originally posted by dadudemon

And, no, if EU were allowed then so would the books and the movies would all be thrown out becuase they grossly misrepresent the vampires speed. Bella describes it as more of a blur to seemingly instance movement. The movies don't capture that very well, except for the Edward and Felix fight, which is not even canon.

There; your entire argument is in pieces.

Twilight plan fails because the vampires aren't fast enough (as you yourself admitted) and aren't strong enough either, as I showed in many earlier posts.

Jedi plan:

Jedi turn on their lightsabers
Jedi Force pull vampires
Jedi stab vampires
Jedi win

Your arguments to counter this were:

"Nah vampires can resist the Force" - debunked and abandoned long ago until you suddenly bring it up now with no evidence to support it.

"vampire will kill 10,000 Jedi before they can react!!!!" - debunked by your own words, by evidence of fights in the movies in which the vampires don't move that fast, by the fact that the Jedi have pre cog (as well as very high combat speeds) and by the fact that the Jedi have very high durability.

Try looking over your posts. You say "oh it's already been proven that Twilight wins" even though I am REFUTING those "proofs". To cite the original argument as proof against a rebuttal to said argument is so idiotic that I'm trying as hard as possible to not bash you.

I'm pretty sure that I'm going to get a response like "nu uh"! in which you don't actually respond to my arguments but instead say a one liner that doesn't address the points that I made.

Or maybe you'll suprise me and actually quote my argument and then seperate into pieces in which you counter each part like it's traditionally done.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Oh, and you accidentally ADMITTED that the vampires don't have that high of a combat speed:

Hi.

My name is dadudemon on KMC.

And I know how to read. You did not understand what was said there. You just owned yourself.

Have a good day!

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
WTF?

This is what happens:

I make a huge argument
Then you say "nu uh!"

You claim that it has already been "proven", but I'M REFUTING THOSE CLAIMS!

Why are you so desperate to avoid actually debating? You probably know as well as I that you are avoiding actually backing up your claim because you can't. Instead of being mature and admitting that you lost this argument, you keep on claiming that your side has already been proven when my argument is REBUTTAL to yours.

What? That's stupid beyond recognition. I've been more civil than any of these other major debaters on this topic, but my patience is coming to an end. The FORCE doesn't miss. Do you get it? The vampires can't "dodge" the Force any more than they can dodge gravity.

I've READ all of your so called "proofs". NONE prove that the vampires have a combat speed as high as you claim. In fact, that youtube video that I posted earlier disproves it.

No, here's what happens: you make an argument that basically constitutes: nuh uh!

I continue to reply that the argument has been owned already.

Originally posted by Placidity
"If" they get past 4? IF?

Right, over 10 vampires couldn't kill one Jedi.

How the hell would they destroy a star destroyer btw?

I argee and Star wars rocks over Twilight anytime! 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, here's what happens: you make an argument that basically constitutes: nuh uh!

I continue to reply that the argument has been owned already.

Nah, you don't get it.

You made an argument. (Argument X)
I responded to said argument. (Argument A aka a rebuttal)
You are like "oh that argument has already by countered by argument X!!!"

Get it? That's circular reasoning, a common logical fallacy often used by dictatorships to sprout BS propaganda.

You have not shown that the vampires have a COMBAT speed as high as you claim. In fact, this video shows otherwise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyJZaWbau8

You have not shown that the vampires can one shot the Jedi as would have to be for you claim to work. The fact that Anakin fell thousands of feet in AOTC and landed without injury shows otherwise.

You refuse to quote my argument and then respond to each part of it like it is traditionally done (and that you used to use until you realized that you lost), even though that would take less time than the combined length of your short, unsupported posts.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Hi.

My name is dadudemon on KMC.

And I know how to read. You did not understand what was said there. You just owned yourself.

Have a good day!

I KNOW that you were trying to say something else, but by saying that something else you inadvertently admitted defeat.

You clearly can't debate well and instead resort to insults and excuses to not debate. I've heard those excuses both face to face and online so much that you really can't fool me. Arguments like "oh I'm not actually responding because it's so stupid" is obviously BS since you SUDDENLY stop wanting to respond without any previous warning signs at the same time that I make my best argument. "oh it's already been proven before" is circular reasoning.

I suspect that your response will fail to actually respond to the arguments in this post or the previous ones, but instead will be a thread that states an unsupported opinion, such as "that's been proven already" (circular reasoning) or "nah the Jedi will hit thin air" (outright lie as the Force doesn't miss).

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Nah, you don't get it.

You made an argument. (Argument X)
I responded to said argument. (Argument A aka a rebuttal)
You are like "oh that argument has already by countered by argument X!!!"

Get it? That's circular reasoning, a common logical fallacy often used by dictatorships to sprout BS propaganda.

You have not shown that the vampires have a COMBAT speed as high as you claim. In fact, this video shows otherwise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyJZaWbau8

You have not shown that the vampires can one shot the Jedi as would have to be for you claim to work. The fact that Anakin fell thousands of feet in AOTC and landed without injury shows otherwise.

You refuse to quote my argument and then respond to each part of it like it is traditionally done (and that you used to use until you realized that you lost), even though that would take less time than the combined length of your short, unsupported posts.

No, what I said.

"No, here's what happens: you make an argument that basically constitutes: nuh uh!

I continue to reply that the argument has been owned already. "

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I KNOW that you were trying to say something else, but by saying that something else you inadvertently admitted defeat.

You clearly can't debate well and instead resort to insults and excuses to not debate. I've heard those excuses both face to face and online so much that you really can't fool me. Arguments like "oh I'm not actually responding because it's so stupid" is obviously BS since you SUDDENLY stop wanting to respond without any previous warning signs at the same time that I make my best argument. "oh it's already been proven before" is circular reasoning.

I suspect that your response will fail to actually respond to the arguments in this post or the previous ones, but instead will be a thread that states an unsupported opinion, such as "that's been proven already" (circular reasoning) or "nah the Jedi will hit thin air" (outright lie as the Force doesn't miss).

No I haven't. You just have a reading comprehension problem.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, what I said.

"No, here's what happens: you make an argument that basically constitutes: nuh uh!

I continue to reply that the argument has been owned already. "

No I haven't. You just have a reading comprehension problem.

Why don't you actually respond to my argument instead of quoting my post but responding with a small phrase that either doesn't have anything to do with my argument or nitpicks and ignores the main point?

Like this one:

Twilight plan fails because the vampires aren't fast enough (as you yourself admitted) and aren't strong enough either, as I showed in many earlier posts.

Jedi plan:

Jedi turn on their lightsabers
Jedi Force pull vampires
Jedi stab vampires
Jedi win

Your arguments to counter this were:

"Nah vampires can resist the Force" - debunked and abandoned long ago until you suddenly bring it up now with no evidence to support it.

"vampire will kill 10,000 Jedi before they can react!!!!" - debunked by your own words, by evidence of fights in the movies in which the vampires don't move that fast, by the fact that the Jedi have pre cog (as well as very high combat speeds) and by the fact that the Jedi have very high durability.

Try looking over your posts. You say "oh it's already been proven that Twilight wins" even though I am REFUTING those "proofs". To cite the original argument as proof against a rebuttal to said argument is so idiotic that I'm trying as hard as possible to not bash you.

I'm pretty sure that I'm going to get a response like "nu uh"! in which you don't actually respond to my arguments but instead say a one liner that doesn't address the points that I made.

Or maybe you'll surprise me and actually quote my argument and then seperate into pieces in which you counter each part like it's traditionally done.

Let's say that the 10,000 Jedi stand in a 100 by 100 formation. They'll probably stand shoulder width apart, which would be about 3/4 of a meter. The Jedi will probably stand about 4 meters apart to allow for room to fight. Their width from the front to back of their body (I'm not talking about left to right, I'm talking about front to back) would be about 6 inches. That means that a 100 by 100 formation would be about 475 meters by 400 meters and 600 inches.

There are, based on what I know, far less than 100 NAMED Twilight vampires, but let's say that there somehow were (and this is being generous to the Twilight side, but doesn't change the fact that the Jedi side wins). Each vampire could, if somehow properly organized this well, assault one column of Jedi. The Jedi formation would be about 400 meters and 600 inches, aka 415.24 meters.

Given the very good reaction time of the Jedi, each vampire would have to assault a column in about 1/4 of a second. To move 415.24 meters per 1/4 of a second would take a speed of 1 660.96 meters per second, or 5979.456 miles per hour.

And this isn't taking into account the fact that they have to also attack while doing this, and their momentum would slow down when they (or if they) hit a Jedi. Their reaction time would have to be fast enough to attack while running that fast. Looking at that youtube video I posted earlier, it's obvious that the vampires don't run that fast, not to mention that YOU CAN HEAR THE SOUND OF THEM RUNNING IN SYNC, SHOWING THAT THEY DON'T RUN ANY FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF SOUND! 5979.456 is SEVERAL TIMES the speed of sound. Not to mention that EVERY vampire would have to succeed; if one Jedi column survives, then the vampires are screwed.

And more than that would survive; the Jedi would win, possibly without any casualties.

There you go. Mathematical proof that the Jedi win.

(sorry for the triple post)

To sum it up:

The vampires would have to move 5979.456 miles per hour each instantly even if they somehow weren't slowed down by running into a Jedi or attacking. And this is assuming that the vampires somehow have 100 on their side.

This obviously isn't possible, because in that youtube video I showed the vampires did not move any faster than the speed of sound, which is about 768 miles per hour, since the vampires didn't break the sound barrier when moving.

Therefore, even if we were to disregard the vampires' slowing down of momentum when hitting a Jedi and the fact that they have to slow down to attack the Jedi, disregard that the vampires would not have 100 on their side as this is every named vampire in Twilight not every vampire shown, disregard that the vampires wouldn't get that far in the gauntlet because they'd have gotten pwned, and disregard many other things, it is still impossible for the vampires to blitz 10,000 Jedi in 1/4 of a second.

Hence, via mathematically reasoning, the Jedi win, as it has been agreed upon that the Jedi, given time to react, would easily defeat the vampires by using a combination of lightsabers and the Force.

Meanwhile, the Force has not been shown to have any speed limit, nor does it ever miss. Therefore, if a Jedi and vampire were to do a Force push and charge respectively, the Jedi's Force push would hit first. But that scenario is unlikely to happen, as the Jedi have shown to have better reaction times; they have pre cog and can deflect blaster bolts whereas vampires often times can't block a punch.

Also, the Jedi Order would include technology that the Jedi use as well, which includes JEDI STARFIGHTERS.

headbang Flawless victory!!! headbang

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Why don't you actually respond to my argument instead of quoting my post but responding with a small phrase that either doesn't have anything to do with my argument or nitpicks and ignores the main point?

Like this one:

Twilight plan fails because the vampires aren't fast enough (as you yourself admitted) and aren't strong enough either, as I showed in many earlier posts.

Jedi plan:

Jedi turn on their lightsabers
Jedi Force pull vampires
Jedi stab vampires
Jedi win

Your arguments to counter this were:

"Nah vampires can resist the Force" - debunked and abandoned long ago until you suddenly bring it up now with no evidence to support it.

"vampire will kill 10,000 Jedi before they can react!!!!" - debunked by your own words, by evidence of fights in the movies in which the vampires don't move that fast, by the fact that the Jedi have pre cog (as well as very high combat speeds) and by the fact that the Jedi have very high durability.

Try looking over your posts. You say "oh it's already been proven that Twilight wins" even though I am REFUTING those "proofs". To cite the original argument as proof against a rebuttal to said argument is so idiotic that I'm trying as hard as possible to not bash you.

I'm pretty sure that I'm going to get a response like "nu uh"! in which you don't actually respond to my arguments but instead say a one liner that doesn't address the points that I made.

Or maybe you'll surprise me and actually quote my argument and then seperate into pieces in which you counter each part like it's traditionally done.

No, what I said.

You're still just parroting old and defeated arguments.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Let's say that the 10,000 Jedi stand in a 100 by 100 formation. They'll probably stand shoulder width apart, which would be about 3/4 of a meter. The Jedi will probably stand about 4 meters apart to allow for room to fight. Their width from the front to back of their body (I'm not talking about left to right, I'm talking about front to back) would be about 6 inches. That means that a 100 by 100 formation would be about 475 meters by 400 meters and 600 inches.

There are, based on what I know, far less than 100 NAMED Twilight vampires, but let's say that there somehow were (and this is being generous to the Twilight side, but doesn't change the fact that the Jedi side wins). Each vampire could, if somehow properly organized this well, assault one column of Jedi. The Jedi formation would be about 400 meters and 600 inches, aka 415.24 meters.

Given the very good reaction time of the Jedi, each vampire would have to assault a column in about 1/4 of a second. To move 415.24 meters per 1/4 of a second would take a speed of 1 660.96 meters per second, or 5979.456 miles per hour.

And this isn't taking into account the fact that they have to also attack while doing this, and their momentum would slow down when they (or if they) hit a Jedi. Their reaction time would have to be fast enough to attack while running that fast. Looking at that youtube video I posted earlier, it's obvious that the vampires don't run that fast, not to mention that YOU CAN HEAR THE SOUND OF THEM RUNNING IN SYNC, SHOWING THAT THEY DON'T RUN ANY FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF SOUND! 5979.456 is SEVERAL TIMES the speed of sound. Not to mention that EVERY vampire would have to succeed; if one Jedi column survives, then the vampires are screwed.

And more than that would survive; the Jedi would win, possibly without any casualties.

There you go. [b]Mathematical proof that the Jedi win. [/B]

You do realize that one estimate put the Vampires speed at 9000Mph.

Edward, apparently, ran all the way from Forks Washington to Phoenix Arizona, in 10 minutes. That's 9000Mph.

Guess you're theory is shot to shit, then, huh?

I apologize for even indulging your bla bla bla. You're so caught up in your own world.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
(sorry for the triple post)

To sum it up:

The vampires would have to move 5979.456 miles per hour each instantly even if they somehow weren't slowed down by running into a Jedi or attacking. And this is assuming that the vampires somehow have 100 on their side.

This obviously isn't possible, because in that youtube video I showed the vampires did not move any faster than the speed of sound, which is about 768 miles per hour, since the vampires didn't break the sound barrier when moving.

Therefore, even if we were to disregard the vampires' slowing down of momentum when hitting a Jedi and the fact that they have to slow down to attack the Jedi, disregard that the vampires would not have 100 on their side as this is every named vampire in Twilight not every vampire shown, disregard that the vampires wouldn't get that far in the gauntlet because they'd have gotten pwned, and disregard many other things, it is still impossible for the vampires to blitz 10,000 Jedi in 1/4 of a second.

Hence, via mathematically reasoning, the Jedi win, as it has been agreed upon that the Jedi, given time to react, would easily defeat the vampires by using a combination of lightsabers and the Force.

Meanwhile, the Force has not been shown to have any speed limit, nor does it ever miss. Therefore, if a Jedi and vampire were to do a Force push and charge respectively, the Jedi's Force push would hit first. But that scenario is unlikely to happen, as the Jedi have shown to have better reaction times; they have pre cog and can deflect blaster bolts whereas vampires often times can't block a punch.

Also, the Jedi Order would include technology that the Jedi use as well, which includes JEDI STARFIGHTERS.

I pwned it already.

And you're not even taking into consideration all of the "wonderful gifts" that he vampires have.

That's just more proof of how much you don't know about anything and why you are such a waste of space in this thread.

Tell you what: If you read all four twilight books in 2 weeks, I will then taking you more seriously...BUT ONLY IF you don't spam the same exact points over and over.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
headbang Flawless victory!!! headbang

Not at all. He failed horribly. He pwned himself. We already figured out the speed as well over 5000Mph.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, what I said.

You're still just parroting old and defeated arguments.

You do realize that one estimate put the Vampires speed at 9000Mph.

Edward, apparently, ran all the way from Forks Washington to Phoenix Arizona, in 10 minutes. That's 9000Mph.

Guess you're theory is shot to shit, then, huh?

I apologize for even indulging your bla bla bla. You're so caught up in your own world.

I pwned it already.

And you're not even taking into consideration all of the "wonderful gifts" that he vampires have.

That's just more proof of how much you don't know about anything and why you are such a waste of space in this thread.

Tell you what: If you read all four twilight books in 2 weeks, I will then taking you more seriously...BUT ONLY IF you don't spam the same exact points over and over.

Not at all. He failed horribly. He pwned himself. We already figured out the speed as well over 5000Mph.

Did you IGNORE my my explanation about how a straight run from one point to another does NOT equate to being able to move at that speed in real time combat?

That youtube video I posted shows that the vampires CANNOT fight as fast as they can run. The vampires in that fight were not breaking the sound barrier, and thus were moving slower than the speed of sound.

See? You IGNORED my arguments and insult me.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, what I said.

You're still just parroting old and defeated arguments.

You do realize that one estimate put the Vampires speed at 9000Mph.

Edward, apparently, ran all the way from Forks Washington to Phoenix Arizona, in 10 minutes. That's 9000Mph.

Guess you're theory is shot to shit, then, huh?

I apologize for even indulging your bla bla bla. You're so caught up in your own world.

I pwned it already.

And you're not even taking into consideration all of the "wonderful gifts" that he vampires have.

That's just more proof of how much you don't know about anything and why you are such a waste of space in this thread.

Tell you what: If you read all four twilight books in 2 weeks, I will then taking you more seriously...BUT ONLY IF you don't spam the same exact points over and over.

Not at all. He failed horribly. He pwned himself. We already figured out the speed as well over 5000Mph.

**** this thread.

Bewbz?

A bunch of times in which I talked about how straight up running speed is NOT combat speed (which dadudemon IGNORED in his rebuttal).

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I don't understand how asking for proof that vampires can move as fast as you claim IN COMBAT, NOT IN A RACE is "full of fail". It's a valid question, because a commercial airliner (as you used as a comparison) needs to accelerate and cannot do 90 turns (or can it?).

Your feats providing evidence for the speed of Twilight vampires (which is pretty much your only argument that you have) involve vampires RUNNING IN A MORE OR LESS STRAIGHT LINE!!!!! You haven't shown any feats that show that the vampires can move that fast in a fight when they also have to do stuff such as dodge, attack, and not run into a pillar or other object in the Jedi Temple while running that fast.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Again, the Twilight fans have yet to show that the vampires have a COMBAT speed capable of beating 10,000 Jedi before they can react. Obviously the vampires do not have combat speeds that high, and the Jedi merely need a split second to pwn the vampires as I have proven in some of my other posts. Other SW supporters such as Rogue Jedi have as well.

Jedi win. The speed blitz argument for the vampires is BS due to the lack of proof that vampires have the combat speed to kill 10,000 Jedi in a split second. The only significant speed feats for the vampires that were brought up involved long, straight runs, not combat speed and mobility.

Jedi win.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
WHY DO YOU IGNORE THIS:

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO PROVING THAT THE VAMPIRE HAVE A COMBAT SPEED AS HIGH AS YOU CLAIM!

And no, showing their speed in a long distance run is NOT valid in this scenario.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Except that you haven't. Heck, you actually accidentally admitted the opposite when we were talking about the books.

Please show me the post where you show the combat speed of the vampires instead of claiming that you already did.

And by proof, it should be proof that the vampires can move so fast in actual combat that they can kill 10,000 Jedi before those Jedi can even react. Obviously they can't kill 10,000 Jedi that fast; they'd be hard press to even cause a single casualty.

You lose, and your immature insults aren't helping. You idea about the vampires moving at 9000 miles in actual combat (were you referring to combat speed? If not, then your claim was no relevant to the topic) is ridiculous, as they obviously don't fight that fast here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyJZaWbau8

See? THEY AREN'T MOVING AS FAST AS YOU CLAIM!!!!!!!!!!

The youtube video shows the vampires moving fast, but not fast enough to kill 10,000 Jedi before the Jedi can react, as you claim.

The Jedi only need one split second and the vampires are DONE FOR.

Also, even if the vampires were somehow able to blitz the Jedi (even though the Jedi have pre cog and can deflect automatic space age blaster fire) they wouldn't be able to one shot the Jedi. Jedi have fallen thousands of feet before and landed without injury.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Therefore, the pro Twilight argument is wrong. It assumes that:

1. The vampires can attack 10,000 Jedi before the Jedi can react, which is FALSE, as in the movies the vampires don't move that fast in combat.
2. The vampires' attacks can kill the Jedi before the Jedi can react, which is FALSE, because Jedi are very durable, as shown when in AOTC Anakin fell thousands of feet and landed without injury.

Some Twilight supporters briefly tried to state that the vampires can "walk through a Force push like it was nothing", but quickly abandoned it upon seeing that they couldn't prove that ridiculous claim.

Now the pro Twilight argument rests on the vampires blitzing 10,000 Jedi and killing them in a split second, which is ridiculous because a) the vampires can't move that fast in combat, as I have shown and b) Jedi have very high durability, as I have shown. Oh, and the Jedi have pre cog and high combat speed as well.

Therefore, the Jedi win.

Rogue Jedi: I appreciate your support, but please remember to keep this post viewable, as it sums up the pro Jedi argument and disproves the pro Twilight argument. If you post another argument, the Twilight fans will take that as an excuse to respond to the latest post and ignore this one.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Oh, and you accidentally ADMITTED that the vampires don't have that high of a combat speed:

There; your entire argument is in pieces.

Twilight plan fails because the vampires aren't fast enough (as you yourself admitted) and aren't strong enough either, as I showed in many earlier posts.

Jedi plan:

Jedi turn on their lightsabers
Jedi Force pull vampires
Jedi stab vampires
Jedi win

Your arguments to counter this were:

"Nah vampires can resist the Force" - debunked and abandoned long ago until you suddenly bring it up now with no evidence to support it.

"vampire will kill 10,000 Jedi before they can react!!!!" - debunked by your own words, by evidence of fights in the movies in which the vampires don't move that fast, by the fact that the Jedi have pre cog (as well as very high combat speeds) and by the fact that the Jedi have very high durability.

Try looking over your posts. You say "oh it's already been proven that Twilight wins" even though I am REFUTING those "proofs". To cite the original argument as proof against a rebuttal to said argument is so idiotic that I'm trying as hard as possible to not bash you.

I'm pretty sure that I'm going to get a response like "nu uh"! in which you don't actually respond to my arguments but instead say a one liner that doesn't address the points that I made.

Or maybe you'll suprise me and actually quote my argument and then seperate into pieces in which you counter each part like it's traditionally done.

(not necessarily in order)

There are several other instances as well.

Then, when I asked dadudemon if he even read this argument, he said that he DID.

This means:

a) he was lying, and really didn't bother to read it
b) he read it but was incapable of comprehending basic English
c) he read it and knew that his argument was wrong, but still tried it anyway, hoping that I wouldn't notice his cheating

dadudemon, I would like you to explain why you insulted me in your post even though your argument was COMPLETELY wrong, using evidence that is NOT valid.

Again:

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Did you IGNORE my my explanation about how a straight run from one point to another does NOT equate to being able to move at that speed in real time combat?

That youtube video I posted shows that the vampires CANNOT fight as fast as they can run. The vampires in that fight were not breaking the sound barrier, and thus were moving slower than the speed of sound.

See? You IGNORED my arguments and insult me.

Therefore, you rebuttal failed, meaning that my mathematical proof still stands.

Oh, and there's still the fact that the Jedi Order would technically get Jedi Starfighters.

Again, in the fights in Twilight the vampires are not moving fast enough to break the sound barrier, thus meaning that they cannot move anywhere near what would be necesarry for them to win.

Hence, the Jedi win.

I'll assume that dadudemon will ignore this post since he can't respond to it; he only responds to the posts that he thinks he can.

Therefore dadudemon, you should withdraw all your insults that you directed at me, since you deliberately twisted facts, as shown in your post.

You have NO defense against this accusation.

And I'm getting tired of your claims that my points have been disproven. Please show me where this happened, because I read through this thread and that other one and none of them showed the vampires having combat speed that's anywhere near their running speed, nor do any come up with a defense that the vampires can use against the Force; well, some do, but they involve lies and misdirection, such as the idea that the vampires can "dodge" the Force or walk through it, which the vampires can NOT.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Did you IGNORE my my explanation about how a straight run from one point to another does NOT equate to being able to move at that speed in real time combat?

That youtube video I posted shows that the vampires CANNOT fight as fast as they can run. The vampires in that fight were not breaking the sound barrier, and thus were moving slower than the speed of sound.

See? You IGNORED my arguments and insult me.

No, but you certainly ignored everything that makes your posts a waste of space.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
A bunch of times in which I talked about how straight up running speed is NOT combat speed (which dadudemon IGNORED in his rebuttal).

(not necessarily in order)

There are several other instances as well.

Then, when I asked dadudemon if he even read this argument, he said that he DID.

This means:

a) he was lying, and really didn't bother to read it
b) he read it but was incapable of comprehending basic English
c) he read it and knew that his argument was wrong, but still tried it anyway, hoping that I wouldn't notice his cheating

dadudemon, I would like you to explain why you insulted me in your post even though your argument was COMPLETELY wrong, using evidence that is NOT valid.

Again:

Therefore, you rebuttal failed, meaning that my [b]mathematical proof still stands.

Oh, and there's still the fact that the Jedi Order would technically get Jedi Starfighters. [/B]

And the whole combat speed argument was already destroyed every last bit of wasted space that you decided to spam the internet with. It's your own fault for having a reading comprehension problem, not mine.

Also, show me where these 10,000 Jedi are, in the films? 🙂

Also, Alice could take out one million Jedi, all by herself.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
**** this thread.

Bewbz?

RJ, I am more than happy to talk about this whole thing outside of KMC, no problem.

It's just that, I think HWKA actually has a mental problem...I don't think it's good for him if I continue to reply, even if it's just to tell him he's wrong again.

Originally posted by dadudemon
RJ, I am more than happy to talk about this whole thing outside of KMC, no problem.

It's just that, I think HWKA actually has a mental problem...I don't think it's good for him if I continue to reply, even if it's just to tell him he's wrong again.

Did you IGNORE my post that shows that your 9000 mph claim is BS?

Originally posted by dadudemon
RJ, I am more than happy to talk about this whole thing outside of KMC, no problem.

It's just that, I think HWKA actually has a mental problem...I don't think it's good for him if I continue to reply, even if it's just to tell him he's wrong again.

And I'm sorry, but I gotta side with him here. If you're not gonna debate, then you prolly shouldn't post.

Just my ten cents.