All-Star Superman Vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by biensalsa
Surfe is inside a computer, the electricity is moving in a CIRCUIT OR A MOTHERBOARD 😂

The speed of electric current
Since nothing visibly moves when the charge-sea flows, we cannot measure the speed of its flow by eye. Instead we do it by making some assumptions and doing a calculation. Let's say we have an electric current in normal lamp cord connected to bright light bulb. The electric current works out to be a flow of approximatly 3 inches per hour. Very slow!

Here's how I worked out that value. I know:

Bulb power: about 100 watts, about 100V at 1A
Value for electric current: I = 1 ampere
Wire diameter: D = 2/10 cm, radius R=.1cm
Mobile electrons per cc (for copper, if 1 per atom): Q = 8.5*10^+22
Charge per electron: e = 1.6*10^-19
The equation:

cm/sec = ________I_______ = .0023 cm/sec = 8.4 cm/hour
Q * e * R^2 * pi

I will be kind with your feat and say that it was moving faster than 3 inches per hour, BUT NOT THE SPEED OF LIGHT.

Electrical Current does not move that fast in wire

ALSO: THE SPEED OF THE CHARGES IS PROPORTIONAL TO THE VALUE OF ELECTRIC CURRENT

I know that the general conception is that electricity moves through wires at slightly less than the speed of light through wires. Whether that's a common misconception is something I've not seen definitively cemented.

But that electrical/electronic signal is not moving at 3 inches per hour. And it's not even moving through a wire (as far as I can tell).

I'd SOOOOOO drop a thousand bucks in Vegas on that if Grant Morrison was asked who would win a fight between All-Star Supes and Surfer that Grant would laugh, then go on for about 10-15 minutes on how/why Supes kicks the shit out of him.

Originally posted by Philosophía
uhuh

For shame.

How's the Hulk respect thread? Are you going to include all the versions?

Seriously... for shame darthgoober. biscuits

Quarter done. Thought with the few hundred issues I went through, it'd be farther along. But that's really just Savage Hulk and much easier. I haven't gotten to where he goes through all his changes and once I hit those issues, it's going to be that much slower.

Originally posted by Spire
how/why Supes kicks the shit out of him.

Originally posted by Spire
I'd SOOOOOO drop a thousand bucks in Vegas on that if Grant Morrison was asked who would win a fight between All-Star Supes and Surfer that Grant would laugh, then go on for about 10-15 minutes on how/why Supes kicks the shit out of him.

Originally posted by Philosophía
He was recently asked in SDCC who would win between Superman in the Cosmic Armor from Beyond and Superman Prime from DC1M.

*Bites*

Wut did he say?

Originally posted by biensalsa
Surfe is inside a computer, the electricity is moving in a CIRCUIT OR A MOTHERBOARD 😂

Originally posted by Spire
*Bites*

Wut did he say?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This. This is still wrong.

I know that the general conception is that electricity moves through wires at slightly less than the speed of light through wires. Whether that's a common misconception is something I've not seen definitively cemented.

But that electrical/electronic signal is not moving at 3 inches per hour. And it's not even moving through a wire (as far as I can tell).

In the scan SS is chasing a bit of information so it would make sense to use the energy transmission speed, which is close to lightspeed, as a reference. But the thing isn't in a wire either, it's travelling through air or vacuum. Anyway, the author who certainly ignores all of this was clearly making a point that the thing was very fast.

That scan about him and the robot proves nothing either, he did manage to outrun it, and there's no reason to assume it was slow.

^ Right. An electron itself may move slow. But what represents the actual "signal" (or the flow of information) is what's approaching the speed of light.

That isn't a single electron he's chasing, it's a signal from a processor into a CPU.

Originally posted by Philosophía
He said the one from Beyond, since he always wins.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm surprised he didn't say something like "they're the same guy" seeing as Morrison loves to weave all his Superman stories into one big meta-tale. At least IIRC All-Star Superman and Superman Prime 1-Mil are the same guy.

Originally posted by Starscream M
superman prime 1 mil IS superman

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Thank you for stating the obvious.

you just mad I informed you of something you should've known

Surfer wins. Energy drain for the win.

Originally posted by 753
The individual charges move very slowly or not at all, might just vibrate, but energy travels really fast because the metal wire is already full of charges so it's kind of like adding one to the line and making the last one drop in its end. This is what is close to lightspeed in electrical currents.

In the scan SS is chasing a bit of information so it would make sense to use the energy transmission speed, which is close to lightspeed, as a reference. But the thing isn't in a wire either, it's travelling through air or vacuum. Anyway, the author who certainly ignores all of this was clearly making a point that the thing was very fast.

That scan about him and the robot proves nothing either, he did manage to outrun it, and there's no reason to assume it was slow.

Now you are getting technical here

If it is a bit of information traveling wireless, then you have to consider the speed of the bandwidth. what type of modem, switcher, size of the file sent, Speed of the transmiter, speed of the receiver, download speed, upload speed, Also what type of precessor and RAM. Seriously you want to get into that?

I already said is not as slow as 3ft per hr, because I understand the intention of the writter, but is not the speed He was claiming which is light speed.

it was fast but not light speed, "electronic speed" is what says on panel and that is what it is.

RC CARS work on "electronic speed" WIRELESSLY!

^ You're taking him to task on getting technical?

And wireless signals travel at near the speed of light...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You're taking him to task on getting technical?

And wireless signals travel at near the speed of light...

No they are not, hAve you ever seen live television?

there is something called DELAY!

Originally posted by biensalsa
No they are not, hAve you ever seen live television?

there is something called DELAY!

I believe the speed of the data sent by that computer in space was 3 GB per second, IF she has service from Verizon 😄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You're taking him to task on getting technical?

And wireless signals travel at near the speed of light...

Even in LOCAL TV you get delay

Even if you broadcast from your own house you get delay.