Twilight Vampires run the Star Wars gauntlet

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No. What happens in the MVF stays in the MVF.

And I'm sorry, but I gotta side with him here. If you're not gonna debate, then you prolly shouldn't post.

Just my ten cents.

I am debating. He just won't move on from the points and I will never stop replying.

Also, who said anything about going outside of the MVF? 😐

Also, when will you call him on his bullshit? Every last one of his arguments are failed..especially the one about force lightning that no one called him on.

Staight fighting: it has to be over 5000MPH!!! [csm]dur[csm]
Failed.

K! It's not straight line fighting. Already pwned in the other thread in multiple ways. No way around this. How can a Jedi fight against a being that makes Palpatine look like he's moving in slow motion? Simple, the Jedi can't.

Force powers: how can the force work when the Vampires are so fast that no raising of the hand, concentrating, and directing the force, will ever make contact with the vampirs? Fail. If you think this point is worth debating, you first need to find a creature that moves as fast the the vamps (a blur, even in slow-mo), and then show the Jedi using the force on such a fast moving object. You won't find it, btw.

Then there's the problem of the gifts getting ignored, completely.

So what do we have left? Nothing. The Jedi are just food for the vampires, just the same as every other human.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I am debating. He just won't move on from the points and I will never stop replying.

Also, who said anything about going outside of the MVF? 😐

Also, when will you call him on his bullshit? Every last one of his arguments are failed..especially the one about force lightning that no one called him on.

Staight fighting: it has to be over 5000MPH!!! [csm]dur[csm]
Failed.

K! It's not straight line fighting. Already pwned in the other thread in multiple ways. No way around this. How can a Jedi fight against a being that makes Palpatine look like he's moving in slow motion? Simple, the Jedi can't.

Force powers: how can the force work when the Vampires are so fast that no raising of the hand, concentrating, and directing the force, will ever make contact with the vampirs? Fail. If you think this point is worth debating, you first need to find a creature that moves as fast the the vamps (a blur, even in slow-mo), and then show the Jedi using the force on such a fast moving object. You won't find it, btw.

Then there's the problem of the gifts getting ignored, completely.

So what do we have left? Nothing. The Jedi are just food for the vampires, just the same as every other human.

I will tell you again:

In the Twilight fight scenes, the vampires do NOT break the sound barrier. I repeat, they do NOT break the sound barrier. Therefore, they cannot fight at 9000 mph. They might be able to run that fast over long distances, but not FIGHT that fast.

Do you understand this?

Your 9000 mph claim is BS when it comes to an actual fight. Hence why the vampires don't fight that fast in the fight scenes.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I will tell you again:

In the Twilight fight scenes, the vampires do NOT break the sound barrier. I repeat, they do NOT break the sound barrier. Therefore, they cannot fight at 9000 mph. They might be able to run that fast over long distances, but not FIGHT that fast.

You see, no one ever claimed that they can fight at 9000Mph. No one, ever.

That is a running speed, though. 🙂

Suck on it.

However, they can fight far faster than any Jedi can move, which was already proven.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You see, no one ever claimed that they can fight at 9000Mph. No one, ever.

That is a running speed, though. 🙂

Suck on it.

However, they can fight far faster than any Jedi can move, which was already proven.

If they can't fight at 9000 mph, then you entire argument collapses. They obviously fight far slower than even 5000 mph, so my mathematical proof still stands. The Jedi only need a split second and the vampires are done for.

You claims about the vampires moving too fast for the Jedi to "lock on" is BS, because the Force doesn't need to "lock on".

Oh, and the Jedi have Jedi Starfighters.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
If they can't fight at 9000 mph, then you entire argument collapses.

No it doesn't, because the vampires will never ever ever ever have to fight 10,000 lined up Jedi in any scenario presented.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
They obviously fight far slower than even 5000 mph, so my mathematical proof still stands. The Jedi only need a split second and the vampires are done for.

You claims about the vampires moving too fast for the Jedi to "lock on" is BS, because the Force doesn't need to "lock on".

Oh, and the Jedi have Jedi Starfighters.

Bla bla bla.

Your entire argument is based on fail, so the conclusion is obviously going to be fail.

And, the Jedi don't have starfighters because it wasn't specified in the OP.

Fail.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No it doesn't, because the vampires will never ever ever ever have to fight 10,000 lined up Jedi in any scenario presented.

Bla bla bla.

Your entire argument is based on fail, so the conclusion is obviously going to be fail.

And, the Jedi don't have starfighters because it wasn't specified in the OP.

Fail.

You ignored my rebuttal to the "lock on" argument.

Oh, and I said the Jedi Order, which one would assume would mean all things part of the Jedi Order. Remember the USA vs Roman Empire thread? I did not need to specify that the USA would get, say, F22s, because that is a given, since they're part of the US air force, which is part of the USA.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I am debating. He just won't move on from the points and I will never stop replying.

Also, who said anything about going outside of the MVF? 😐

Also, when will you call him on his bullshit? Every last one of his arguments are failed..especially the one about force lightning that no one called him on.

Staight fighting: it has to be over 5000MPH!!! [csm]dur[csm]
Failed.

K! It's not straight line fighting. Already pwned in the other thread in multiple ways. No way around this. How can a Jedi fight against a being that makes Palpatine look like he's moving in slow motion? Simple, the Jedi can't.

Force powers: how can the force work when the Vampires are so fast that no raising of the hand, concentrating, and directing the force, will ever make contact with the vampirs? Fail. If you think this point is worth debating, you first need to find a creature that moves as fast the the vamps (a blur, even in slow-mo), and then show the Jedi using the force on such a fast moving object. You won't find it, btw.

Then there's the problem of the gifts getting ignored, completely.

So what do we have left? Nothing. The Jedi are just food for the vampires, just the same as every other human.

You know where I stand on this, bro. Though you don't agree with me, my argument is well presented and filled with tons of evidence supporting it. I am genuinely tired of discussing this. The bottom line is this: You and the Twivamp peeps think the Twivamps are too fast for the Jedi, the Jedi crowd thinks the Jedi have the reaction speed to deal with the Twivamps. And I gotta say, the vids I posted are pretty indisputable.

In the end, what does it matter? Go to one of the three new threads I just started, both of you, let this thread die.

HWKA, pm Impediment and request it closed, I would.

The Cullens would probably join forces with the Jedi anyway, man.

Oh SHIT THREAD IDEA............ 😱

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You ignored my rebuttal to the "lock on" argument.

I did not.

It's just that it was such shit it wasn't worth even replying to.

It sucked. Was wrong. Faulty. Lies. Etc. Take your pick.

It did not change anything about what I said.

The Vampires would still slaughter the Jedi or any other meatbags.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Oh, and I said the Jedi Order, which one would assume would mean all things part of the Jedi Order. Remember the USA vs Roman Empire thread? I did not need to specify that the USA would get, say, F22s, because that is a given, since they're part of the US air force, which is part of the USA.

You can only use what was seen on screen. The Jedi order comprises of just a handful of people, in the films.

And, it's far too late to give you characters ships and the like: that has to be specified in the OP or very shortly thereafter.

So, now that you know your points were crap, you've calmed down, and are giving the Jedi weapons. Basically, you know you were wrong and are now trying to give more weapons so your "favorite" can win. Don't you think that's absurdly childish and just plain o'l boring? Where's the fun in a discussion if you:

1. Don't know anything about the other side.
2. Make shit up when you lose just so you can win.
3. Back-peddle when your favorite is obviously destroyed so give them additional devices/weapons to help your favorite win.

Waste waste waste.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You know where I stand on this, bro. Though you don't agree with me, my argument is well presented and filled with tons of evidence supporting it. I am genuinely tired of discussing this. The bottom line is this: You and the Twivamp peeps think the Twivamps are too fast for the Jedi, the Jedi crowd thinks the Jedi have the reaction speed to deal with the Twivamps. And I gotta say, the vids I posted are pretty indisputable.

In the end, what does it matter? Go to one of the three new threads I just started, both of you, let this thread die.

HWKA, pm Impediment and request it closed, I would.

The Cullens would probably join forces with the Jedi anyway, man.

Oh SHIT THREAD IDEA............ 😱

I know you are tired of discussing it.

Our beef stems on the following:
A blaster bolt travels in a straight line. A vampire does not and will not and they were specifically trained to NOT do that by Jasper.

A blaster bolt is slower than a vampire, in a straight line, by far.

A vampires perception of time is much more slowed down. So far that the ability of precog is useless against them unless an opponent can move that fast...which they can't even come close.

Blows happened, at blur speed, while still in slow mo, but you denied it.

All of the gifts of the vampires are being ignored.

BTW, a blaster bolt wouldn't do jack to a vampire, yet, it turns a Jedi or other force user's into swiss cheese unless they are wearing armor suits like Vader.

Also, you're right: the Cullens would join forces with any righteous force, if not joining would cause detriment to their family.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I know you are tired of discussing it.

Our beef stems on the following:
A blaster bolt travels in a straight line. A vampire does not and will not and they were specifically trained to NOT do that by Jasper.

A blaster bolt is slower than a vampire, in a straight line, by far.

A vampires perception of time is much more slowed down. So far that the ability of precog is useless against them unless an opponent can move that fast...which they can't even come close.

Blows happened, at blur speed, while still in slow mo, but you denied it.

All of the gifts of the vampires are being ignored.

BTW, a blaster bolt wouldn't do jack to a vampire, yet, it turns a Jedi or other force user's into swiss cheese unless they are wearing armor suits like Vader.

Also, you're right: the Cullens would join forces with any righteous force, if not joining would cause detriment to their family.

They're all gay, Voldemort solos them.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They're all gay, Voldemort solos them.

Depends.

With prep, there's very few people he can't solo. (especially if Horucruxes are used.)

Without prep, he's just another meatbag that moves in slow-motion.

Originally posted by dadudemon
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Without prep, he's just another meatbag that moves in slow-motion.

He flies around, far from their reach, and levitates them, one at a time, into an active volcano.

FF to the end:

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wuuuuuuuuuut?

Originally posted by dadudemon

Without prep, he's just another meatbag that moves in slow-motion.

Originally posted by ares834
Except he can teleport away...

Sorry dadudemon, Vader and Caedus were both able to stop blaster bolts with their bare hands. Can you explain that please? Twivamps have nowhere near the power of a Sith or Jedi. Poor Edward or a Volturi if they attempted to fight Darth Sidious. I'd like to see them dodge Force lightning.

Well.....

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_speed

Force speed, also known as burst of speed or Force sprint, was a core Force power that allowed the user to maintain sprinting speeds for a brief time. Greater aptitude granted greater boosts to speed and/or greater duration. The increased speed of the Force-user enabled them to see the world and the entities around them in slow motion, allowing them to dodge attacks easily and attack quicker with greater accuracy. The power also apparently enabled the user to run for extended distances with no visible signs of fatigue.

And:

Jedi Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn were also known to be skilled in this ability, using it to escape from Trade Federation droidekas.

Just saying......

its a well established twilight fact that vamp marble glitter skin is immune to the heat of a light saber and wont get cut..

Jedi starfighters have been shown on screen. Therefore, the Jedi win since the vampires have no way to damage space age starfighters.

Dadudemon, that is not debating. You can't just say that a point is not worth responding to without showing how it's wrong. Otherwise debaters could say that to every question they can't answer.

You keep on ignoring my main points with lame and irrational excuses. You aren't debating. You are spamming. To debate you have to actually respond to an argument.

this is how you win a debate
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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
its a well established twilight fact that vamp marble glitter skin is immune to the heat of a light saber and wont get cut..