Re: the problem with the bible..
Originally posted by DeanoThat was pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwJP24MzCD0&feature=relatedgood explanation really
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Re: the problem with the bible..
Originally posted by DeanoThat was pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwJP24MzCD0&feature=relatedgood explanation really
😎
does a foreign custom and laws violate the bible and gods word and law?
not really the question itself, here is the question:
if you were visiting another country and you were required to bow to a person or object and make an offering would you do it and would it be okay with god?
what does god say about being civil toward your host?
Originally posted by Quiero MotaMy father is Indian, but that was pre–partition. I came from a long line of muslims, and as such have no connection to Indian–based religions, only some aspects of their culture (such as dress, food, films, etc).
Well, aren't you of South Asian descent?
At any rate, how is any of that even relevant to a topic about the Bible? Or was that a red herring thrown at me because you took issue to my use of the word Semitic? Reading back on my post, I must point out I didn’t use that word as a pejorative. I actually meant to ally it with the word ‘ancient’ that came before it. As in ‘ancient Semitic’.
Originally posted by Rascaduanok
My father is Indian, but that was pre–partition. I came from a long line of muslims, and as such have no connection to Indian–based religions, only some aspects of their culture (such as dress, food, films, etc).At any rate, how is any of that even relevant to a topic about the [b]Bible
? Or was that a red herring thrown at me because you took issue to my use of the word Semitic? Reading back on my post, I must point out I didn’t use that word as a pejorative. I actually meant to ally it with the word ‘ancient’ that came before it. As in ‘ancient Semitic’. [/B]
Ok. I wasn't sure if you'd give more creedance to the Indian religions. But now I know you come from a Muslim line.
Is your family from the states close to Bangladesh? I once had an Indian Muslim employee. He's American, but his parents immigrated from Assam.
No. More like central Pakistan: Lahore, and environs. Great place for shopping (went for my 24th birthday anniversary) but dusty as fuck. Played hell with my asthma.
But yeah, I come from a muslim line, but if I have kids they won’t be a part of it (except culturally in terms of celebrating ‘Eid): I don’t believe in it as divinely mandated at all.
Originally posted by King Castle
does a foreign custom and laws violate the bible and gods word and law?not really the question itself, here is the question:
if you were visiting another country and you were required to bow to a person or object and make an offering would you do it and would it be okay with god?
what does god say about being civil toward your host?
"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God."
Romans 13:1
"Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor."
Romans 13:7
* Christians should be law-abiding citizens, the asset of society... 🙂
Originally posted by King Castle
its a no-no to worship emmanuel and idols and ppl do it all the time at church... 😇
* catholics... 🙄
Originally posted by King Castle
u r not suppose to worship bhuddha
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Even in Buddhism, it is a no-no. :-)
* but you have to admit, many people do worship Buddha... remember, you asked if it's okay to light a candle or incense and bow before a Buddha statue, that is an act of worship, right?
Originally posted by peejayd
* but you have to admit, many people do worship Buddha... remember, you asked if it's okay to light a candle or incense and bow before a Buddha statue, that is an act of worship, right?
There are many who do. I do not, because Buddha told us not to worship him. However, the outward appearance is not what dictates worship, but what is in a persons heart. In other words, you can worship your car, and never light incense.
Originally posted by peejaydChristians as well... plus how many times to ppl in the name of god violate foreign laws and customs?
* catholics... 🙄* but you have to admit, many people do worship Buddha... remember, you asked if it's okay to light a candle or incense and bow before a Buddha statue, that is an act of worship, right?
the missionaries in haitie come to mind.
plus... i am not aware of any Buddhist sect that worships or views Buddha as a god.
care to tell me which specific ones do that?
the basis of Buddhism is to worship no god all are equal man/god/demon the point is to break the cycle and be free.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There are many who do. I do not, because Buddha told us not to worship him. However, the outward appearance is not what dictates worship, but what is in a persons heart. In other words, you can worship your car, and never light incense.
* yup, however when you light a candle for a buddha statue, you cannot deny that what you did is an act of worship even if your heart is not in it… and, why light a candle for a buddha statue if don't worship it? I just don't get it… I mean, the mere act of worship constitutes worship, right? so if you don't worship buddha, why bother to light a candle for his statue? your belief manifests through your actions… you say you don't worship buddha so I believe you also don't light a candle for a buddha statue, am I correct?
Originally posted by King Castle
Christians as well... plus how many times to ppl in the name of god violate foreign laws and customs?the missionaries in haitie come to mind.
plus... i am not aware of any Buddhist sect that worships or views Buddha as a god.
care to tell me which specific ones do that?
the basis of Buddhism is to worship no god all are equal man/god/demon the point is to break the cycle and be free.
* take it from a buddhist… mr.shakyamunison here admits that many people worship buddha… also, in Mahayana traditions, buddha is worshipped as a god… festivals in Sri Lanka observe buddha worship… Varahapurana even states that one desirous of beauty should worship buddha…
* i'm thinking that in cases how idolatry is prohibited in Christianity but is blatantly done in catholicism, the same manner how buddha claims to reject worship yet many stubborn people still do… 🙂
Originally posted by peejayd
* yup, however when you light a candle for a buddha statue, you cannot deny that what you did is an act of worship even if your heart is not in it… and, why light a candle for a buddha statue if don't worship it? I just don't get it… I mean, the mere act of worship constitutes worship, right? so if you don't worship buddha, why bother to light a candle for his statue? your belief manifests through your actions… you say you don't worship buddha so I believe you also don't light a candle for a buddha statue, am I correct?* take it from a buddhist… mr.shakyamunison here admits that many people worship buddha… also, in Mahayana traditions, buddha is worshipped as a god… festivals in Sri Lanka observe buddha worship… Varahapurana even states that one desirous of beauty should worship buddha…
* i'm thinking that in cases how idolatry is prohibited in Christianity but is blatantly done in catholicism, the same manner how buddha claims to reject worship yet many stubborn people still do… 🙂
Buddhists don't worship Buddha. It's really that simple. When they bow or hold incense to a Buddha statue, its more of a sign of respect and deference. Kinda like when soldiers salute the flag or the President. They're not worshipping the President, they're showing their respect, as well as adhering to protocol.
Originally posted by peejayd
* yup, however when you light a candle for a buddha statue, you cannot deny that what you did is an act of worship even if your heart is not in it… and, why light a candle for a buddha statue if don't worship it? I just don't get it… I mean, the mere act of worship constitutes worship, right? so if you don't worship buddha, why bother to light a candle for his statue? your belief manifests through your actions… you say you don't worship buddha so I believe you also don't light a candle for a buddha statue, am I correct?...
I do not have a Buddha statue, and Jesus pointed out that if you think a sin, you have committed that sin. To me, that means sin is in the heart and not in the actions. The heart always leads.
If you do not understand why someone is doing something, do you have enough information to judge them?
A candle is a symbol of the transient nature of life.
Another point: you cannot make a generalization about Buddhism, just like you cannot make a generalization about Christianity. The reason for this is because there are so many diverse schools/denominations in both religions, that if you make a generalization, there will always be an exception.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Buddhists don't worship Buddha. It's really that simple. When they bow or hold incense to a Buddha statue, its more of a sign of respect and deference. Kinda like when soldiers salute the flag or the President. They're not worshipping the President, they're showing their respect, as well as adhering to protocol.
* you're in a state of denial…
Originally posted by peejayd
* but you have to admit, many people do worship Buddha...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There are many who do.
* my buddhist friend here already admitted many people worship buddha…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I do not have a Buddha statue, and Jesus pointed out that if you think a sin, you have committed that sin. To me, that means sin is in the heart and not in the actions. The heart always leads.If you do not understand why someone is doing something, do you have enough information to judge them?
* true, Jesus said that even if you haven't literally killed anyone but have anger in your heart against a brother without any cause, you are already committing a sin as if you have killed a person… true, the heart always leads… so if a person already murdered another person, where is the part I do not understand? what we all need to know is that the action is the manifestation of what is in the heart of a person…
* same goes with worshipping… if you are doing an act of worship, then it is close to impossible that you are not in a state of worshipping in your heart… the mere fact you are doing an act of worship, it obviously means it is your heart that leads you and it manifests through your actions…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A candle is a symbol of the transient nature of life.
* even in the Bible, a candle is most often portrayed as a symbolism…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Another point: you cannot make a generalization about Buddhism, just like you cannot make a generalization about Christianity. The reason for this is because there are so many diverse schools/denominations in both religions, that if you make a generalization, there will always be an exception.
* I don't see it that way… I know there is a sole basis in buddhism -> the doctrine of siddharta gautama, right? if he says buddhists should not worship him, then that's final, don't worship him... but why are there many people still worship buddha? because they are stubborn and do not listen to the doctrine of buddha, right?
* same goes with Christianity, there is a sole basis for Christianity -> the doctrine of Jesus Christ… even from OT to NT, it is very apparent that idolatry is prohibited, yet there are many sects who are still practicing idolatry… why? because they are stubborn and do not listen to the doctrine of Jesus Christ… hope you got my point… 😉