Originally posted by peejayd
* you're in a state of denial…
How? Quote the Buddhist script that says to worship Buddha. I've read the Visuddhimagga, and I own a copy of the Lotus Sutra. So where does it say to worship him?
I think your definition of "worship" is too loose. Buddhists don't ask Buddha for rain or thank him for their creation.
Originally posted by peejayd
* my buddhist friend here already admitted many people worship buddha…
I do not know how people worship Buddha. I simply know human nature. We like to make heroes out of our teachers. This is the same thing that happened to Jesus, but he forgot to tell his followers to not worship him. Can you imagine what Buddhism would be like if Buddha had also forgotten?
Originally posted by peejayd
* true, Jesus said that even if you haven't literally killed anyone but have anger in your heart against a brother without any cause, you are already committing a sin as if you have killed a person… true, the heart always leads… so if a person already murdered another person, where is the part I do not understand? what we all need to know is that the action is the manifestation of what is in the heart of a person…* same goes with worshipping… if you are doing an act of worship, then it is close to impossible that you are not in a state of worshipping in your heart… the mere fact you are doing an act of worship, it obviously means it is your heart that leads you and it manifests through your actions…
As far as your murder example: The word murder is getting in the way. If you think to kill someone you have already sinned, but if you kill someone by accident or in self defense, you have not sinned. The difference is intent.
If I gave you a biofeedback machine, and you hooked it up and found that it worked to relax you, would you stop using it if a superstitious friend thought the device was evil?
Originally posted by peejayd
* even in the Bible, a candle is most often portrayed as a symbolism…* I don't see it that way… I know there is a sole basis in buddhism -> the doctrine of siddharta gautama, right? if he says buddhists should not worship him, then that's final, don't worship him... but why are there many people still worship buddha? because they are stubborn and do not listen to the doctrine of buddha, right?
* same goes with Christianity, there is a sole basis for Christianity -> the doctrine of Jesus Christ… even from OT to NT, it is very apparent that idolatry is prohibited, yet there are many sects who are still practicing idolatry… why? because they are stubborn and do not listen to the doctrine of Jesus Christ… hope you got my point… 😉
I don’t think it is that simple.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
How? Quote the Buddhist script that says to worship Buddha. I've read the Visuddhimagga, and I own a copy of the Lotus Sutra. So where does it say to worship him?I think your definition of "worship" is too loose. Buddhists don't ask Buddha for rain or thank him for their creation.
* read mr.shakyamunison's posts, my friend… he is a buddhist and he already admitted many other people worship buddha… my definition? no, the word itself "worship" is really broad… your example is "praying" (for rain) and "thanksgiving", both of which are under the category of worship… praying is a part of worship, thanksgiving is a part of worship… but worship is not only those two… one example given in this conversation is lighting a candle or incense… it is an act of worship… that is not giving respect, that is an act of worship…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I do not know how people worship Buddha. I simply know human nature. We like to make heroes out of our teachers. This is the same thing that happened to Jesus, but he forgot to tell his followers to not worship him. Can you imagine what Buddhism would be like if Buddha had also forgotten?
* I can't say there is a parallelism in that aspect, my friend… because in Christianity, Jesus Christ accepts worship because He should be worshipped, He is the Only Begotten Son of God… the Bible commanded the Christians to worship both the Father and the Son…
* a parallelism will occur on the apostles, and of course, Mary… the apostles (and also Mary) clearly rejects worship… it is recorded in the Scriptures that Saint Peter, Saint Paul, Saint Barnabas, heck even an angel of God rejects worship… but even so, we see many people still worship the apostles especially Mary…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
As far as your murder example: The word murder is getting in the way. If you think to kill someone you have already sinned, but if you kill someone by accident or in self defense, you have not sinned. The difference is intent.If I gave you a biofeedback machine, and you hooked it up and found that it worked to relax you, would you stop using it if a superstitious friend thought the device was evil?
I don’t think it is that simple.
* agreed! that was the "gray lines" though… you cannot apply that in worship… what I mean was, you cannot worship or not worship something (someone) accidentally or as if you're not in your normal state of mind… when you see someone doing an act of worship, how can you tell that he is worshipping or not worshipping in his heart?
* back in the example, by bowing or holding incense to a Buddha statue is not comparable to soldiers saluting the flag or the president, just like what mr.quiero mota had said… everything is different when there is a religious color… buddha is a religious figure, while the flag or the president are not…
Originally posted by peejayd
* read mr.shakyamunison's posts, my friend… he is a buddhist and he already admitted many other people worship buddha… my definition? no, the word itself "worship" is really broad… your example is "praying" (for rain) and "thanksgiving", both of which are under the category of worship… praying is a part of worship, thanksgiving is a part of worship… but worship is not only those two… one example given in this conversation is lighting a candle or incense… it is an act of worship… that is not giving respect, that is an act of worship…
It is not really good to use me as a reference for this kind of information. I really only know the Buddhism I practice. I could simply be misunderstanding what other people believe.
Originally posted by peejayd
* I can't say there is a parallelism in that aspect, my friend… because in Christianity, Jesus Christ accepts worship because He should be worshipped, He is the Only Begotten Son of God… the Bible commanded the Christians to worship both the Father and the Son…
I’m sure if asked, those who worship Buddha as a god would say something in the same line of thought as you have
Originally posted by peejayd
* a parallelism will occur on the apostles, and of course, Mary… the apostles (and also Mary) clearly rejects worship… it is recorded in the Scriptures that Saint Peter, Saint Paul, Saint Barnabas, heck even an angel of God rejects worship… but even so, we see many people still worship the apostles especially Mary…
Buddha also had his followers.
Originally posted by peejayd
* agreed! that was the "gray lines" though… you cannot apply that in worship… what I mean was, you cannot worship or not worship something (someone) accidentally or as if you're not in your normal state of mind… when you see someone doing an act of worship, how can you tell that he is worshipping or not worshipping in his heart?
But someone else can think you are worshiping when you are not. The misunderstanding is in their minds.
Originally posted by peejayd
* back in the example, by bowing or holding incense to a Buddha statue is not comparable to soldiers saluting the flag or the president, just like what mr.quiero mota had said… everything is different when there is a religious color… buddha is a religious figure, while the flag or the president are not…
It is different then that. Also, I do not have a statue of Buddha.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is not really good to use me as a reference for this kind of information. I really only know the Buddhism I practice. I could simply be misunderstanding what other people believe.
* you are a buddhist. and you said many people worship buddha. that is a pretty credible statement when it comes straight from the horse's mouth… just don't take it the wrong way… peace! 😛
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I’m sure if asked, those who worship Buddha as a god would say something in the same line of thought as you have
* most probably… but go down to the roots -> basis of faith -> doctrine of buddha says people should not worship him, so worshipping him is a no-no…
* same as Christianity -> roots -> basis of faith -> Bible says idolatry is prohibited, so worshipping the apostles especially Mary is a no-no…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Buddha also had his followers.
* depends on what followers? good followers of buddha will obey his doctrine of not worshipping him, like you… bad followers are fanatics who worship buddha even if he himself said they should not…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But someone else can think you are worshiping when you are not. The misunderstanding is in their minds.
* identify the problem -> go back to the roots -> basis of faith -> then we can manage to discern who's doing wrong… right? 😛
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is different then that.
* it might… it might not…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Also, I do not have a statue of Buddha.
* it is just an example… 🙂
Originally posted by peejayd
* you are a buddhist. and you said many people worship buddha. that is a pretty credible statement when it comes straight from the horse's mouth… just don't take it the wrong way… peace! 😛
If I was a typical Buddhist, why do I not have a statue of Buddha? I have read about different schools of Buddhism that believe that Buddha is divine, but I live in the US, and most of these Buddhists live in Asia. I don’t personally know any Buddhists who believe this way, so don’t use me as a resource.
Originally posted by peejayd
* most probably… but go down to the roots -> basis of faith -> doctrine of buddha says people should not worship him, so worshipping him is a no-no…* same as Christianity -> roots -> basis of faith -> Bible says idolatry is prohibited, so worshipping the apostles especially Mary is a no-no…
The teaching of jesus were very small, but the teachings of Buddha were large in volume. Many schools of Buddhism use only a small number of books out of thousands. So, it could be argued that the book where Buddha said not to worship him is not followed by those people.
Originally posted by peejayd
* depends on what followers? good followers of buddha will obey his doctrine of not worshipping him, like you… bad followers are fanatics who worship buddha even if he himself said they should not…
I was talking about disciples.
Originally posted by peejayd
* identify the problem -> go back to the roots -> basis of faith -> then we can manage to discern who's doing wrong… right? 😛
If you think I am doing something, does that change what I am doing? If I was emptying an ashtray and you saw me, does that mean I was smoking?
Originally posted by peejayd
* it might… it might not…* it is just an example… 🙂
Like most things in life, there is more too the practice of Buddhism then most people realize.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If I was a typical Buddhist, why do I not have a statue of Buddha?
* so you practice buddhism personally, but not in a religious way? and besides that practice, you actually had no religious affiliation? am I right? okay… my bad…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have read about different schools of Buddhism that believe that Buddha is divine, but I live in the US, and most of these Buddhists live in Asia. I don’t personally know any Buddhists who believe this way, so don’t use me as a resource.
* "supreme being" in buddhism is often entangled with hinduism's like Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, however buddhism is more focused in attaining "nirvana" and believing in a supreme being hinders nirvana, so I've heard… buddhism obviously rejects the belief in Creation and a supreme being, so it is actually absurd for buddhists to see buddha as a god…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The teaching of jesus were very small, but the teachings of Buddha were large in volume. Many schools of Buddhism use only a small number of books out of thousands. So, it could be argued that the book where Buddha said not to worship him is not followed by those people.
* nope, the teachings of Jesus are short (in span of time), but very broad… the funny part is, in the Catholic Council of Nicaea, because of lack of spiritual discernment, the council resorted to voting the divinity of Jesus… the basis was vote, not through the Scriptures…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was talking about disciples.
* I was lost back there… 😛
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you think I am doing something, does that change what I am doing? If I was emptying an ashtray and you saw me, does that mean I was smoking?
* there's a 50% chance that you are, and another 50% that you are not… but that is not the issue, right? if your breath smells like a cigarette, you might as well be smoking, still unsure… but if you are caught red-handed, you can't really deny you are smoking…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Like most things in life, there is more too the practice of Buddhism then most people realize.
* same in Christianity…
Originally posted by King Castle
is it a sin to be transformed into a were wolf or vampire or want to live longer?what if it is against your will?
* is this a joke? 😛
* anything beyond our control is not imputed as sin…
Originally posted by King Castle
want to live longer?
* not necessarily a sin… it depends on your intentions… Biblically speaking, here's a tip for longer lifespan:
"The fear of the Lord prolongs life, but the years of the wicked will be short."
Proverbs 10:27
Originally posted by King Castle
how old do you need to be for you boy or girl to have sex or be wed?
* not specified, but here's what the Bible has to say in I Corinthians 7:36…
"But if any man thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of youth, and thus it must be, let him do what he wishes. He does not sin; let them marry."
New King James Version
"And if any one doth think [it] to be unseemly to his virgin, if she may be beyond the bloom of age, and it ought so to be, what he willeth let him do; he doth not sin -- let him marry.
Young's Literal Translation
* for me, implies that a boy or a girl should be at least mature enough and at the right age… thus the phrase "past the flower of youth" or "beyond the bloom of age"… the "flower" may be interpreted as the "peak", so it's beyond or past the peak of the youthful age of a person… it denotes the maturity of a person, if the person is already responsible enough…
Originally posted by peejayd
* so you practice buddhism personally, but not in a religious way? and besides that practice, you actually had no religious affiliation? am I right? okay… my bad…
So, just because I tell you that I do not have a statue of Buddha, you conclude I am not a Buddhist? That would be like me saying that you are not a Christian because you do not have a rosary. Not all Buddhist pray to a statue of Buddha, just like some Christians do not use rosary.
Originally posted by peejayd
* "supreme being" in buddhism is often entangled with hinduism's like Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, however buddhism is more focused in attaining "nirvana" and believing in a supreme being hinders nirvana, so I've heard… buddhism obviously rejects the belief in Creation and a supreme being, so it is actually absurd for buddhists to see buddha as a god…
I don’t think the word reject is accurate. It is more like we don’t care about those kinds of questions. Seeking answers to questions about creation or a supreme being does not lead to nirvana. We spend out time improving our life.
Originally posted by peejayd
* nope, the teachings of Jesus are short (in span of time), but very broad… the funny part is, in the Catholic Council of Nicaea, because of lack of spiritual discernment, the council resorted to voting the divinity of Jesus… the basis was vote, not through the Scriptures…
That is one of the reasons I do not believe Jesse was divine.
Originally posted by peejayd
* I was lost back there… 😛
Okay.
Originally posted by peejayd
* there's a 50% chance that you are, and another 50% that you are not… but that is not the issue, right? if your breath smells like a cigarette, you might as well be smoking, still unsure… but if you are caught red-handed, you can't really deny you are smoking…
My point is: Buddhist (the form of Buddhism I follow) do not worship, but you would think we do. This is because you do not understand what we are doing. This lack of knowledge, on your part, leads you to a false conclusion.
Originally posted by peejayd
* same in Christianity…
Then you should not over simplify other people’s religions.
pretty sad that the bible is so mistranslated and ppl still adhere to the idea that it is not.
the: Thou shall not allow a witch to live is so skewed from its original text that it has ppl thinking all witches are bad and should be killed.
sad that the original hebrew scripture text does not say that but, its cool ignorant ppl still think their latin/english bibles are a 100% accurate from the original text otherwise the church would have said something years ago..
🙄 😇
In the original Hebrew manuscript, the author used the word m'khashepah to describe the person who should be killed. The word means a woman who uses spoken spells to harm others - e.g. causing their death or loss of property. Clearly "evil sorceress" or "woman who does evil magic" would be the most accurate phrases in today's English usage for this verse.
i take the latin/english bible with a grain of salt.. i had to after taking my religious classes and having to learn what the original text stated and what the modern one says...
pretty easy to see the difference side by side and your professor's aid is Arabic reading to you in the original language and translating it in english exactly giving you context of the word in his language and culture.
just how something that may be funny in spanish and can be said in 2 or 3 words loses its meaning in english and or becomes in insulting requiring a full sentence to express teh same idea.